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I am sure this has been beat to death, I tried to search but cannot search 12 point very well so, I have finally finished building a full set of 6 pt sockets, all drives, metric-SAE, Shallow-Deep. I have no 12pt stuff though. (Not a pro mechanic either) I have used a 12pt on a buddies F-150 driveshaft, but thats it. I am think maybe getting just a craftsmen set of 12 point in case. How often are yall using them? I mean, they can also be used on regular bolts so I guess it wouldnt be a waste.....help me make up my mind please :thumbup:
 
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I am sure this has been beat to death, I tried to search but cannot search 12 point very well so, I have finally finished building a full set of 6 pt sockets, all drives, metric-SAE, Shallow-Deep. I have no 12pt stuff though. (Not a pro mechanic either) I have used a 12pt on a buddies F-150 driveshaft, but thats it. I am think maybe getting just a craftsmen set of 12 point in case. How often are yall using them? I mean, they can also be used on regular bolts so I guess it wouldnt be a waste.....help me make up my mind please :thumbup:

Well, we both know you don't technically need 12 pts for most of the work you do, but if you have a little money to spare I would do like you said and get a small Craftsman set in SAE and metric. Why don't you wait for the holidays since they generally have small sets on sale for real cheap. My $.02
 

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I have inch sets in 3/8. Only thing I need them for though are a few fasteners on my Harley. Remember this though; when buying a C'man set, MAKE SURE the set includes sizes you'll need. I first needed a 12 pt. to torque a 3/8 fastener. Went to Sears, bought a deep and standard set without really looking at the size ranges (my fault really), they both stopped at 7/16. That really annoys me about Craftsman.
 

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Get them, but:

12 point used to be the most common sold, so look for used SAE, for metric, inexpensive Craftsman will work fine, but I would also consider something like an SK (or brand your comfortable with), set that are impact sockets. That way you can use air tools with them when/if you need them.
 

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Crawlin, are you looking for new or used? If you don't mind used, I can probably piece together a set or two (or more if non-Cman). It may work out to be cost effective even with the shipping. Let me know if you are interested.
 

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I guess you can use a box end wrench for most of the situations when you need to turn a 12-pt sucker.
 
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The only time I've ever "needed" a 12 point socket was for removing head bolts (12 point fasteners) and I just bought the one size I needed.

I think Thats what I will do, I can always run to Sears if I need a particular one.

Crawlin, are you looking for new or used? If you don't mind used, I can probably piece together a set or two (or more if non-Cman). It may work out to be cost effective even with the shipping. Let me know if you are interested.

I am not looking for something real soon, because I know I will hardly ever use them if any, plus read above, thinking about doing w/o until I need one.
I guess you can use a box end wrench for most of the situations when you need to turn a 12-pt sucker.

I have thought of that too. I have various wrenches, gear wrench, some offset double box, etc and they are all 12 point.

I am thinking I will save some space in my box unless I see a really cheap c-man set on sale, but even then, no use in taking up space if I might not ever use them
 

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The 3/8 set is $89.99 and the 1/2 set is $199.99 I am planning to buy one of them when they go on sale. probably the 1/2 inch set

I got all the 6 point reg and deep too,
 
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If you run across a 12 point bolt then yes!!

Probably the best and most obvious answer. I think I will wait it out and spend money of things I need at the moment, like a good punch and chisel set for example.
 

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I have 6pt and 12 pt sets for all sizes (with a few exceptions)
I think the 12 pt are a little easier to use or perhaps just a smuge quicker to get onto the head of the bolt/nut
most of the bolts under the hood of my mustang are stainless 12 pt so that is a needed item for me and there are a few OEM applications that have 12 pt bolts in select applications
another benifit of the 12 pts is that some select sizes fit for use driving a tap.

I have some new/near new Cman 12 pts we could deal on if interested

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Ya know, these 12 pt vs 6 pt socket discussions confound me somewhat. First, throw ¼ drive out of the discussion – have always had/used 6 pts there because of the small sizes. Except for those, all the rest of my first sets were 12 pts. Most all of my current chrome stuff is 12 pt, except for the 3/8 deepwell Snappy's I got a great deal on years ago. 12 pt sockets have removed/tightened most every bolt/nut I've ever needed them to - I've only gone for a 6 pt (and some PB/CRC) if the 12 starts to slip, which has been rare (for me). If given a choice between grabbing a 12 or a 6, I always reach for the 12 first. My father's sets were all 12 pts, my friends' sets were most all 12 pts, the various places I've worked over the years (never as a mechanic though) that had some sort of small maintenance facility or stash of tools had mostly 12 pts. Whenever I hit the flea marts or auctions, the vast majority of older misc chrome sockets and sets I find are 12 pts. 12 pt sockets are as common as dirt, 6 pts are far less commonly found in the used box-o-sockets. To me, 6 points have always been for impacts or the really ultra cheap import crapola – you know, the stuff that never fits quite right, and rusts and peels just from looking at it.

This site is literally the first time I've ever heard of a preference by a # of people for 6 pt over 12 pt for normal everyday (non-impact) use. What gives? What's happened over the years to see what seems to be a gradual switch to 6 pt preference? Have I just lived an extremely sheltered life, never having been exposed to the “truth” of 6 pt superiority? Am I a “socket bigot” for refusing to use a 6 pt socket unless I absolutely need to? :headscrat

Oh, one area I will go right to the 6 pt impacts for is older rusted-up exhaust work - more often than not I end up pounding the jammed-in twisted-off nut/bolt head out of the socket - hate to ****** up chrome with the vise jaws.:(
 

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I wanted to get complete sets, instead of buying the same size sockets twice, I picked up a 145 peice CM all 6 point set, The reason I use 6 point is for less slippage and rounding off of a fastener. Both would work fine 12 point fits into places easier than 6 point , Like on Chevy Truck driveshaft bolts "easier to get leverage". Both are great, but I like 6 point though. Personal Preference "whatever floats your boat". No Biggie
 

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Whenever I hit the flea marts or auctions, the vast majority of older misc chrome sockets and sets I find are 12 pts. 12 pt sockets are as common as dirt, 6 pts are far less commonly found in the used box-o-sockets.

Same here.
The disparity was so much I noticed immediately.
 

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I have 6pt and 12 pt sets for all sizes (with a few exceptions)
I think the 12 pt are a little easier to use or perhaps just a smuge quicker to get onto the head of the bolt/nut
most of the bolts under the hood of my mustang are stainless 12 pt so that is a needed item for me and there are a few OEM applications that have 12 pt bolts in select applications
another benifit of the 12 pts is that some select sizes fit for use driving a tap.

I have some new/near new Cman 12 pts we could deal on if interested

bob

Ya know, these 12 pt vs 6 pt socket discussions confound me somewhat. First, throw ¼ drive out of the discussion – have always had/used 6 pts there because of the small sizes. Except for those, all the rest of my first sets were 12 pts. Most all of my current chrome stuff is 12 pt, except for the 3/8 deepwell Snappy's I got a great deal on years ago. 12 pt sockets have removed/tightened most every bolt/nut I've ever needed them to - I've only gone for a 6 pt (and some PB/CRC) if the 12 starts to slip, which has been rare (for me). If given a choice between grabbing a 12 or a 6, I always reach for the 12 first. My father's sets were all 12 pts, my friends' sets were most all 12 pts, the various places I've worked over the years (never as a mechanic though) that had some sort of small maintenance facility or stash of tools had mostly 12 pts. Whenever I hit the flea marts or auctions, the vast majority of older misc chrome sockets and sets I find are 12 pts. 12 pt sockets are as common as dirt, 6 pts are far less commonly found in the used box-o-sockets. To me, 6 points have always been for impacts or the really ultra cheap import crapola – you know, the stuff that never fits quite right, and rusts and peels just from looking at it.

This site is literally the first time I've ever heard of a preference by a # of people for 6 pt over 12 pt for normal everyday (non-impact) use. What gives? What's happened over the years to see what seems to be a gradual switch to 6 pt preference? Have I just lived an extremely sheltered life, never having been exposed to the “truth” of 6 pt superiority? Am I a “socket bigot” for refusing to use a 6 pt socket unless I absolutely need to? :headscrat

Oh, one area I will go right to the 6 pt impacts for is older rusted-up exhaust work - more often than not I end up pounding the jammed-in twisted-off nut/bolt head out of the socket - hate to ****** up chrome with the vise jaws.:(

Three kindred spirits, I have full sets of 6 and 12pt in 1/4" 3/8" and 1/2". I will say for many years I had no 6pt sockets, and in reality if I had to live with only one I would still likely choose 12pt. I think many make far too big a deal over the importance of 6pt sockets. The first 6pt sockets I had were my impacts then slowly over the years I added the 6pt chrome sets as a luxury. I use both, but still grab the 12pts first due to their ease of use.
 
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Some of you guys may already know that aircraft turbine engines are loaded with 12pt. fasteners; both bolt heads and nuts. Obviously though, not all of us turn wrenches on turbine engines. I will say this though - if you've ever used a 12pt. socket on a 12pt. fastener, the surface contact feel is amazing. :)
 
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When thisd thread started I went down to my workshop and checked my sockets.
I have two distinctly separate "collections".
The ones that stay in drawers in the workshop, and the ones in a large carry-out case. This being the UK I have both Imperial and metric.
I found that about 80 per cent are 12 point and the rest are 6 point.
I had no idea until I went and looked.
 

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Funny, when I was growing up all I used was Craftsman tools; those sockets were primarily 12 point (aside from specialty sockets like spark plug sockets etc.), when I worked at the body shop.... I was exposed to Snap-On tools and 6 point sockets! At that time the techs were emphasizing the ability of 6 point sockets to resist rounding off nuts/bolts and have greater strength! The 12 point socket virtues were also brought up in relation to if you were in a tight confined space; the 12 point was easier to put on a ratchet because of the smaller angles that it could be put on a bolt/nut! All of the Snap-On socket sets I have purchased used have all been 6 point; I have noticed that the loose used sockets I find at pawn shops/fleas are 6 point but the 12 points I find are of earlier production codes... go figure! I guess this adds another vote to the anecdotal evidence that 12 point was more popular or produced more in earlier tool sets....
 
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As you all know I bought that box of 12 sided although advertised as 6 sided smoos sockets.

I use them more these days than my 6 sided snap on ones!

I DO prefer 6 sided sockets though as a rule.
 

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I'm in the process of replacing all of my twelve point stuff with six point gear. I have found that the sockets strip out too easily, and I am tired of slipping off something when in a high torque environment. I'll still keep my twelve point gear around, but I only plan on using it when absolutely necessary, such as the 12 pt. 3/8" headed bolt in the TH400 and 4L80, or the Ford drive shafts.

Any socket that I buy from here on out will be six point only, unless something absolutely requires it.

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1/4" all are 6pt
3/8 and 1/2 are both sets of 6 and 12 pt. std and deep
3/4 drive are all 12 pt

Never had a problem with the 12pts. Just use the right one for the right job. Got a real stubborn bolt? Use a 6 pt.

The same goes for wrenches. Usually the 12pt are fine. Sometimes the 6 pt are the smarter choice.
 

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Well, I just checked and I have to admit that I'm pretty much even, and that my chrome socket collection is way overboard with stuff that I hardly use. I have 12pt and 6pt in 3/8", 1/2" and 3/4" -- why? I don't know -- since I always reach for 6 point sockets regardless of application.

I fact, I found a 1960's vintage MAC 3/8" SAE 12pt deep drive set that looks brand new, and hasnt touched a fastener in decades. Must have been one of those "must have" impulse purchases way back when.

This addiction has been going on for almost 40 years --
 

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1/4" all are 6pt
3/8 and 1/2 are both sets of 6 and 12 pt. std and deep
3/4 drive are all 12 pt

Never had a problem with the 12pts. Just use the right one for the right job. Got a real stubborn bolt? Use a 6 pt.

The same goes for wrenches. Usually the 12pt are fine. Sometimes the 6 pt are the smarter choice.

Thats about how I do it except all my 1/2" sockets are 12 point as well. I ussually as a rule don't use 12 point for anything smaller than 1/2" and I have never had a problem them at all.
 

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One thing I don't think anybody mentioned is that 12 points will also drive a square fastener: square head set screws, etc. I run into those a whole lot more often than I do 12-point fasteners.
 

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One thing I don't think anybody mentioned is that 12 points will also drive a square fastener: square head set screws, etc. I run into those a whole lot more often than I do 12-point fasteners.

Not correct, you need 8pt sockets to handle square nuts. :thumbup:
 

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Not correct, you need 8pt sockets to handle square nuts. :thumbup:
No, it is correct: I do it very regularly. as long as it's divisible by 4, you'll have correctly placed points: an eight point is divisible by four, a 12 is divisible by four, a six isn't. Math works on a six point, too: 6 is divisible by 6, so is 12. I guess if you could find a 3-point fastener, either would work on it, too.
 
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I am working on building 3/8" in both 6pt and 12pt. For 1/4" drive the majority of my sockets are 6pt but I'm working on building 12pt from used / bargain finds.

For 1/2", I plan to do what was recommended to me here on a similiar thread I posted. I plan to let my impacts serve as my 6pt sockets (for those stubborn bolts) and buy high quality (read: Snap-On) 12pt in the chromes. buying both 6pt and 12pt in Snap-On 1/2" in both SAE and Metric costs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Later, if I'm rolling in dough, I'll add the 6pt chromes.

Read this, it should help. I received a lot of good advice (all 9 pages worth!)

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20608
 

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Not correct, you need 8pt sockets to handle square nuts. :thumbup:

You can use 12 point sockets on 4 point fasters but you need to upsize an 1/8" for socket size in my experiance. Also for really tight 4 points I would probably just use a four or eight point socket becuase you have some play in a 12 point.
 

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You can use 12 point sockets on 4 point fasters but you need to upsize an 1/8" for socket size in my experiance. Also for really tight 4 points I would probably just use a four or eight point socket becuase you have some play in a 12 point.
I generally just include the metrics when I'm looking for the right 12 pt. to fit a square: that gives quite a few more options to nail down the best fit.
 

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You can use 12 point sockets on 4 point fasters but you need to upsize an 1/8" for socket size in my experiance. Also for really tight 4 points I would probably just use a four or eight point socket becuase you have some play in a 12 point.

I have not tried using a 12pt on a square nut for years, but I really did not remember a 12pt as fitting a square. I guess I must be wrong, I will take you guys word for it. Fortunate for me I have 8pts from very small on up to 1" so I do not need to upsize or figure anything, just grab the right sized socket and use it. :beer:
 

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Sure a 12 point socket will fit a square but you'll find the wall of the socket will not be parallel to the face of the square. You'll have a good chance of simply rounding the corners off. Best to stick with 8 point sockets.
 

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Besides 12 pt. fasteners, I like 12pts. for low to medium torque applications, since they seat on the fastener easier, for high torque a 6 point is necessary. Don't skimp on quality with 12 pt. sockets, 6pts. are a little forgiving if the manufacturer is a little "loose", 12 pts. are not. Buy high end ones.:)
 

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Besides 12 pt. fasteners, I like 12pts. for low to medium torque applications, since they seat on the fastener easier, for high torque a 6 point is necessary. Don't skimp on quality with 12 pt. sockets, 6pts. are a little forgiving if the manufacturer is a little "loose", 12 pts. are not. Buy high end ones.:)

That strikes me funny, I have never broken very many sockets, but of the few I have broken I seem to remember breaking more 6pt than 12pt sockets. It's prolly just me. :headscrat
 

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I didn't say I broke them, but they could slip if they are not right on, or the fastener is rounded.
 

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Sure a 12 point socket will fit a square but you'll find the wall of the socket will not be parallel to the face of the square. You'll have a good chance of simply rounding the corners off. Best to stick with 8 point sockets.
Okay, go find a 12 point socket. Put a mark on every third "groove": then step back and you'll notice they're a perfect square. Yes, they aren't as good as an 8-point or a 4-point: however, given the small point at which THOSE load up as well as you turn the fastener, it's all but academic. Add that to the fact that 4-points generally aren't used in high torque applications, and it really doesn't matter. I've got eight points as well, however I honestly couldn't tell you at this juncture which of the toolboxes they're in. 12's work on squares, they work adequately, and that's one item on their list of "utilities" that a 6-point doesn't have. If I was on a production line driving 800 4-point fasteners a day, would I get eight points or four points? You betcha. Am I going to sit there and tell people that you can't do it, simply because there's a better tool out there, especially one that, in reality, most people don't have? Absolutely not. Am I going to "fill in" an individual who doesn't realize that the 12-points he's got have an "available function" that will increase the value of that tool to him? Abso-freakin-lutely. This is akin to telling someone that they shouldn't even consider the use of a adjustable wrench because there are wrenches out there that do it better. Sometimes a adjustable wrench is perfectly adequate, and it has it's own strengths as well. Am I saying that a 12 point socket is the greatest thing since sliced bread when it comes to 4-point fasteners? Heck no. Is that one more available use that makes a tool that lots of people already own more versatile, and thus more valuable? Yes. Having the right tool for the job is a "just and noble goal". That doesn't mean we need to spit on the #2 contender.
 
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