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Well, i plan on building a floating deck (tired of looking at the cracked concrete at our patio).

This miter saw will be used hard over the next couple of years due to the fact for re-modeling another house in Germany (i know different voltage, but i sorted this one out already).

Wish list:

Sliding compound miter saw probably 12".

i tend toward the Bosch 5312 or the GCM12SD, the difference is, one got the straight slides, the other one the bevel slides.

On the other hand, for example Hitachi 12" sliding compound saws could be have for almost half the price and theoretically they can do the same job.

Then the next question, would you consider buying a used one good condition, gently used?

...and next question, how about a stand, two choices: home made or buying a special stand ?



Anyone here with experience on miter saws (deck building)....(guess that's a stupid question anyway, i am posting on GJ.... of course there are professionals for any trade ....:lol_hitti) ?
 
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I have the Ridgid 12" with bevel both ways. I also have the Ridgid cart. Buying the better saw will never be a mistake. You will have it for life and it is so nice making accurate cuts. This is the only cart I have used and it is ok. I suspect the later models had a better set of extensions but these are not that bad, just room for improvement.
 

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I've used most and like the Dewalts with preference to the 10" slider over the 12"..mainly because of the weight difference. Ours gets moved around..a lot. Unless you really see a need for it..whatever brand you get...as long as it tilts in either direction... I'd go with a 10". Might not be a factor in terms of HO use..but the blades will be cheaper too.
 

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I own the Bosch GCM12SD. It is a wonderful saw, very smooth and with a Forrest blade it cuts like a hot knife through butter from every wood I've thrown at it. Ipe, purpleheart, persimmon, walnut, oak and many other hardwoods all feel like pine when I cut the on the saw. It is heavy and awkward to carry without a stand. I almost bought the Hitachi but got a great deal on the GCM12SD. Either one is good.
 

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I have a 10" Makita that I take to remodel job sites, and also use in my shop. It must be going on 15 years old. Great saw and came with a better than most stock blade. I don't think that Makita has kept up with other manufacturers, however and when I get a 12 inch saw for my shop it's going to be a Bosch. Which will be either the 5312 or the GCM12SD. That's the plan as of right now. I will be buying a Festool track saw tomorrow and may like it so much that I get the Kapex instead, but that is a huge investment.

I guess it comes down to if it has to be moved a lot then weight is an issue and you should go with a 10" saw like the Bosch 4310. If you are going to be doing mostly rough work then a cheaper saw is in order. If you need fine cuts, and weight isn't an issue then either of the Bosch saws should do fine. I would not consider a used saw if you will be using it a lot. For a single job or occasional use then yes, but not for what you described. If you do get a used saw then you should look to invest in a good blade or two. I use Forrest blades in both my cabinet table saw and miter saw. Great blades but very pricey. For that matter for fine miter cuts you should look to get a better blade than what comes with a saw regardless.
 

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Well, i plan on building a floating deck (tired of looking at the cracked concrete at our patio).

This miter saw will be used hard over the next couple of years due to the fact for re-modeling another house in Germany (i know different voltage, but i sorted this one out already).

Wish list:

Sliding compound miter saw probably 12".

i tend toward the Bosch 5312 or the GCM12SD, the difference is, one got the straight slides, the other one the bevel slides.

On the other hand, for example Hitachi 12" sliding compound saws could be have for almost half the price and theoretically they can do the same job.

Then the next question, would you consider buying a used one good condition, gently used?

...and next question, how about a stand, two choices: home made or buying a special stand ?



Anyone here with experience on miter saws (deck building)....(guess that's a stupid question anyway, i am posting on GJ.... of course there are professionals for any trade ....:lol_hitti) ?


Apologizes for not reading your thread completely. :lol_hitti


Still like the Dewalt if buying new..but wouldn't pass on an lightly used older Hitachi. New or used? You can drop one of these things and while it might not show any damage...it could throw it out of wack and make it next to impossible to true up. Unless you can really trust the previous owner being honest...I'd pass on used.

We've always used homemade stands...not that difficult to build one..but if you want to spend the money go for it. Actually HD often runs deals where they throw a stand in for free..


As to the deck...You say "floating deck"? Not sure what you mean. I hope you don't mean sitting on the current patio. The spacing on the framing will depend on the decking material used. We'll frame 12", sometimes even 10" on center for composites. Whatever you decide to use consider picture framing out the deck surface with 1 or 2 widths of material..It' will take a little more time and extra blocking, but gives a much nicer finished look. Leave a good gap between boards..nothing worst than a deck surface that closes up....it terms of looks and being able to ventilate. Are you planning on putting a railing around it?..
 

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During my 29 years as a finish carpenter I have owned or used almost every brand and model available. I currently own three different Dewalt saws (10" compound, 12" double compound, 12" double compound slide) and my answer to everyone who asks the same question you have .... Dewalt DW717. I have seen them on craigslist in very good condition for around $300. A lot of guys have been leaving the trades in recent years.
 

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If you buy used cut a 45 then put the two halfs together and check with a square. This way you will double any amount it is out. I used to hate anything more than basic framing until getting a good saw.
 
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Apologizes for not reading your thread completely. :lol_hitti


Still like the Dewalt if buying new..but wouldn't pass on an lightly used older Hitachi. New or used? You can drop one of these things and while it might not show any damage...it could throw it out of wack and make it next to impossible to true up. Unless you can really trust the previous owner being honest...I'd pass on used.

We've always used homemade stands...not that difficult to build one..but if you want to spend the money go for it. Actually HD often runs deals where they throw a stand in for free..


As to the deck...You say "floating deck"? Not sure what you mean. I hope you don't mean sitting on the current patio. The spacing on the framing will depend on the decking material used. We'll frame 12", sometimes even 10" on center for composites. Whatever you decide to use consider picture framing out the deck surface with 1 or 2 widths of material..It' will take a little more time and extra blocking, but gives a much nicer finished look. Leave a good gap between boards..nothing worst than a deck surface that closes up....it terms of looks and being able to ventilate. Are you planning on putting a railing around it?..


No need to apologize, i appreciate any input on this matter, and you guys are great.

The more i think about it, i come back to the "you get what you pay for" matter and i like the Bosch miter saws (as far as i played around with them at the hardware stores and researched the reviews on the internet, but your opinions are the most important ones)

i DO think about putting the deck above the existing concrete patio with some spacers for water drainage.

I would think about putting a complete frame structure underneath it and cover the deck. Then i would like to build a pergola with a swing on one end and a bench /seating on the other corner to make it more appealing to the eye (not just a flat boring deck).

I am guessing material costs around 2k. (20 x 22 ft.)

No railing.
 
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During my 29 years as a finish carpenter I have owned or used almost every brand and model available. I currently own three different Dewalt saws (10" compound, 12" double compound, 12" double compound slide) and my answer to everyone who asks the same question you have .... Dewalt DW717. I have seen them on craigslist in very good condition for around $300. A lot of guys have been leaving the trades in recent years.

So, here, locally i could have a Bosch 5312 used but "un-used" for about 350$, would you still consider the Dewalt DW717 ?


Is the Quality and durability comparable ?
 
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I own the Bosch GCM12SD. It is a wonderful saw, very smooth and with a Forrest blade it cuts like a hot knife through butter from every wood I've thrown at it. Ipe, purpleheart, persimmon, walnut, oak and many other hardwoods all feel like pine when I cut the on the saw. It is heavy and awkward to carry without a stand. I almost bought the Hitachi but got a great deal on the GCM12SD. Either one is good.

May i ask what a "great deal" is considered on a Bosch GCM12SD ?
 

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Is the dewalt still on sale at lowes? It was buy the saw get the stand free.
 

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Festool Kapex- pricey, but worth it, especially if you need to cut inside the house.
 

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Is the dewalt still on sale at lowes? It was buy the saw get the stand free.


I was at Lowes yesterday and it was still there. Really good deal on a great saw and stand.

I was staring at it and my wife gave me "that look". She knows I already have 3 miter saws.

But I'm still thinking about it.
 

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You guys have an opinion on the new Milwaukee 6950-20 or 6955-20 ?

I love my 6955-20
Tons of power, smooth start, excellent dust bag system and the micro adjusting digital miter readout is spot on. I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

HD has them on in Canada with a free Milwaukee stand too... I bought mine well before that promotion so I have a King stand. Works well but I think the Milwaukee stand is the way to go.
 

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I've got a 10" double mitre (non-sliding) rigid that I use mostly, and a 12" sliding dewalt that is no longer true and only use to make straight cuts on beams or 4x6 or bigger.

I have a makita circular that I use to miter 2x6 or bigger and use speed square as a guide.

As far as stand, hell I just use a plastic lifetime table as it gives more room to set stuff on and is light enough.

Less moving parts seem better esp. if this dude will be trucked around. Common problem to bounce out of true and toting that big dewalt is more than I care for these days (heavy).

I prefer a 10" saw and most the major brands are decent enough (no CM, HF, or other BS though..........).

I use an 80 tooth freud diablo blade that delivers clean cuts, and 40 tooth on circular.

Crown out, cup up for wood deck. The fastener industry has caught up w/ the post 2003 pressure treated wood.
 

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I have a Dewalt 12" and a Kobalt 10".

Dewalt is great. The Kobalt has a little trouble sliding.
 
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You guys have an opinion on the new Milwaukee 6950-20 or 6955-20 ?

I love my 6955-20
Tons of power, smooth start, excellent dust bag system and the micro adjusting digital miter readout is spot on. I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

HD has them on in Canada with a free Milwaukee stand too... I bought mine well before that promotion so I have a King stand. Works well but I think the Milwaukee stand is the way to go.

Milwaukee 6955-20 Miter Saw and DeWalt DWX724 Miter Saw Stand Review

These are my initial impressions of the Milwaukee 6955-20 12-Inch Sliding Dual Bevel Miter Saw and DeWalt DWX724 Heavy Duty Compact Miter Saw Stand after about a month of use:

I purchased both back on 8/12/12. Home Depot was running a sale for the saw at $150 off, so I got it for $500. The DeWalt I paid $193.50 from Amazon. So total, “ready-to-go” price was $693.50

Specs:
Milwaukee 6955-20 http://www.milwaukeetool.com/tools/...dual-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw/6955-20
Voltage 120 AC
Amps 15.0
Blade Size 12"
Slide Yes
Bevel Range 48° Left to 48° Right
No Load Speed 3,200 RPM
Adjustment Type Digital
Light Yes-Dual Integrated
Miter Stops Left-0°, 15°, 22.5°, 31.6°, 45°, 55°
Right-0°, 15°, 22.5°, 31.6°, 45°, 60°
Bevel Stops Left-0°, 15°, 22.5°, 33.85°, 45°, 48°
Right-0°, 15°, 22.5°, 33.85°, 45°, 48°
Vertical Cutting Capacity 6.55
Ninety Degree Cross-Cut Capacity 13.5
Blade Diameter 12"
Arbor Size 5/8 " or 1"
Miter Range 55° Left to 60° Right
Ship Weight 76 lbs.
Tool Weight 65 lbs.
- Miter Angle Digital Readout- provides repeatable accuracy to 0.1°
- Miter Angle Fine Adjust with Detent Override- makes it simple to dial-in precise miter angles
- Dual Integral Jobsite Lights- fully illuminate the work piece and cut line from either side of the blade
- Powerful 15.0 Amp, 3.3 Max HP Direct Drive Motor- provides increased power for high performance cutting in hard lumber
- Constant Power Technology with Soft Start -maintains constant cutting speed under load and decreases start up head movement
- Integral Dust Channel- captures up to 75% of the dust and debris cut
- Dual Horizontal Steel Rails with Three Large Linear Bearings-deliver smooth sliding action
- Oversized Single Lever Bevel Adjustment with (9) Positive Bevel Stops allows the saw to easily bevel left and right 0°- 48°and provides fast and accurate adjustments

Review: Milwaukee 6955-20

I love this saw.

What’s in the Box: Saw with blade attached, dust bag and owner’s manual

Fit and Finish: With the comparable saws I have used (Bosch/DeWalt), this one ranks right at the top. There is no play in any part of the saw that I have noticed. It was dead on zero out of the box as checked with a few cuts and a carpenter’s square. The sliders are solid with no slop. In-Box packaging was solid and beyond adequate. Box looked to have taken quite a hit on one of the corners (thanks FedEx!) and survived with no ill effects inside.

Sliders: They slide buttery smooth and have “gaskets” that keep sawdust out of the saw. The small knob that locks the slider is a little close to the base of the saw for my liking as sometimes this can cause the knob to be awkward to loosen. Minor, but I notice it when using as I store the saw after every use and need to unlock sliders each time.

Angle Adjustment: Very positive engagement at every detent. The digital readout is pretty nifty, but I have to admit for a while I forgot about it and was just looking at the numbers etched in the saw. I am very happy with this part of the saw, as some I have used when testing at the store were not that great.

Weight/Size: It is pretty big at 65lbs. While I would not want to be transporting this saw multiple times per day, I did not really have any problem lifting it and maneuvering it into position when setting it up and moving to stand. I would say that taking it to a job site once a day would not be a big deal. If you needed, you could get one of those rolling stands and the weight issue goes away. Milwaukee has placed handles in optimum spots to aide in carrying and it is well balanced from those points.

Factory Blade: **-tooth Milwaukee blade comes on the saw. While this has done fine for me for everything I have done so far (2x6, 2x4, 1x6, 1x2, etc), these were all cuts that did not require perfection, as they were workshop shelves and things of that nature; not cabinetry or nice trim. I will add an 80 or 96 tooth blade to have for that purpose and continue to use this one for everything else.

Blade Changes: Blade change took about 5-10min taking my time doing it for the first time on the saw. I upgraded to a 80-tooth Freud blade that is amazing.

Cutting Experience: Using the factory blade, I have been extremely happy with the cuts. Splintering was very minimal and more than acceptable for what I have used it for so far (noted above under “Factory Blade”). I have not “had” to use the sliding feature yet other than some test cuts, so I generally lock the saw and use as a non-sliding miter saw as suggested in the manual. When testing the sliders though, the saw performed flawlessly. Cuts were repeatable both straight and angled. 45* was what I was cutting at for shelf supports. Out of 8 cut, only 1 was a fraction off and that was user error as I was trying to be overly safe and hold the wood with another piece of wood instead of my hand and it slipped. This was also the only cut I “burned” and again, I chalk that up to user error. Everything else cut with no problems.

After switching to the Freud blade, all jobs since then have cut like butter.

Cutting Handle: I am happy with the handle. I will say that I do like my friend’s Bosch handle better, but it is not a deal breaker. Work light switch can be turned on and off with hand on the trigger, so that was a convenient location.

Dust Collection: Very good system which is routed from behind the blade out the back to a right-angle chute and into the provided red bag. Bag is boring, no Milwaukee symbol or anything, but it is functional, so that is really all that matters.

Work Lights: While nothing to write home about, they are nice and throw a god amount of light. While many of the advertisement picture show very warm/yellow halogen light, the ones on mine are more LED-like (maybe they are LED’s now) and the light is much more “cool” blue. Not really a negative, but it was unexpected.

Storage/Folding: Pull sliders completely into saw, tighten knob to lock sliders. Push saw all the way down, then one pin pushes in to lock saw down, slide miter adjustment to right and push until it clicks into storage slot. Done. Very easy to do and simple to figure out. Saw is solid in this configuration for transport.

Overall Impression: I wanted to buy one saw to use for the rest of my life and I feel that this saw will do just that. I do not have any regrets at this time and do not foresee any in the future. Well worth the $500 I paid for it. I would actually venture to say that it was a steal at that price which on sale at HD.
 

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Buying used isn't so bad if you check true before purchasing.

If you're buying new, spend more for something better, don't skimp. You'll thank yourself for it.

The two saws at the top of the heap without going to the Festool are the Bosch and the Makita. Bosch has that bitchin' new collapsing slide joint that lets you slide the saw in front of a wall without moving the damn thing out to the middle of the room. I have the Makita 12'' and the entire fit and finish of the whole thing is really top notch. Plus, the Makita is made in the USA.

If you want to move down a rung and not go top of the heap, I'd say go Ridgid. It's the same chinese made saw as the DeWalt, Milwaukee, and so on; but its cheaper and it has that lifetime warranty Home Depot is putting on their power tools that even covers brushes and bearings and everything else. If that saw ever bogs out or falls out of true or fries or whatever, just take it back and get a new one. Can't do that with the others.
 
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o.k., after reading your comments i am down to Milwaukee or Bosch,

What do you think about this one here (Bosch GCM12SD Glide Miter Saw) :

 

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Of those two, the Bosch is superior and the one you linked is the best one they make.

I still think you could spend that kind of money more intelligently, but between those two saws I'd get the Bosch.
 

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Please don't take this the wrong way, as that's not my intention. Is this your first miter saw? I only ask because I have done a lot of what you are doing (in Indy no less), and I have to wonder if you really need a 12". If that's what you want, by all means get it, but from personal experience, I really don't think it would have helped me any and there's a significant price difference in the saw and the blades. I think you'd be better off with a 10" slider.

*I recommend the DeWalt, we use the big slider at work and I have the 10" non slider at home.
 
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Please don't take this the wrong way, as that's not my intention. Is this your first miter saw? I only ask because I have done a lot of what you are doing (in Indy no less), and I have to wonder if you really need a 12". If that's what you want, by all means get it, but from personal experience, I really don't think it would have helped me any and there's a significant price difference in the saw and the blades. I think you'd be better off with a 10" slider.

*I recommend the DeWalt, we use the big slider at work and I have the 10" non slider at home.

No, i appreciate ANY input i can get (or would have went out and bought one and not posted this question here).

My intention is (like stated in my opening post), i want to use it in Germany for remodeling a house too in the future and the beams over there are pretty beefy, i was asking my buddy who is a carpenter over there, and he said better to go with the big dia. .

And yes, this is my fist miter saw, but i did about 15 yrs of wood working in my dads shop in my free time (he only uses Metabo and Sheppach machines which are great too).

So i have a bit of wood working experience, not that i would call my self a Pro, but not a beginner either.

My thoughts are:

better spending 200$ more on the big boy and being satisfied for years to come.

But first i am looking around locally for a good used one (especially the Bosch 5312)
 

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the question is how portable do you want it?? lugging a 12" sliding miter around is a lot of work. A slider is only useful for cutting 8" or more material. Anything less than that a 12" fixed will do.

I have a 12" dewalt non slider and have built a few decks with it. never felt the need for the slider. I have it mounted on a ryobi folding stand and its light enough to lug around.
 
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the question is how portable do you want it?? lugging a 12" sliding miter around is a lot of work. A slider is only useful for cutting 8" or more material. Anything less than that a 12" fixed will do.

I have a 12" dewalt non slider and have built a few decks with it. never felt the need for the slider. I have it mounted on a ryobi folding stand and its light enough to lug around.

i plan on getting a rolling stand anyway, so that should be o.k.
 

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i had a roliing stand before and it was a pain to move around, especially in and out of a vehicle.

i have this one that allows the saw to be removable. i can split them and haul it in my Subaru

 
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i had a roliing stand before and it was a pain to move around, especially in and out of a vehicle.

i have this one that allows the saw to be removable. i can split them and haul it in my Subaru


I was eyeballing this one already too, was mentioned in some of the wood working forums with good reviews.
 

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Of those two, the Bosch is superior and the one you linked is the best one they make.

I still think you could spend that kind of money more intelligently, but between those two saws I'd get the Bosch.

Out of curiosity, have you even used the Milwaukee saw? Or really even the Bosch for that matter? I really dont see how you can say one is that much better than the other unless you have extensively used both. :headscrat

Now i got an offer for a brand new Milwaukee 6955-20 for 449 $...still waiting for the guy on the Bosch 5312 to call back

$449 for that saw brand new is a great price
 

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I've got one like the above Bosch I'd be willing to part with. It has the gravity rise stand as well. I don't use the capacity as much anymore since I bought my little Makita.

I'm in Lafyette.
 

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I am a huge fan of Milwaukee tools but have not used their 12" miter saw so I cannot comment on it other than to say that if it is built like the rest of my Milwaukee's, it is a great tool. I have used the Dewalt's and honestly they leave something to be desired and they just don't last. I don't consider them a tool you'll keep for life and am perplexed at the number of people buying them for a second and even third time. If it died one me after four years of use, why would I buy another???

I would say about five or more years ago ('06) I bought the Ridgid 12" compound slide with an included collapsible cart. I bought it for cheap $ from the Home Depot refurbished tool website. The saw is fantastic, accurate, smooth, and has a very large cutting base. Zero complaints. The cart is also great. It extends to over 8' and has solid rollers on each side that support my work well... I use the saw several times a week in my construction business, again with zero issues.

Okay, one issue, the dust bag is less than perfect but I think they redesigned it on the newer saw...

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Re: Rigid Dustbag

My dustbag on my Rigid comes off when bag fills to certain point from the elbow joint and the bag threads have frayed a bit by the zipper and catches sometimes. I usu just port the dust out of the endhole of the bag..........

I work outside with my miter (or have outside even if working inside - unless unfinished space), so no biggie. Other than that, works like a champ.

...........so now we have narrowed this thread down to who has a better dustbag, LOL (j/k).
 

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Out of curiosity, have you even used the Milwaukee saw? Or really even the Bosch for that matter?

You seem to be taking the fact that I think three brands are better than the Milwaukee kind of personally. I'm sorry. I can't help but feel like you're calling me out for being full of BS or not knowing what I'm talking about.

Have I used them both? Yeah. Extensively? No, because I'm a Makita guy. At the end of the day, they all just cut wood and I can't imagine there's a huge appreciable difference in their performance.

I'll tell you why I think the Bosch he linked is superior to the Milwaukee designed to compete with it:

1) It's not made in China. The Milwaukee is.
2) It has a Glide system that allows it to be used in tight quarters. The Mil doesn't.
3) It has quick release extendable fences. The Mil doesn't.
4) The fences and their extensions are also measuring tools. The Mll's aren't.
5) It has extendable flyout infeed and outfeed assists. The Mil doesn't.
6) The degree indicators and miter scales on the Bosch are about 30% larger and easer to read than on the Mil.
7) The Mil has a digital table rotation readout. It's a redundant system meant to make up for the poor marker visibility on rotation scale and it's one more thing that can break or malfunction.
8) The Bosch has a standard non-proprietary dusttrap adapter. The Mil doesn't.
9) The Bosch has an ambidextrous handle and trigger system. The Mil doesn't.
10) The Bosch is a tiny bit heavier and, though this is an opinion thing, the entire fit and finish is of higher quality and higher attention to detail than the Mil. You can even see it on the pictures on the internet. Cover up the labels and the Milwaukee has a lot of fit-and-finish similarities with the same size saw at Harbor Freight. Hell even some of the marker detents and stainless bezels are installed crooked on the ones I've seen. The Bosch is unmistakably a Bosch.

So there's 10 reasons I can think of just right off the top of my head for you. I could probably comb through the specs on Amazon or somewhere and find a few more for you too (I'm not too familiar with the tech specs of either one). Hopefully thats enough to satisfy you into not thinking I'm just making this stuff up for the hell of it.

I just don't happen to think Milwaukee makes a quality tool. Sorry if that offends you.

11) Oh also I remember the rotator handle on the front of the Bosh is this cool kind of soft grip thing. The Mil just had regular old plastic.
 
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