Looking at Metabo grinders, what to pick?

[carbon]

The one I want is the compact WEPBA14-125 Quick 5-Inch 12.2-Amp. Except with a lock-on option. Maybe they sell models like that outside of the USA.

 

[Monte]

I did have 2 but gave my old bosch away

one is enough for DIY use i think, more are luxury....

Monte to the rescue?

it seems the paddle switch grinders have a deadman switch...Looked at the german site but they say if you release the switch the tool stops....

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@ Monte, what brand is the blue and red one?

"Suhner"
www.suhner-abrasive-expert.com
It´s an older "Suhner UWF 10" 125mm angle grinder.

here are some more pics:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28952&highlight=610n&page=427

 

[RBailey]

Bit heavy if using it single handed (which I shouldn't do) but doesn't get burnt out by being abused.

I may need another one (or 6) to get the required minimum of 8.

 

[Vinko]

There was a great thread that Monte contributed to a while back (c. 2009 or 10 I think) where he listed a bunch of German companies (some of which had a small presence in the US) that made grinders. I followed some leads out and got some good deals because the names were unfamiliar on ebay. I suppose those days are over.

I've got the Metabo W7 and W8 4-1/2" grinders and I'm currently looking for a 7" to replace an old Makita.

Anyone have a favorite Metabo 7" model? The W24-180 on Amazon. for $209 looks OK.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005G13QO0/?tag=atomicindus08-20


PS. Amazon appears to still do the old inflated retail price trick, since CPO Metabo is listing the retail list price at well below the $400+ that amazon claims for these things.

 

[Monte]

I don´t have a 7" Metabo but the model you choosed should be nice with 2400 Watt power and the price is good too for a "fully loaded" grinder with all options like anti vibration handle etc. and made in Germany too

 

[Vinko]

I don´t have a 7" Metabo but the model you choosed should be nice with 2400 Watt power and the price is good too for a "fully loaded" grinder with all options like anti vibration handle etc. and made in Germany too

Yep it does look good. Everyone in the shop wants to use the Metabo because it's a lot easier on the arms and wrists than the Makita and old Milkwaukee. Also the old Atlas grinders too.

There's a 2100 watt 7" Metabo that I think they used to make that's a little less money on the used market. But I may go with the W-24 if I don't hear from anyone else.

By the way, anyone ever use the Hilti and Bosch (Euro made models) and how do they compare to the Metabo? Esp. for weight and vibration?

Speaking of comparisons, I did a post on the Hilti and Bosch jigsaws a few years ago. (Never tried the Metabo) and the Hilti jigsaw made in Lichenstein is the best I've ever used. (Haven't tried a Festool though...)

 

[HTGTS350]

Ive got a 5 and a 9 and have had them for a few years, before the Metabo a 5 wouldn't last me a year and I have always had professional heavy duty 5s. Another feature I like is the long lead, saves using an extension cord at times.

 

[Monte]

There's a 2100 watt 7" Metabo that I think they used to make that's a little less money on the used market. But I may go with the W-24 if I don't hear from anyone else.

The cheaper large Metabo (W2000 ?) has no extras (if you want that ) , no anti vib handles, no "Marathon" motor (no dust protection etc.) , less torque, no toolless adjustable guard ....

By the way, anyone ever use the Hilti and Bosch (Euro made models) and how do they compare to the Metabo? Esp. for weight and vibration?

The Hilti DAG 700-P sold in the US is a rebadged Makita...... It doesn´t come with a anti vibration main handle nor anti vib side handle....
The Hilti DCG 700-P is a rebadged Bosch...
The comparable Bosch model would be # 1974-8.
The weight data i can find in the internet is sometimes different for the same model depending if i look at the US or german specifications..... so i would check that out in a store since it´s also a subjective feeling if something is heavy or not. However it´s possible that the Bosch is the lightest since the other tools usually are around 12.x pounds while the Bosch weight is 11.4 pound.

The large angle grinders with double vibration protection usually have a vibration listed with around 5 m/s². Metabos are listed with 4.8 m/s², Bosch 4.5 m/s², Hilti ??...
For comparison Fein is listed with 6 m/s² without vibration protection at all and Metabos without anti vibration main handle are listed with 7 m/s².
However the lowest vibration have the tools with a "Autobalancer" anti vibration feature like from Metabo with 2.7 m/s² (not available in USA)

Speaking of comparisons, I did a post on the Hilti and Bosch jigsaws a few years ago. (Never tried the Metabo) and the Hilti jigsaw made in Lichenstein is the best I've ever used. (Haven't tried a Festool though...)

The Festool, Mafell and Fein jigsaws are good too i was told

 

[durallymax]

Wanna ship me a 5 with the auto balance haha?

 

[Monte]

Wanna ship me a 5 with the auto balance haha?

5" with Autobalancer from Metabo ?
Available...:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005G10L2A/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[durallymax]

The only thing I wonder about is the product description. Haha.


Product Features

Combination bowl and tank less seat
Oversized 3-Inch flush valve
Fully glazed 2-1/8-Inch trap way
Vitreous china construction
High efficiency, ultra-low consumption 128 gpf toilet




Do they make one with the locking switch and autobalance?

 

[Monte]

The only thing I wonder about is the product description. Haha.


Product Features

Combination bowl and tank less seat
Oversized 3-Inch flush valve
Fully glazed 2-1/8-Inch trap way
Vitreous china construction
High efficiency, ultra-low consumption 128 gpf toilet




Do they make one with the locking switch and autobalance?

yeah maybe you receive a toilet or a grinder 50/50 chance


This one has Autobalancer + normal switch:
http://www.metabo.us/Product-catalog-handheld-powertools.23980+M59b7c238495.0.html

The other models have a deadman safety switch
http://cdn.metabo.com/up/media/WEPBA_Brochure_US913.pdf

 

[durallymax]

I think if I could get the following grinder with the normal switch It would be the cats meow

http://www.metabo.us/Product-catalog-handheld-powertools.23980+M53b453f0a03.0.html

1400 watt, soft start, restart protection, autobalancer, disc brake, quick change.

Wish they offered the 5/6" model with the lock on switch. Since we already have a 4.5" model it would be nice to have the 6" as an inbetween for when you don't need the big clunky 9" but need more than the 4.5". The 5/6" model only weighs 6lbs where the 9" we have is 14". Holding that thing out of position all day can get old.

I see some have lights for the motor temp as well?

It doesn't appear they offer any normal switches with the disc brake. Wonder if it is due to what appears to be the brakes location.

Either way, they still have one of the largest grinder lineups I've seen. They need a "build-your-own" page like the automakers have for cars.

Do you know of anyone running their cordless 4ah grinder? Seems pricey, but the specs look nice.

 

[Monte]

yeah that would be the ultimate grinder (if they add speed dial too)... maybe one day they make them if enough customers demand them...

the light is for the restart protection and motor temp/overload protection.

i think it has something to do with the "safety" aspect, a "Quick Protect" deadman switch combined with a brake, if you release the switch then the tool stops in 1 - 2 seconds, in case of a deadman switch without brake the tool still runs for several seconds so it´s not really that much added safety compared to the deadman switch with brake. Fein does something similar with their "safety" grinders and the "Tip Start" deadman (can be locked though) switch also with "EBS" electric brake system and "Auto Stop" feature (electronic "clutch")

There is a member on GJ from the Phillipines who has a Metabo grinder but with 3 AH iirc.....
but with the new 5.2 AH batteries it´s probably one of the best grinders out there (Made in Germany ), at least it will be the longest running one

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[Monte]

6" with Lock-On paddle switch ?? They don´t ...
6" with Lock-On normal switch ?? yes
they have 2 models:

http://www.metabo.us/Product-catalogue-Metabo-Metal-hand-held-power-tools.36360+M525eb225d44.0.html

http://www.metabo.us/Product-catalogue-Metabo-Metal-hand-held-power-tools.36360+M5768847fca9.0.html


this would be another option:
http://www.metabo.us/Product-catalogue-Metabo-Metal-hand-held-power-tools.36360+M5d6a97b2313.0.html


In germany and other countries they also offer these intermediate size grinders with 3,8/3,9 kilo weight and 1700 Watt in 6" and 7"

 

[durallymax]

6" with Lock-On paddle switch ?? They don´t ...
6" with Lock-On normal switch ?? yes
they have 2 models:

I meant one with the autobalancer.

Looks like you found one with the brake and regular switch though.

 

[dkroth]

Recent price drop to $90.11 on the W8-115 4.5" grinder.

http://www.amazon.com/Metabo-W8-115-2-Inch-Angle-Grinder/dp/B001CSEJLA?SubscriptionId=AKIAJ7T5BOVUVRD2EFYQ&tag=camels-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B001CSEJLA

 

[G-force]

Recent price drop to $90.11 on the W8-115 4.5" grinder.

http://www.amazon.com/Metabo-W8-115-2-Inch-Angle-Grinder/dp/B001CSEJLA?SubscriptionId=AKIAJ7T5BOVUVRD2EFYQ&tag=camels-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B001CSEJLA

That's a great price.

One word on the "quick" models. I've been using one for years and here is a trick that took me awhile to figure out. When changing wheels, getting the "quick nut" to release the disc is not always as easy as in those videos, especially with heavy gloves on. It can get locked on there pretty tight, but here is the trick. To break it loose, don't use the "quick nut", use the disk itself and it will break loose very easy. From there the nut will spin right off. This method makes it much easier as that nut can get pretty tight from the force of spinning, and being so small and partially recessed, can be a tough little ****** to get loose.

 

[durallymax]

That's a great price.

One word on the "quick" models. I've been using one for years and here is a trick that took me awhile to figure out. When changing wheels, getting the "quick nut" to release the disc is not always as easy as in those videos, especially with heavy gloves on. It can get locked on there pretty tight, but here is the trick. To break it loose, don't use the "quick nut", use the disk itself and it will break loose very easy. From there the nut will spin right off. This method makes it much easier as that nut can get pretty tight from the force of spinning, and being so small and partially recessed, can be a tough little ****** to get loose.

x2. I used that method back when we had DeWalts as well.

To break it loose though you can just hit the lock button while it is still spinning. It will jar it enough usually to let you spin it off easily. I didn't know they wanted it done that way until I watched a video on them awhile back.

 

[Monte]

Recent price drop to $90.11 on the W8-115 4.5" grinder.

http://www.amazon.com/Metabo-W8-115-2-Inch-Angle-Grinder/dp/B001CSEJLA?SubscriptionId=AKIAJ7T5BOVUVRD2EFYQ&tag=camels-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B001CSEJLA

wow that´s really a good price for a german made Metabo

 

[Yetihunter]

That's the one I got just about two months ago to replace the bosch I returned after finding out it was not the bosch I was trying to replace anymore. It's top notch and...mine's German.

 

[Mohawk Dave]

Picked these up from CL. 3 for $100.

2 WP 8-115 QuickProtect
1 WP 11-150 QuickProtect

1 Metabo grinding wheel and 2 Weiler USA Made knotted wire wheels.

All have 150mm guards. The 6" has a Milwaukee handle.

These are NICE! But they are larger than my Makita 4.5"ers. So I just grab whichever one I need.

 

[Monte]

good deal !

 

[durallymax]

Got a good deal today. Went in to buy 200 more slicer discs and the welding supply store had a special, buy 400 slicers, get a 4.0ah Metabo Grinder with 3 batteries, charger, bag and sample of their combinator wheels (cutting and light grinding free. Yes free. So you can guess what I did haha. Can't wait to try this thing out. I see they have a 5.2ah one now so maybe they are trying to clean out old stock? It appeared to be a Metabo special as it was all boxed up professionally by Metabo and labeled as the special.

 

[Monte]

another good deal !!

 

[Mohawk Dave]

UPDATE: I've been doing a lot of metal work the last few weeks. And the Metabos are SWEET.

However, I was cleaning some yard tools, shovels etc, and picked up one of my little Makita 4.5 that I've been neglecting, and I'll tell you what. It is much lighter and easier to use for extended periods of time one-handed. It's not as powerful, but in the event you do not need the big dog power, the Makita is very nice to use. It comes down to using the right tool for the right job, but alas, do not let a nice Metabo discourage you from picking up a cheapo Makita from a yard sale/swapmeet/CL. They are very handy and having both Makitas and Metabos is very practical.

 

[WilltheEngineer]

add another one for a surface conditioning disc

Been doing some grinder research, and just wondering what RPM & amps are suggested for each of those?

Learning, thanks for any information...

 

[Monte]

Been doing some grinder research, and just wondering what RPM & amps are suggested for each of those?

Learning, thanks for any information...

3M for example recommends to use their discs with 2/3 of the maximum RPM (10.000) so thats about 6600 RPM. This tool for example would be ideal: http://www.flexnorthamerica.com/products/L1506VR.php or this: http://www.flexnorthamerica.com/products/L3406VRG.php or this: http://www.metabo.us/Product-catalog-handheld-powertools.23980+M58e65c758a9.0.html or this: http://www.feinus.com/en_us/grinding/compact-angle-grinders/wsg-15-70-inox-0303415/