Things people say about your tools.

[RCP]

I usually get the man your tools look dirty or worn out..your box is cluttered you need a bigger one. I'm a neat person but not OCD or ****. There not museum pieces they make me money every day.....the box doesn't match the side cab I get picked on for that I just tell them that box doesn't make a dime the tools do and I'm not compensating for a smal....well nvm. I work with alot of **** OCD tool borrowers it *****.

I dont think you really know what OCD is.

And yeah sure my work buddys ford truck has a different colored bed then cab, and still gets him to work; but dude does it look ghetto.

 

[joedodge]

I'm aware what it is and work with a couple guys who literally specifically space things out and check if stuff is put back and locked in multiples of three and all kinds of other stuff. Blows my mind honestly. Mismatch colors don't bug me any when the price is right its right

 

[kiatech]

Every day someone comments about my "chinese" tools

 

[papshadalac]

"Why do you waste so much money on the Snap On truck? Hey could I borrow your ______" At least once a week.......

 

[Fireball027]

We have a brand new guy that just started at our shop. Never worked on a car and doesn't own 1 tool, so he is using all of ours right now. Today I bought a set of Snap-on dead blow ball peen hammers. He asked how much I paid, told him 170.00. His eyes opened wide and responded with "You could have bought a hammer at the dollar store and it would have done the same thing."

I didn't know how to respond.

 

[Hafen_Kafer]

hahahahah the dollar store

 

[Heavy Metal Doctor]

I didn't know how to respond.

Easy - say "You fill your tool box, I'll fill mine..."

 

[Fireball027]

Easy - say "You fill your tool box, I'll fill mine..."

Ya.. I just shake my head at some of the things this guy says. He has only been there 2 days and unfortunatley I don't think he is going to last. My boss asked when he is going to get some tools and he said when he gets his "$800 tool grant" he is going to buy a welder and a torch set so he can build a toolbox then he can buy some tools as he will have a place to put them. We don't trust him using a lighter, let alone torches.

 

[cryan]

ummm.. if someone ever wasted my companies money on bs games and hazing they'd be fired. that kid and you are paid to work in some capacity and those games are wasting funds and running up labor... which causes lost contracts to employers due to going over budget. no offense to anyone intended, but this kinda stuff isn't ok.

If that's your attitude as an employer then I suspect that moral in your establishment is probably zero which will be costing you a lot more time and money lost than a little bit of workplace humour and team spirit. Let me guess, you spend a lot of time shouting at guys to get them to work?

 

[poprockcrusher]

WHY DO YOU NEED A BIG BOX LIKE THAT ? customer asked my co worker about my box

 

[cryan]

I'm an apprentice and have learned next to nothing at work in the past few months doing something very similar to what you describe. Lately I've only asked questions to avoid being yelled at. Seriously, all of the time, I ask how to do something that I already know how to do excellently in every sense of the word because either I'll get stopped and told to do it in an inferior way, or because it's just a ****** no win situation, and by passing the decision buck to the journeyman, not allowing them to ***** about the decision.

I highlight this as it really shows the wrong attitude although an attitude which seems to prevail amongst the youth of today's western world. It seems to me that you think that the work placement is a waste of time and that you have learned all you need to know from a book in college? That attitude will be easily picked up by the guys you work with, who, will have seen it a hundred times before. Perhaps there is a real reason to do something differently to what you thought? Why not do what they tell you then ask why it needs done that way. There is nothing wrong with asking questions as long as your not making the guy repeat himself a hundred times and preferably when he's not in the middle of an awkward moment. But if you think you haven't learned anything then I suspect the issue is more likely to be with you and not them.

I think that kind of stuff really exists simply because some people in the world are assholes for life and it's their best excuse for being an *******.

Getting all deep and philosophical about needing to battle and suffer so that you can appreciate what you have. You know how people never change? What if all of that bullying effort was in vain? What if it had zero affect on the apprentices character traits by the time they journey out. Is it not possible that if instead of wasting all of that time and effort with hazing and mindless work tasks, the apprentice spent all of that time learning their trade? Getting better and more knowledgeable at their trade. Sounds like a good way to reduce the amount of fresh journeyman that don't know what they're doing. Appreciating the job doesn't mean much if you find yourself unemployed due to a lack of skills/knowledge/speed.

There are between 40 and 86 hours in a western economy working week. I'm not sure how much time you think I advocate towards a bit of workplace humour but I would not expect it to be more than 30 minutes in a week. That leaves between 39.5 and 85.5 hours for you to get on with the serious business of learning a trade.
If you think everyone who does not instantly fall at your feet and tell you the secrets of life is an ******* then I'm sorry to tell you this but there are about 6 billion assholes in this world! The object of the game is not to pass out every apprentice as a journeyman it is to pass out every good apprentice as a journeyman. If you don't want it enough, don't put enough effort in, don't have the right attitude and waltz around like you know everything then yes you will find yourself unemployed without a trade and it will be nobody's fault but your own. However, if your keen, humble, hard working, willing to go the extra mile for your trade and your colleagues. Not scared to sweep up and make the coffee then you will go far and the world will be your oyster, and what's more YOU will have earned it.
Of course like most youngsters you might not realise this until its too late.

 

[MDSPHOTO]

People say all my tools look like they are brand new. Like most things, I buy the best I can afford and take excellent care of them.

 

[PatDoody]

Most people don't believe me when I mention I have a certain tool, usually the specialty ones most people dont own, or the heavy machinery; lathe, mill, lift truck etc. I think its mostly because I just had my 30th bday and have a tool collection most old men would be jealous of. but its a passion of mine.

 

[danielhp89]

Heard my dad tell my mom the other day while I was building a socket and ratchet organizer for all my new tools "I don't know why he is buying all these new tools, he won't use them."

Yesterday he started stripping the frame on our 70 chevelle project while I was was working on upfitting a police tahoe and he was cussing that he couldn't find an extension, so I wheelded over my toolbox showed him where everything was. Today I went out to the shop and helped him finish strip it. He commented on how nice it was to be able to find something when you needed it and to be able to wheel my box to the section we were working on. Later we went out to the local junkyard where a deceased elcamino that my dad owns rests and lifted the the back end up with the skid steer then checked the integrity of the rear end and torched it out, couldn't of been donewithout my montezuma truck box loaded with tools that he didn't know I had. Now he thinks he needs to invest in a loaded montezuma box.

 

[Kracin]

Heard my dad tell my mom the other day while I was building a socket and ratchet organizer for all my new tools "I don't know why he is buying all these new tools, he won't use them."

Yesterday he started stripping the frame on our 70 chevelle project while I was was working on upfitting a police tahoe and he was cussing that he couldn't find an extension, so I wheelded over my toolbox showed him where everything was. Today I went out to the shop and helped him finish strip it. He commented on how nice it was to be able to find something when you needed it and to be able to wheel my box to the section we were working on. Later we went out to the local junkyard where a deceased elcamino that my dad owns rests and lifted the the back end up with the skid steer then checked the integrity of the rear end and torched it out, couldn't of been donewithout my montezuma truck box loaded with tools that he didn't know I had. Now he thinks he needs to invest in a loaded montezuma box.

sounds like the age old lesson we all have to teach our wives/girlfriends.....

you either pay someone 300 to do it every time you need it done, or you spend 300 on the tools and parts, and never pay for it again.

 

[bcradio]

We have a brand new guy that just started at our shop. Never worked on a car and doesn't own 1 tool, so he is using all of ours right now. Today I bought a set of Snap-on dead blow ball peen hammers. He asked how much I paid, told him 170.00. His eyes opened wide and responded with "You could have bought a hammer at the dollar store and it would have done the same thing."

I didn't know how to respond.

Do they require you to share your tools with the new guy?... that would bug me:

Boss walks up "Hey we just hired a new guy without tools, so he'll be using yours too."

 

[joedodge]

No he won't lol

 

[kiatech]

Btw, my "Chinese" tools are knipex

 

[joedodge]

It's a shame people don't get it. They don't have to take a desk,staplers per,clips computer,copier or anything to work. We have to have everything and anything to make a dime. The people at my work managers and directors come in all the time wanting to borrow stuff or ask why do you need that what'd that cost.and then laugh and say smart comments. They buy us the shop tools and equipment but I buy most my own of that too because if I leave my tools leave with me.

 

[crewchief888]

when i 1st met the old lady all she said was "Impressive"

 

[pepi]

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Re: Things people say about your tools.
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Originally Posted by Ryf
ummm.. if someone ever wasted my companies money on bs games and hazing they'd be fired. that kid and you are paid to work in some capacity and those games are wasting funds and running up labor... which causes lost contracts to employers due to going over budget. no offense to anyone intended, but this kinda stuff isn't ok.


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If that's your attitude as an employer then I suspect that moral in your establishment is probably zero which will be costing you a lot more time and money lost than a little bit of workplace humour and team spirit. Let me guess, you spend a lot of time shouting at guys to get them to work?

@ cryan,

Believe it or not the better qualified and more professional workers, really prefer NOT to work around a bunch of clowns. I am not a boss nor an owner, I go to work to complete task that are on my plate, clowning around on the job is childish. Clowns if they only wasted their time would be fine the problem is that their stupid clown tricks get in the way of others.

Want to be a clown join a circus or find a playground with other children with a compatible mental age, kindly the leave rest us out of the trifling.
No offense intended but really some of my fellow workers need to figure out they are no longer in Hight school......... man up boys

 

[zkling]

I don't let too many people see my tools (Home DIY guy, so no need), but those that do...

"These look really old/antique, you sure they will work?"
"How come nothing matches?"
"What's this used for?"
"This looks neat"
"How does this work?"
"What is this called?"
"You have some nice stuff"
"I've never heard of this brand, is it any good? Where do you buy it?"

"Wow that thing is huge, are you sure you need one that big?"........Typically referring to my old box Syncrowave 250 or the arbor press, or the air compressor.

 

[NHBandit]

"why does one guy NEED 2 dozen 9/16 wrenches" "did those come over on the Mayflower" "why do you have 3 large toolboxes and still have stuff on the workbench as well" etc....

 

[shampoop]

First off gotta apologize for getting off topic, people are always impressed with my tools, the journeymen are typically very impressed that I always seem to have the right one at the right time. I've got a lot of them and they are all quality.

I highlight this as it really shows the wrong attitude although an attitude which seems to prevail amongst the youth of today's western world. It seems to me that you think that the work placement is a waste of time and that you have learned all you need to know from a book in college? That attitude will be easily picked up by the guys you work with, who, will have seen it a hundred times before.

Big assumptions. Reading comprehension is a great skill to learn in school. Sounds like you skimmed over my posts at best? As I stated quite the opposite of what you're describing. I agree with how important learning in the field is and that you can't learn everything from a book. Which is why I am so eager to learn in the field rather than being used for simple monotonous heavy labor for moths on end. That's the end goal, to be knowledgeable and skilled by the time I become a journeyman rather than just getting used.

Perhaps there is a real reason to do something differently to what you thought? Why not do what they tell you then ask why it needs done that way. There is nothing wrong with asking questions as long as your not making the guy repeat himself a hundred times and preferably when he's not in the middle of an awkward moment.

Actually very often there is a problem with exactly that. Many people have the attitude that apprentices are to be seen and not heard, and that you don't need to know why, just to do it.

But if you think you haven't learned anything then I suspect the issue is more likely to be with you and not them.

An assumption. Well it is a theory, just happens to be wrong. There's simply a limit to how many "ditches you can dig" before you're no longer learning anything new.

That leaves between 39.5 and 85.5 hours for you to get on with the serious business of learning a trade.

For a journeyman yes, but we're talking about apprentices, you need to subtract the time used to having the right attitude and sweeping the floors etc. Subtract the time used for being a hard worker and doing a bunch of simple heavy lifting labor all day. All of those things are great and needed, however they do take a monster sized chunk out of those 40 hours. Most of the time it's a vast majority of those hours.

If you don't want it enough, don't put enough effort in, don't have the right attitude and waltz around like you know everything then yes you will find yourself unemployed without a trade and it will be nobody's fault but your own. However, if your keen, humble, hard working, willing to go the extra mile for your trade and your colleagues. Not scared to sweep up and make the coffee then you will go far and the world will be your oyster, and what's more YOU will have earned it.
Of course like most youngsters you might not realise this until its too late.

More incorrect assumptions. You're projecting that I'm lazy and don't put in the extra effort, etc. "just like most youngsters". Attitude has nothing to do with the problem. I excel in all of those categories you talk about. The problem is "earning it" doesn't mean anything. When you show up to a job as a journeyman and don't have the skills you need that they're going to say "Oh well it's okay that you can't do the work, you've earned it." The goal is to become skilled and knowledgeable at the trade before it's too late. Sweeping and making coffee are great and have to be done, but apprentices don't get any better at their trade while doing it. That's why material handlers exist.

Sometimes you just have to admit when you're wrong. Wasting 4 hours of company time for hazing is just that, wrong. Unless you personally own the company in which case do what you please. Otherwise that's just ******** and the complete opposite of necessary. A great example of what I was trying to explain to the OP in that some journeymen are significantly flawed, over the top hazing that wastes company hours is a great example of a flawed journeyman.

 

[celticbhoy]

"why does one guy NEED 2 dozen 9/16 wrenches" "did those come over on the Mayflower" "why do you have 3 large toolboxes and still have stuff on the workbench as well" etc....

...... why do you need 24 9/16 wrenches

 

[85camaro]

My wife usually says, "I don't care if you use Snap on or some no name brand. I need the car in an hour."

 

[Kracin]

...... why do you need 24 9/16 wrenches

two types of people have 24 9/16 wrenches... maybe 3?


1. the guy who buys every tool in sight if its a "deal"

2. the guy who loses wrenches every time he works on something and then finds them the day after buying a new one.

3. the guy whose family buys him a wrench set for fathers day every year.

 

[NJHandyGuy]

it"s funny before sandy i got the hardware store and wow really comments after the sotrm my little toolbox does everything i need i get really your done what do you have in there

i actually wonder if iun needed my krl 1032

 

[NHBandit]

two types of people have 24 9/16 wrenches... maybe 3?


1. the guy who buys every tool in sight if its a "deal"

2. the guy who loses wrenches every time he works on something and then finds them the day after buying a new one.

3. the guy whose family buys him a wrench set for fathers day every year.

Actually there are 4 types... The type who has been wrenching professionally for 40 years and going to flea markets,, automotive swap meets and garage sales for just as long. You see a cool old toolbox on the ground and it has a few tools in it you can actually use. So you do the thing that seems perfectly logical to ALOT of us and ask.. "how much for the whole box"

 

[celticbhoy]

Makes sense lol

 

[cryan]

Believe it or not the better qualified and more professional workers, really prefer NOT to work around a bunch of clowns. I am not a boss nor an owner, I go to work to complete task that are on my plate, clowning around on the job is childish. Clowns if they only wasted their time would be fine the problem is that their stupid clown tricks get in the way of others.

Want to be a clown join a circus or find a playground with other children with a compatible mental age, kindly the leave rest us out of the trifling.
No offense intended but really some of my fellow workers need to figure out they are no longer in Hight school......... man up boys

I have spent my life as an Officer in the UK Merchant Navy. This is a job where one mistake can kill you and everyone around you. It is an industry where not only must you be an expert at your trade but that you must be part of a well oiled team, a brotherhood. Far from, "Clowning around," Team spirit and bonding is absolutely essential. It is not designed as bullying it is not designed to knock down an apprentice's or as we call them, Cadet's confidence. Quite the opposite it is designed to build them up as more rounded leaders of men. Mine is a world where the people you work with are also your house mates, your friends, your family but also your fire brigade, lifeguards, medics. We expect our Cadets to earn their profession. They must be entirely competent at their trade by the time they sit their exams but they must also be strong of character, humble, and human. If they are not then they are best left on the quayside. If they can't handle a bit of practical joking what are the chances of them handling the stress of a flooding engine room or a major fire at sea? and more being able to lead men in those situations? If you think asking a cadet to get a bucket of steam or make the tea is wrong then fine but our worlds are obviously different. I have trained 15 cadets over the years. I have nurtured them helped them and shown them the correct path. For their time under me they belong to me and I to them. I am responsible to their parents to make sure they get home and responsible to the company to make sure they learn and no one was prouder than me when they came out of their exams with their tickets. I may have to place my life in their hands one day so they have to be as perfect as possible, they won't be if I just lead them by the hand all the time. To me they are not just apprentices but brothers- but they have to earn that!

First off gotta apologize for getting off topic, people are always impressed with my tools, the journeymen are typically very impressed that I always seem to have the right one at the right time. I've got a lot of them and they are all quality.



Big assumptions. Reading comprehension is a great skill to learn in school. Sounds like you skimmed over my posts at best? As I stated quite the opposite of what you're describing. I agree with how important learning in the field is and that you can't learn everything from a book. Which is why I am so eager to learn in the field rather than being used for simple monotonous heavy labor for moths on end. That's the end goal, to be knowledgeable and skilled by the time I become a journeyman rather than just getting used.



Actually very often there is a problem with exactly that. Many people have the attitude that apprentices are to be seen and not heard, and that you don't need to know why, just to do it.



An assumption. Well it is a theory, just happens to be wrong. There's simply a limit to how many "ditches you can dig" before you're no longer learning anything new.



For a journeyman yes, but we're talking about apprentices, you need to subtract the time used to having the right attitude and sweeping the floors etc. Subtract the time used for being a hard worker and doing a bunch of simple heavy lifting labor all day. All of those things are great and needed, however they do take a monster sized chunk out of those 40 hours. Most of the time it's a vast majority of those hours.



More incorrect assumptions. You're projecting that I'm lazy and don't put in the extra effort, etc. "just like most youngsters". Attitude has nothing to do with the problem. I excel in all of those categories you talk about. The problem is "earning it" doesn't mean anything. When you show up to a job as a journeyman and don't have the skills you need that they're going to say "Oh well it's okay that you can't do the work, you've earned it." The goal is to become skilled and knowledgeable at the trade before it's too late. Sweeping and making coffee are great and have to be done, but apprentices don't get any better at their trade while doing it. That's why material handlers exist.

Sometimes you just have to admit when you're wrong. Wasting 4 hours of company time for hazing is just that, wrong. Unless you personally own the company in which case do what you please. Otherwise that's just ******** and the complete opposite of necessary. A great example of what I was trying to explain to the OP in that some journeymen are significantly flawed, over the top hazing that wastes company hours is a great example of a flawed journeyman.

I assure you son there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. But hey, you do what you feel is right and I'll do what I think is right and we'll meet on the other side and compare notes. I come here to chat about tools not to argue with apprentices about tea making techniques.

 

[Dennis93]

Cryan why must you be a douchebag.

They have excellent points as to why they are there to learn and people like you are just wasting everyone's time including your own. I have learned under both types of journeymen, and I have to say, the ones that ARE HUMBLE, CARING, and RESPECTFUL are nothing like the way you are and were always willing to teach. They expected me to do the menial tasks, but they also showed me the right way to do things and taught me instead of asking me to wipe their *** everytime they pooped for a year. I'm thankful for the good teachers I had that taught me the trade and pity the "apprentices" under you as they are nothing more than slaves the way you treat them.

 

[cryan]

Dennis 93,
What? I presume reading was not on your apprentice curriculum?
When did I say I expect apprentices to wipe my ****? What I said was that apprentices need to start off with the menial tasks. A point which you seem to agree with? In fact you seem to agree with all the points I made you just didn't bother to read the points I made. What I actually said was that I have nurtured every one of my apprentices and guided them down the correct path but that for me to give them that time and effort I expect them to turn up every day eager to learn. I expect them to ask questions and to study afterhours on the theory behind what they saw. I expect them to start by sweeping up and cleaning the coffee mugs but I expect them to progress from that fairly quickly(within a week or so) by showing that even after that they WANT to learn. What I won't stand for is what certain others on here have advocated is that when They have just swept up at the end of the day and I say, "Do you want to come and help me with this job?" That they reply, "No! I already know how to do that better than you so I'm off home!" Or apprentices who sit in the corner moaning that nobody is teaching them. Its not my job to go chasing after them trying to please them with great information, but if they make an effort to look over the shoulder and ask questions I'm all for helping them gain their full potential. Incidentally I don't consider good housekeeping as a menial task. It is the most important thing you will learn which is why it comes first. As for a few practical jokes, they might not be De Rigueur in factories etc but at sea they are essential for team bonding and not one way either. I have had some pranks played on me by sharp apprentices (the old engineers blue on the welding goggles trick)We may joke more than factory guys but then we don't clock in like factories or have little hitler foremen timing our bathroom brakes either.

Incidentally, The saying Douchebag intrigues me? Are you suggesting that I'm only fit to hold a womans hygiene accessory or are you cursing me to spend eternity as a feminin hygiene assistant? The latter does not sound too bad-giggity. Lol.

 

[Fireball027]

Do they require you to share your tools with the new guy?... that would bug me:

Boss walks up "Hey we just hired a new guy without tools, so he'll be using yours too."

He did until yesterday when I put an end to it. He has already lost a couple of my tools so now it has turned from training to babysitting. I lost it on him when he took my brand new F80 ratchet and socket without even asking and forgot it in a car. I told him he needs to replace it and he brought me some round head, rubber handled, no named POS. I didn't accept it, told him I want my snap on one. And his response.... They both do the same thing.

 

[Rickster]

Well..... if you figure 9/16 12pt combination wrenches that are standard length, long and stubby and then double that to include 6pt's.... that's 6.

Then there's the 9/16 double box offset and deep offset, the angle wrench, line wrench, the thin tappet wrench and the crows foot, that's another 6.

 

[Kracin]

Sounds like it depends on what industry you're talking about. The electrical industry is very different. Can't tell you how many times I've heard it's the journeymans job to teach from the higher ups. The apprentice's job to learn is a given. Duh. But there is a BIG difference between telling an apprentice hey go do that, vs. do this instead of that because of this reason. There is a thought process and a logical reason to do things a certain way, and to make the apprentice better, you need to share that information. People don't become professional athletes by watching sports on TV, they have experienced veterans others coach them.

I'm an apprentice and have learned next to nothing at work in the past few months doing something very similar to what you describe. Lately I've only asked questions to avoid being yelled at. Seriously, all of the time, I ask how to do something that I already know how to do excellently in every sense of the word because either I'll get stopped and told to do it in an inferior way, or because it's just a ****** no win situation, and by passing the decision buck to the journeyman, not allowing them to ***** about the decision.

NOTHING annoys me more than being expected to become skilled and develop expertise at a trade, but instead being instructed to perform mindless monotonous labor every day. The street goes both ways.

and nothing annoys the guys who have been doing it for a while more than a newbie who already knows it all but obviously isn't skilled enough to be called a journeyman or any other higher paid rate of mechanic or electrician depending on the place of work.


the first problem with some newbies/apprentice/etc is the sense of "ugh, why the hell do i have to do this, this is stupid". because they feel that it's pointless to do something like..... clean the shop, or clean up the press/lathe/mill, etc. when they could be out working on a project.

first thing to learn about being the new guy in an industry is that you are going to get the jobs that everyone else has already done as well that has to be done anyway, cleaning up, taking the trash out, organizing stock racks, running for parts.... it's all helpful in it's own way because if you get it in the new guys head that everybody has done it, and still does it, then they don't get that high and mighty sense that it's a waste of time.



i agree with cryan after reading through his posts, you don't seem to understand the relationship between a new guy and the guys who have been working in a shop for a while. work is a serious place, especially when it's a dangerous environment, but without the casual chatter, the once in a while joke, and the "hazing" as you think it should be called. then there is much less of a bond between the workers and more of a feeling of "being here because we have to be".




final words for you, chill out, deal with it, go with the flow, bite your tongue. you are apparently new to the game and think you know a better way of doing something.... great, then tell them that you think you know a better way and do it next time you do the job on your own and maybe it will work out. or even tell them while you are doing it and ask why it can't be done a certain way, they may have never thought about it like that. but if you get upset because they won't listen or don't want to listen because they've heard 100 other apprentice who know it all tell them the same thing before, then just shut up and wait til you are doing the job on your own then do your own thing. til then, be an apprentice

 

[Kracin]

He did until yesterday when I put an end to it. He has already lost a couple of my tools so now it has turned from training to babysitting. I lost it on him when he took my brand new F80 ratchet and socket without even asking and forgot it in a car. I told him he needs to replace it and he brought me some round head, rubber handled, no named POS. I didn't accept it, told him I want my snap on one. And his response.... They both do the same thing.

that is absolutely ridiculous..... i know the last apprentice they brought in at least went out and bought everything or close to everything on the first tool list. its a decent length of a list but not too extensive and everything could be had for less than 300-400 if you bought cheap (which would last until you got into the tougher jobs and specialty jobs), and then you could easily find a deal on a good size box for 150. ***** to hear that they expected you to share your personal tools with a guy who didn't care enough about work to get tools before getting hired, i would implore your boss to replace your missing tools if the apprentice fails to do so, or refuses to (if he cant afford a cheap box, he won't be affording a snapon ratchet and socket).





back on topic though, the things people say about the tools i keep is anywhere from nice, to wtf is that for, to cool i need one of those! i work with all types, but mostly the ones that use a tool that works regardless of brand, and use it a lot. probably why my air tools drawer is filled with a bunch of stuff from IR, snapon, HF,northern tool, craftsman, and more.

 

[Heavy Metal Doctor]

when i 1st met the old lady all she said was "Impressive"

Same here....too bad we left the garage and it was all downhill from there

He did until yesterday when I put an end to it. He has already lost a couple of my tools so now it has turned from training to babysitting. I lost it on him when he took my brand new F80 ratchet and socket without even asking and forgot it in a car. I told him he needs to replace it and he brought me some round head, rubber handled, no named POS. I didn't accept it, told him I want my snap on one. And his response.... They both do the same thing.

Sound like we all know how that guys story ends...just enough skill, ability, and drive to pull the french fries up outta the fryer when the timer goes off - a true professional


I have a helper mechanic who works for me that refuses to buy tools as long as he can avoid it. Has only the most basic hand tools because it's just not a priority to him. When I ***** enough that he needs to get his own "widget" and stop borrowing mine, he'll do it, though. And at least he replaces anything he looses with the exact same stuff.

 

[Kracin]

Same here....too bad we left the garage and it was all downhill from there





Sound like we all know how that guys story ends...just enough skill, ability, and drive to pull the french fries up outta the fryer when the timer goes off - a true professional


I have a helper mechanic who works for me that refuses to buy tools as long as he can avoid it. Has only the most basic hand tools because it's just not a priority to him. When I ***** enough that he needs to get his own "widget" and stop borrowing mine, he'll do it, though. And at least he replaces anything he looses with the exact same stuff.

the problem starts with losing anything in the first place.... how people simply lose a tool is beyond me.

 

[Heavy Metal Doctor]

the problem starts with losing anything in the first place.... how people simply lose a tool is beyond me.

You've NEVER lost anything??? Never got in hurry, got pressured, got pulled off a job in the middle to handle an "emergency", got phone calls / questions that distract you?.....Without EVER loosing anything, then you are really good!

I know I have lost a couple of individual tools here and there over the years. Nothing big / high value. #2Phillips screwdriver, 9/16 wrench, the occasional allen wrench used for an adjustment.

I have also found some stuff left behind - usually assorted wrenches and such...kinda the same as what I've lost. Most expensive finds where a brand new SO ratchet under the hood of truck (who knows who left it there) and a DA sander left by mfr's paint shop in a brand new machine (UPS'ed that back since I know the paint shop mgr).


Now, borrowing and then loosing someones else's tools is different - I have never done that. Period.