ganymede
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You just reminded of the old joke about the bear using a rabbit as toilet paper.does the bear **** in the woods ? Is the pope catholic ?
Why does anyone purchase a tool box brand new off the truck?
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redwrench60
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Sometimes they give you better deals if you finance, even if you pay it off in full on the first payment.
The the last things i was looking for were side lockers and after watching Craig's List and Ebay for about three months I mentioned to my Snap On dealer to keep an eye out for trade ins and good used ones in my price range and color. I told him I found one with the right price but wrong color and he said "Hell, I'll match that and kick in a tool voucher certificate if you put it on a credit account.
So as it worked out I got the used price I wanted but on brand new, in the right color, with matching trim, a tool certificate and since I qualified for 9.9% financing rate I stretched the payments out over three months before paying them off to soften the blow a little.
Side boxes are a different story, I've been looking for one for awhile now. They aren't nearly as plentiful as roll cabs and you are further limited if you want a specific color/model. The trade in explanation makes sense to me but you didn't answer my question. How far off msrp will the truck guys typically go on boxes? How much less than list did you pay for your side locker?
wannab20hatch
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I paid just over a third of msrp for my classic 78 and Ive seen contracts where guys paid less than half of msrp for a new box w/o student pricing. it all depends on your dealer and how bad yall want to make a deal. Its been my experience to where when they order a box and it sits on the truck for a while they'll move on the price a lot just to make room for the next box. That's how I ended up with my epiq. dealer said not many people were biting on the green mica
Fireball027
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I got about 40℅ off msrp on my box and 30% off on my add on top drawer. But i am sure he made the difference off me over the years on all the tools I bought.
purplezr2
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Got a quote for 6400 out the door for a 68 epiq with ss top so about 40 off. Also they had the 84" epiq in the industrial flyer for something like 7200 with SS top I believe.
PCO6
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Or the Charmin toilet paper commercial with the white kittens. When it's over you wonder which would be softer on your ****.
You just reminded of the old joke about the bear using a rabbit as toilet paper.
redwrench60
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Well, evidently my paper record keeping ***** at the moment. I was trying to lay hands on the papers but it was about 40% off MSRP and I got a tool certificate based on the total amount financed. It didn't matter that I paid off the account in full three months later. Oh yeah I got two side lockers.
I've done even better in the past......
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firebox40dash5
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I'd say 90% of the reason most buy new off the truck is inability to buy what you want with cash, used or not. A small amount is people who have boatloads of money (or boatloads of desire to be in debt) and would rather pay much more for exactly what they want than save some money and make a compromise. Think "guy who wants an 84" Extreme Green Epiq".
I'm pretty broke, but I could AFFORD to make payments on a box off the truck. What I can't do is JUSTIFY it, or lay down $2-3k in cash for what I want used. If I had the money to lay down $6k+ in cash for a brand new box, I'd still pay cash for a used one, and know it'll hold a whole lot closer to my purchase price, not lose 50% of my money when the first wheel rolls off the liftgate. I can either buy a whole lot more box used with cash, or buy the same box I would have bought and take the rest somewhere fun. Like the ***** bar.
Got nothing to do with income, and everything to do with value. I don't value being the first guy to lay a socket in a drawer, and I can buy a hell of a lot of convenience with a few grand. YMMV, I'll probably never own a new car either, for about the same reasons.regguy1
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I'd bet that 80-90% of new tool box purchases from a tool truck are at least partially financed. It is hard to get a C/L seller to accept weekly payments
Bingo...!!
ganymede
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Or the Charmin toilet paper commercial with the white kittens. When it's over you wonder which would be softer on your ****.
I'm gonna see if its on Youtube.
Heavy Metal Doctor
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I have bought new from the toolman each time for all the same reasons other have said. The biggest reasons, though, are ease of purchase / trade in -- I can't get as much selling my old box on my own as I get from a trade deal from the toolman, and it's "my box" w/my option choices.
I bought a new tool box, because it was what I wanted, when I wanted it, at a price that rivaled the used tool box market. Plus, I felt a lot "safer" using a corporate purchase order as a tax write-off than a handwritten note.
I've always bought new cars as well, because I didn't want to deal with auto break downs or emergency repairs, as far as possible. When I was younger in my career, I called into work for a day off, because my car broke down. Quickly found out how unacceptable that was for an excuse.
Listed where? My income as far as credit is concerned, is whatever I choose to tell them. I'm not 18 nor buying something at a shady buy-here pay-here place. If you have excellent credit, I've never heard of a place asking for income verification. At least as far as consumer credit related financing.
Or at least outside potentially of mortgages, even than, that's a relatively new mandate. Non-verification loans were a standard in the past, for those with great credit, why bother was the mentality.
Most financial institutions also realize that their more financially astute customers, are going to go to great lengths for tax advantageous filings. Hence, their taxable income is unlikely to be a true reflection of their financial capability.
I've always bought new cars as well, because I didn't want to deal with auto break downs or emergency repairs, as far as possible. When I was younger in my career, I called into work for a day off, because my car broke down. Quickly found out how unacceptable that was for an excuse.
Listed where? My income as far as credit is concerned, is whatever I choose to tell them. I'm not 18 nor buying something at a shady buy-here pay-here place. If you have excellent credit, I've never heard of a place asking for income verification. At least as far as consumer credit related financing.
Or at least outside potentially of mortgages, even than, that's a relatively new mandate. Non-verification loans were a standard in the past, for those with great credit, why bother was the mentality.
Most financial institutions also realize that their more financially astute customers, are going to go to great lengths for tax advantageous filings. Hence, their taxable income is unlikely to be a true reflection of their financial capability.
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PCO6
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OOPS - Sorry - it was "Royale". The kittens are white and about the same size as a roll of toilet paper. The commercial ends with ... "The one you want for a soft touch". I can see that someone could get confused and grab the wrong one!
4x4gearhead
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Sometimes being able to pay on something as opposed to buying it all right on the spot is the deciding factor as well. I know it was for me when I was starting out. Its a large sum but they make it affordable to pay on.
ganymede
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OOPS - Sorry - it was "Royale". The kittens are white and about the same size as a roll of toilet paper. The commercial ends with ... "The one you want for a soft touch". I can see that someone could get confused and grab the wrong one!
Poor kitties. Don't wipe with them. Lol
My SO guy runs killer deales on new boxes but I still couldn't imagine paying that much for something that simply holds/organizes my tools.
I bought 2 Matco boxes on CL within the last yr..... a 6S double bank & a 4S triple bank, both in very nice condition. The 4S was stocked full of at least $4k worth of Matco & SO tools. I paid about 13% of what they would've cost new. I'm game for that kinda deal any day of the week.
I bought 2 Matco boxes on CL within the last yr..... a 6S double bank & a 4S triple bank, both in very nice condition. The 4S was stocked full of at least $4k worth of Matco & SO tools. I paid about 13% of what they would've cost new. I'm game for that kinda deal any day of the week.
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Spudland_Dave
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I havent gotten one yet, but I will as soon as the paint is dry in my new shop...
Used or New it will come off a truck...Period.
Looking at CL and other ad sites, on anything worth buying used pricing is too close to new price, factored in with headaches of going to get the box 150 miles away. Financially it doesnt make sense.
Secondly, buying used boxes off the truck offers just as good pricing, plus FULL service & support, plus they'll lift gate it right to my house some night or weekend. Pricing on new ones isnt out of line either. IMO I could spin the question the other way...why would someone ever buy a used box? In my research, in my area, from my point of view, I just couldnt see why I would want to chase after used boxes.
I dropped a line in my SO guy's ear about wanting a KRSC100...we've got a handshake deal at a SCREAMIN price for one....I told him I didnt want it delivered anytime soon as I coudlnt bear trashing a new box with sheetrock dust or paint...and he was completely fine with that, he will place my order in when he's got promo's available to him, bundling, free shipping, whatever...at the price I'm getting it for, I could care less.
IN terms of professional users buying them. How many of home-owners would buy a box today, and expect delivery in 6-8 weeks? What I'm saying is most people wont buy a new box without having the first sold...by trading them in on new, they can "sell" the box now, and buy a new one...the day the new one comes in they swap tools around and done. How many mechanics would want to work out of 5 gallon pails until the new box showed up?
AND...thats why I think all the nice used boxes are on trucks.
Used or New it will come off a truck...Period.
Looking at CL and other ad sites, on anything worth buying used pricing is too close to new price, factored in with headaches of going to get the box 150 miles away. Financially it doesnt make sense.
Secondly, buying used boxes off the truck offers just as good pricing, plus FULL service & support, plus they'll lift gate it right to my house some night or weekend. Pricing on new ones isnt out of line either. IMO I could spin the question the other way...why would someone ever buy a used box? In my research, in my area, from my point of view, I just couldnt see why I would want to chase after used boxes.
I dropped a line in my SO guy's ear about wanting a KRSC100...we've got a handshake deal at a SCREAMIN price for one....I told him I didnt want it delivered anytime soon as I coudlnt bear trashing a new box with sheetrock dust or paint...and he was completely fine with that, he will place my order in when he's got promo's available to him, bundling, free shipping, whatever...at the price I'm getting it for, I could care less.
IN terms of professional users buying them. How many of home-owners would buy a box today, and expect delivery in 6-8 weeks? What I'm saying is most people wont buy a new box without having the first sold...by trading them in on new, they can "sell" the box now, and buy a new one...the day the new one comes in they swap tools around and done. How many mechanics would want to work out of 5 gallon pails until the new box showed up?
AND...thats why I think all the nice used boxes are on trucks.
Ha! I know.... they were deals I could not pass up!
On a side note... beware of buying a box that has a lein on it. You'll get slammed if you try to trade it in.
i looked on cl for a year was willing to travel 300 mile aawy to get a deal my rep walked in and offered me a krl1023 black for $5000 after tax with my trade in a tiny waterloo bottom and a 1960s SO road box that had been in three fires and repainted with a brush i couldnt pass up the deal
woody 73
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To the op I kid you not today on the Columbus craigslist someone is selling a Kennedy Mechanics 34inch tool box for...Wait for it, wait $1250.00 crazy just crazy for a small tool box! I wonder what he would have asked if it had the snap on name?
that is truly sad if you need to spend 8 grand to get the ability to warranty tools with ease.....
nelsondobbins
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I've still got my Craftsman boxex fron 1976.......
all they do is sit there and hold tools. They don't fix anything!
all they do is sit there and hold tools. They don't fix anything!
4x4gearhead
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Not for nothing but, in 1976 a craftsman box worthy of someone who would use it every day could be had.
redwrench60
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25% of my work tools would crush a 1976 craftsman box.
Lurch67
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What happens if you purchase a box with a lein on it and you try to trade it in? Will they keep it? How can you determine if a lein is present before you purchase the box?
You Dont.. but i wouldn't downplay the Importance of being a good customer and the Perks that come with it, Regardless if your talking about a Restaurants, Auctioneers, Flea Market Dealers or Tool Truck Salesman.
Spudland_Dave
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+1
I'm no old fart like my dad, nor am I flush with cash. Saying what I'm about to say surely makes me FEEL Older...but here it goes.
..in recent times I've found myself headed towards the smaller mom & pop/local outlets for anything I need. 5 years ago, Home Depot or Lowes were all I shopped when it came to home building materials, now its a local...same with electical stuff. When it comes to tools...tool trucks are virtually the only place 90% of America can still do tool related business with a handshake and a smile.The old addage of "Business goes where its invited & appreciated" pretty much sums it up for me.
AND As Hiball summed it up, there are a bunch of perks that come with being a regular..better pricing, sneak peeks, first dibs on deals, and "free" promo stuff...I LOVE my instinct handled Ice Cream Scoop & Pizza Cutter..and my wife does too. LOL
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cburnscrx
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And here in Indy there is a Snap On Classic 78 for $1500. Just wait and see what pops up. If you're not impatient, you can get a good deal.
mercman86
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Same reason why I bought a new one. Bought a new Mac box and have no regrets at all. All the used **** on craigslist at the time was either more than new or beat to hell.
cburnscrx
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I appreciate what you are saying, I really do, but let's not kid ourselves here. It's business, just business. I love "good customers"...ie people who make me money. I'll throw you all the freebies in the world as long as you keep spending money. It comes down to two very simple principles...volume or margin. If you're there all the time buying stuff, of course I can cut you a better deal, it's volume. If you're there once a year, it's margin. Nothing more, nothing less, just good business practice.
All those casino's in Vegas don't give away free rooms because they're losing money.
I appreciate what you are saying, I really do, but let's not kid ourselves here. It's business, just business. I love "good customers"...ie people who make me money. I'll throw you all the freebies in the world as long as you keep spending money. It comes down to two very simple principles...volume or margin. If you're there all the time buying stuff, of course I can cut you a better deal, it's volume. If you're there once a year, it's margin. Nothing more, nothing less, just good business practice.
All those casino's in Vegas don't give away free rooms because they're losing money.
Ehh? Yes.. Business's are there to Produce a Profit.. Taking Care of there Customers is what they should do, Agreed? Not sure who we are "trying to Kid". Its Fairly Straight Forward... If both parties are benefiting the Rest is neither here nor there..
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Mister Laugh
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I seem to have come under fire for answering the question. As for needing to spend 8k to get good warranty it's not neccecsary, and I didn't mean it like that, what I meant was because I am a good customer of my snap on guy he is more than willing to bend quite a few warranty rules for me, as well as turn a blind eye to abuse.
That being said if a used box makes you happy and you have the time to look for what you want do that. If you want to buy new do that. Don't buy something, because someone else told you to.
That being said if a used box makes you happy and you have the time to look for what you want do that. If you want to buy new do that. Don't buy something, because someone else told you to.
skyking
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If you are young enough..................sale the box and get a better education so you dont have to "wrench" for a living.
You guys bitching about who has the better box is like trash men saying "my gloves are better than yours !!
A chrome plated plunger does not make a better plumber !!!
Saying you love being a mechanic is like a fat girl saying she likes her "look".
Go ahead and take your best shot at me.I took my own advice years ago and retired wealthy and proud.
Trade your lunches at Taco B. for lunches at Three forks.
You guys bitching about who has the better box is like trash men saying "my gloves are better than yours !!
A chrome plated plunger does not make a better plumber !!!
Saying you love being a mechanic is like a fat girl saying she likes her "look".
Go ahead and take your best shot at me.I took my own advice years ago and retired wealthy and proud.
Trade your lunches at Taco B. for lunches at Three forks.
Nothing wrong with being a mechanic or a trash man.. Too many folks think they need a fancy education to amount to something in today's world.. Lots of educamated folks running around looking for work because they are above being in the service sector..
ganymede
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And an elitist too.
wafrederick
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Warranty too,don't get this with an used toolbox.I have seen a Dale Earnhadt Sr. Snap On tool box my Matco tool dealer took on trade and sold it for$6,500.00.Was in great shape,only ding that it had was in a trim piece.$17,000.00 when it was brand new.