it's 2013 garage sale season!...

[Mohawk Dave]

Hey Outlaw, good stuff! Q? What is/are "Plvmb Lawsuit sockets"?

 

[Mohawk Dave]

Forgot this one. Stopped at a flea market by an antiques store and some guy was selling those sets of screwdrivers Harbor Freight gives away free with the coupons. (2.99 if you buy them).

He was asking $5.00 per set! (he had about 12 sets) I saw the price and laughed and he gave me an evil stare. The guy next to me picked one set up and I told him HF gives them out free with a coupon and the guy selling them looked like his head was going to explode with anger.

Guess I ruined his plans of collecting free stuff from HF and then selling it for twice the price HF sells it for! Everything else he had for sale was rusted Chinese junk that he had priced at Snap-On levels!

I do this too. Not to target and foil plans, but to help my fellow man, as I hope my fellow man would help me. Good for ya!

 

[G_P]

6 Plvmb Lawsuit sockets

What is a "lawsuit socket"? I assume it has to do with the grind marks?

 

[bigcaddy]

What is a "lawsuit socket"? I assume it has to do with the grind marks?

Plomb was sued by Plumb and they ground of the names of their sockets for that particular year. If memory serves, it was 1948 and they also paid out a cash settlement

 

[Outlawmws]

When Plvmb lost the trademark lawsuit with Plumb, the cutoff forced them to grind the Plvmb name off some tools before selling them. these and one other tool I've bought in the last couple of weeks are the only examples of them I've seen personally, but others have seen more.

The last of today's finds:

I picked up all this for ten, which was what he had on the 8" 3/4 drive Proto extension alone. besides the extension, Klien Dykes, A SO, 2 Plvmb, and 1 Proto Flex sockets, and an Odd little Bonney Crows foot, if you loot the square broach is tapered on two sides, and also has a couple of off set detent holes which do not line up. I'm thinking this was deliberate for accessing something special...

Then there is the adjustable "Socket" which once "realigned" (The screw is not centered...) should go to about 5" and close to or smaller than 2-1/2". I'm pretty sure this is for truck axle nuts...

Next two pics are al from the same stop; a 1 gal safety can (Clean inside despite the exterior) and a small air horn

And an old Coke bottle case, my second but the other is not for the small bottles. (I have a 10c Coke machine for the small bottles, and until now, had only Pepsi wood cases...)

I also picked up a Buck lock blade SS knife, but my son got that as a daily carry knife before I took a pic. I also got this Husky Box knife on one of the last stops. Probably the classiest Box cutter I've ever seen:

Before with all its "patina":

And after cleanup. the Blue tape was to hold the blade retainer from swinging open, there was some sort of lock tap that swung onto the cover and into that detent hole, so I need to see if I can see what that looked like and see if I can fab up a replacement.

 

[Flatintoone]

When Plvmb lost the trademark lawsuit with Plumb, the cutoff forced them to grind the Plvmb name off some tools before selling them. these and one other tool I've bought in the last couple of weeks are the only examples of them I've seen personally, but others have seen more.

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Where would "proto by plomb tools" fit into that? I got one this weekend and assumed at first it was a ''lawsuit" tool

 

[Outlawmws]

When Plvmb lost the trademark lawsuit with Plumb, the cutoff forced them to grind the Plvmb name off some tools before selling them. these and one other tool I've bought in the last couple of weeks are the only examples of them I've seen personally, but others have seen more.

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Where would "proto by plomb tools" fit into that? I got one this weekend and assumed at first it was a ''lawsuit" tool

Need to get the actual time frame from a Proto/Plvmb expert, but probably a transitional piece, I believe they starter using Proto before they were forced.

 

[The Copilot]

And after cleanup. the Blue tape was to hold the blade retainer from swinging open, there was some sort of lock tap that swung onto the cover and into that detent hole, so I need to see if I can see what that looked like and see if I can fab up a replacement.

That folding utility knife is missing the blade locking arm. Craftsman and Husky will make knives like this, so if you have serious about restoring this one with the brass fittings, I'd but a new knife as a donor and put the locking arm on this one.

Here's an example of what they look like intact:

 

[The Copilot]

Strange looking set of slip joint pliers marked Palmer and nothing else. They are almost 1/2" thick at the jaws and weight a ton in your hands.

Those are Palmer Welloct pliers. I believe you will find a limited amount of info about them on Alloy Artifacts. The reason I know is that awhile back I bought a pair of Palmer Welloct linesman's pliers and did a little internet research about the company. They were in the same town (Meadeville, PA) where Champion DeArment/Channelock is still located.

 

[Outlawmws]

Ovalinaz, I picked up a small Craftsman Vise similar to yours, but mine is the clamp on version.. was yours modified?

 

[msgtsmithret]

Got some great picks at one stop - after 2 hours of NUTHIN. I try to keep focused on automotive tools, but I couldn't pass on the Stanley #42 and #43 Saw kerf Set tools. Also a double line Craftsman wrench holder, a YANKEE no. 41 hand drill, a SMITHS acetylene regulator, a 1920 BESCO micro torch - only 7" long - and a FORD model T pliers. Made me forget the 2 hour slump! I can't find much info on the micro torch. I know it's 1920's but that's it.

 

[Outlawmws]

That folding utility knife is missing the blade locking arm. Craftsman and Husky will make knives like this, so if you have serious about restoring this one with the brass fittings, I'd but a new knife as a donor and put the locking arm on this one.

Here's an example of what they look like intact:

Thanks for the pic, I hadn't had a chance to do any research on it. That little tab seems like an easy part to remake, unless parts are available...

 

[msgtsmithret]

Those are great finds bigcaddy. I really like the Starret stuff

 

[Outlawmws]

Those are Palmer Welloct pliers. I believe you will find a limited amount of info about them on Alloy Artifacts. The reason I know is that awhile back I bought a pair of Palmer Welloct linesman's pliers and did a little internet research about the company. They were in the same town (Meadeville, PA) where Champion DeArment/Channelock is still located.

Wow, 82 different brands of pliers in my garage, and BC finds one I don't have!

 

[Mohawk Dave]

Thanks for the pic, I hadn't had a chance to do any research on it. That little tab seems like an easy part to remake, unless parts are available...

As the devil's advocate, don't be afraid to either grind the thumb tab down some or modify it as you see fit. I remember using these years ago in construction (went back to my fixed blade) and it seemed that little tab would always catch on something and open on ya. But either way, you will find what suits your need. Now I remember...we would lay it on it's side and tappy tappy with a hammer to make the tab low profile. Harder to open, but worth it. Just my two pennies. and that Husky knife is classy

 

[Provincial]

Outlaw, that odd crowsfoot wrench in post #1327 is a WWII aviation tool. It is a Pratt & Whitney wrench for removing/replacing starters and generators. Those accessories were mounted on the back of the engine and the mounting bolt circle was smaller than the outside diameter of the main body. The opening of the "square" drive allowed the extension bar to flop over at an angle to clear the body of the accessory. The angle of the offset opening allowed more variation in swing to avoid other obstacles mounted on the rear of the engine by flipping it over. It was designed to be used with a very heavy (and long) 3/8" breaker bar that was also part of the tool set.

It didn't really work that well, and often slipped off the nuts. I welded up offset wrenches from box ends and long breaker bars (think square drive long distributor wrenches) to fit the room available for the accessories that were actually installed on the engines I worked on. For instance, it reduced the time for a starter change on a R-1830 from two hours to less than 20 minutes!

 

[2oolhound]

I picked up a few nice pieces at a garage sale. 1/2 Mac impact gun and a 3/8 butterfly. $20 each and they both work really well.



Also got a cool Cman hollow ground kitchen knife with 10.5" blade for a $1.

 

[Davefr]

$2 for the Plumbers Candles and 2 3" C-clamps.

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Nice finds. What the heck are Plumber's Candles??

 

[jeffmoss26]

They are shorter and wider than a normal candle...we sell them at the hardware store.

 

[Outlawmws]

2oolHound, that knife is OLD. The Long C Craftsman logo stopped being used in the mid 40's, at least on tools.

 

[beerdog]

When Plvmb lost the trademark lawsuit with Plumb, the cutoff forced them to grind the Plvmb name off some tools before selling them. these and one other tool I've bought in the last couple of weeks are the only examples of them I've seen personally, but others have seen more.

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Where would "proto by plomb tools" fit into that? I got one this weekend and assumed at first it was a ''lawsuit" tool

You can read up on the history of how the Proto name developed on Alloy Artifacts. There are some other sites that discuss the Proto history. Proto stands for Pro Tools. If i remember correctly, what you have are very early examples of the first usage of the Proto name.

 

[Outlawmws]

Dave, What Jeff said, but they add something (higher percentage of stearic acid?) in the wax to make them burn a bit slower and last longer, or at least they are supposed to...

Rated for something like 6-8 hours each

 

[Outlawmws]

Outlaw, that odd crowsfoot wrench in post #1327 is a WWII aviation tool. It is a Pratt & Whitney wrench for removing/replacing starters and generators. Those accessories were mounted on the back of the engine and the mounting bolt circle was smaller than the outside diameter of the main body. The opening of the "square" drive allowed the extension bar to flop over at an angle to clear the body of the accessory. The angle of the offset opening allowed more variation in swing to avoid other obstacles mounted on the rear of the engine by flipping it over. It was designed to be used with a very heavy (and long) 3/8" breaker bar that was also part of the tool set.

It didn't really work that well, and often slipped off the nuts. I welded up offset wrenches from box ends and long breaker bars (think square drive long distributor wrenches) to fit the room available for the accessories that were actually installed on the engines I worked on. For instance, it reduced the time for a starter change on a R-1830 from two hours to less than 20 minutes!

Thanks for that insight Provincial! Interesting how companies and people tried to make tools to adapt to poor fastener locations. I tried this thing on an extension and yeah, I'll bet a bunch of them fell off in potentially bad places on aircraft in use!

 

[bigcaddy]

I went to a rather unusual Sunday estate sale today with my sights set on one particular item.

I was the first in the door and what i came for turned out to not be what i thought it was but i still was able to grab so really good items before i was out the door.


Wilton 645 bench vise

Snap on F71 ratchet
Snap on TM 70B 1/4" ratchet
Snap on 5/8" end wrench
Snap on deep socket

Penens ratchet

Mint SK 1/2" drive ratchet

Small pile of new looking MAC sockets

Plomb WF 18 3/8" extension

Thorsen extension

Craftsman ignition wrenches

Assorted Snap on hard handle screwdrivers in black and one in yellow.

Proto LA wood handle screwdriver

Ridgid 6" pipe wrench



Not too bad for a sunday

 

[msgtsmithret]

Nice finds! Love that vise.

 

[Outlawmws]

Some nice PU's there BC!

I also went on a Sunday Sailing trip, to one that was the only ad early this AM. I also did a Drive by on yesterday's Block sale to see what might have crept out overnight. less than 1/2 were still up for it, but I did get a couple of small things.

The first stop was the good one however. I've had my eye out for a decent Gunsmith's flex vice for a long time, so today, I found one, and another at the other end of the bench!

Meet the Twins!

One is near pristine under light rust and gunge. the other has been thrashed over it's life, and had a mod made to it. Both US made, both have the Pipe jaws I only found one angle adapter though $10 each!

I also got this Stanley Angle DP vise. $5 2-1/4"jaws, and a hand vise with 1-1/2" jaws, plus the clamp.

A set of Brownell's driver bits and the driver, and 4 of a set of West German made Drivers. the Handles are real comfortable and oval in crass section so grip well.

A couple of Hammers BP and XP, A mag tray, A US made base stand and Magnifier.

The Hinsdale Flair was from a later stop at the block sale. not sure how I got it in with this stuff

And a set of 4" Mitutoyo Dial Calipers. $5

And this is some from last Sat next door to my MIL's place on a visit over there: the hooks and a Wright driver socket. The Wire wheel Valve adjusting tool and Bunsen Burner (and the earlier Hinsdale wrench) were $4 today at the Block sale

 

[Murphy'sSidekic]

Here are my finds from the weekend.

Hitachi L100 VFD, 240 1ph in, 240 3ph out, 1HP for $60.

Interapid test indicator, Starrett ***** punches and a hard rule for $55.

A bunch of twist lock caps, plugs and receptacles, for $1 each!

And finally, not really a find, but a friend from work gave me a nice Delta tabletop bandsaw last week.

 

[Ovalinaz]

Nice finds!

 

[stormking]

Some good things found by you guys lately. Tools finds were in short supply here this week. Managed to find these (Plomb, Proto LA, Walden-Worcester, and a couple Snapy strike over sockets). I like the cut off Plomb body hammer the best.

 

[Hafen_Kafer]

You came up on that test indicator

 

[nine4gmc]

Lots of people posting good finds now, I love it! Sales have been slow around here the last two weeks, hopefully better next weekend.

 

[mashguy4077]

This wasnt a garage sale find. It was a pawnshop find. Hope thats still okay to post in this thread.

Its a Mack Truck wall clock from 1976. I thought it was pretty neat so I bought it.

 

[bigcaddy]

YOU ****!! That is a killer clock

 

[Outlawmws]

That is a cool clock! And I think almost anything can be posted in here, as long as its a second hand score of some sort.

 

[jeffmoss26]

Outlaw, awesome as always!
Murphy's, those twistlocks are a STEAL! What voltage/amperage are they? I wired up a lot of 120 volt 20 and 30 amp twistlocks when I did sound and lighting at school!

 

[stormking]

Nice clock! Forgot to post this toolbox I spent $2 on.

 

[nine4gmc]

Nice clock, super cool tool box stormking!

 

[shephd]

I agree, people are find good stuff. In last several days, I've gotten lucky a few times. I got a Campbell hausfield 5" air sander, a Williams S-53 1/2" ratchet, and a batman coffee mug. Then I saw an ad on CL for a SO toolbox. Turned out good: kr56, its better than the pic. Needs a good cleaning. I don't get very lucky on the free section of CL, but I also got a like new 4 drawer legal filing cabinet.

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[Murphy'sSidekic]

Hafen, I know! I bought a new one about three months ago.

Jeff, most of the twist locks are 125V/30A. There are some 250V/20A and some 208V 3phase. I'm planning on using them in my refit of the garage/basement into a machine shop.

 

[Davefr]

YOU ****!! That is a killer clock

Yes +1!!