Wilton 9300N Project and Questions

[Goon]

Greetings forum, long time lurker first time poster!

I was up in Eau Claire Wisconsin for the 4th of July and I found a Wilton 9300S (S swivel base, not N) on Craigslist. Well, it has a few issues but I ended up buying it. This is my first Wilton so it's pretty neat.

I intend to restore this back to good functioning condition. It's currently battleship gray (reminds me of working for the school district) and I think I'll leave that alone.

I will straighten the turret lock handles.

I wanted brass jaws but these are so far gone I'm planning on replacing them with brass or bronze jaws. I've found a source for bronze ones but otherwise I don't know where to look.

I'm going to have to easy-out or notch the screws to remove them.

The cap pins are missing. Does anyone know where I can find these or what off the shelf part could fix it? I believe the factory part is a pin with ribs like a wheel stud. If all else fails I could cut a piece of round stock and tap it square a bit.

This side of the cap appears to have a small piece of metal broken, possibly from someone trying too hard to remove the pin. Is this something I should worry about? Possibly get it fill welded?

On the turret I noticed that one of the carriage bolts does not have a head. This doesn't make any sense to me, is that correct or should I replace it?

Thanks!

 

[zoomieport]

If you have or know someone that has the skill to weld it, I would, but I hear it kinda tricky, not a welder myself. But... Most of the force is applied when tightening, so it might be ok... Ask Autopts...

The top bolt is correct, the bottom one has been replaced...

Good Luck!

Zoom

 

[Goon]

Yeah, maybe I'll take it to a machine shop and see if I can get it mig welded for $20. It's hard to weld steel that thick with the typical garage welder.

I'll have to see if I can score a carriage bolt from ACE. It looks to be pretty course thread.

 

[rusty65]

The thread should be 1/4 20 but I would double check the one still their to be sure.

 

[Goon]

I managed to get one side of the brass jaws off. I broke an easy out during the process.

Is Wilton Vise Parts the place to get jaws?

 

[bigcaddy]

I managed to get one side of the brass jaws off. I broke an easy out during the process.

Is Wilton Vise Parts the place to get jaws?

Yes, the website is run by a member here and makes excellent replacement jaw inserts for just about every model/generation of Wilton vise produced. They will be an excellent fit for you vise.

 

[zoomieport]

Yes, the website is run by a member here and makes excellent replacement jaw inserts for just about every model/generation of Wilton vise produced. They will be an excellent fit for you vise.

^^^agreed^^^

 

[KMScott]

Yes, the website is run by a member here and makes excellent replacement jaw inserts for just about every model/generation of Wilton vise produced. They will be an excellent fit for you vise.

Thanks Bigcaddy, I have a pair of bronze jaws that fit the 9300 to donate to your restoration. Send me a PM soon. I am leaving on a fishing trip early tomorrow morning 7-11. If anyone else wants a set I have two more pairs left. I have never sold a bronze pair in a year and will not make or sell them once gone. 1/2 x 3/4 x 3" with 2" center to center 1/4 screws. Here is the listing.

http://wiltonviseparts.net/3-x-3-4-x-1-2-bronze-wilton-vise-jaws-fits-the-wilton-9300-and-101014/

Goon be sure to send pics of the finished vise.

 

[WWIIjeep]

Your vise is an "S" not an "N." The S means it has a swivel base vise. N would be a stationary base (the same vise body minus the swivel section).

The carriage bolt for the swivel base should be a 3/8"-16 UNC thread.

 

[Goon]

Thanks Bigcaddy, I have a pair of bronze jaws that fit the 9300 to donate to your restoration. Send me a PM soon. I am leaving on a fishing trip early tomorrow morning 7-11. If anyone else wants a set I have two more pairs left. I have never sold a bronze pair in a year and will not make or sell them once gone. 1/2 x 3/4 x 3" with 2" center to center 1/4 screws. Here is the listing.

http://wiltonviseparts.net/3-x-3-4-x-1-2-bronze-wilton-vise-jaws-fits-the-wilton-9300-and-101014/

Goon be sure to send pics of the finished vise.

KMScott, I sent you a PM and many thanks in advance!

 

[Goon]

Your vise is an "S" not an "N." The S means it has a swivel base vise. N would be a stationary base (the same vise body minus the swivel section).

The carriage bolt for the swivel base should be a 3/8"-16 UNC thread.

JEEP, thanks for the info on the bases. I was repeating what the seller told me but it's good to know the correct model.

I have the bolt with me today so that I can try to match it up at the hardware store. I think the lock handles are bent on the swivel because the headless bolt was doing nothing to lock the swivel and they just kept cranking.

Does anyone know where I can find the rear cap pins? I assume I should use two pins and not cheat and slip a long one through both sides?

 

[1982fxr]

that part where it's broken really doesn't matter. The pins, once inserted, only hold it in place for opening, not closing. Get it welded if you want, but not necessary. For temporary uses you can stick a one size smaller roll pin in there just to get by...

interested to see if anyone makes replacement pins for that?

 

[zoomieport]

I've found a pretty good selection of pins at Ace Hardware... Not sure if you have one nearby...

 

[Zrexxer]

Yeah, maybe I'll take it to a machine shop and see if I can get it mig welded for $20. It's hard to weld steel that thick with the typical garage welder.

For what it's worth, it's not steel. It's ductile iron.

 

[Goon]

For what it's worth, it's not steel. It's ductile iron.

Should I mention that if I do get it welded? For now I think I will try it as-is, as long as it's not rattling about it should be fine.

 

[Goon]

I've found a pretty good selection of pins at Ace Hardware... Not sure if you have one nearby...

I'm going to ACE tonight with to find the carriage bolt and new jaw bolts. I would like to get allen key bolts instead of a phillips head which are designed to limit the torque.

I will look at their pins and see what they got. I believe that the factory pin has a splined knurl that presses into the vise body and the rest of it is just round stock. A roll pin would be an easy way to get it up and running but the hole in the pin would defeat the "weather-proof" feature of the vise.

 

[zoomieport]

I'm going to ACE tonight with to find the carriage bolt and new jaw bolts. I would like to get allen key bolts instead of a phillips head which are designed to limit the torque.

I will look at their pins and see what they got. I believe that the factory pin has a splined knurl that presses into the vise body and the rest of it is just round stock. A roll pin would be an easy way to get it up and running but the hole in the pin would defeat the "weather-proof" feature of the vise.

The pins I'm talking about aren't rolled pins, the are very similar to the Wilton pin, minus the knurling. They've worked great for me on several restorations.

Good Luck!

ZOOM

 

[Goon]

The pins I'm talking about aren't rolled pins, the are very similar to the Wilton pin, minus the knurling. They've worked great for me on several restorations.

Good Luck!

ZOOM

How long should the pins be? Should they go through the body and the collar, or the body, collar and the spindle nut but not past the threaded inside of the spindle nut?

 

[1982fxr]

How long should the pins be? Should they go through the body and the collar, or the body, collar and the spindle nut but not past the threaded inside of the spindle nut?

They only go in part way. Play with it and you will see. Plan on cutting or grinding to length. And you only really need one pin

 

[kams1973]

Is it possible to rotate the end cap 90* and simply drill new holes?

 

[Goon]

Is it possible to rotate the end cap 90* and simply drill new holes?

No, as far as I can tell the spindle and the collar are keyed somehow. Maybe if I pop the wheel bearing cap off I could see something.

 

[Goon]

OK, so for my trip to ACE I found this for pins:

I didn't pick any out since I don't have references or measurements yet.

I bought four stainless allen bolts for the jaws. They didn't have the same length as my original so I went with 1/4 -20 x 3/4 which are a little longer than my extracted bolt.

I ended up getting the swivel bolts at Menards.
They are 1/2-13 x 2 (course thread 2 inches).

I did get them in stainless.

 

[KMScott]

Goon
The jaws come with 1/4:20 Socket Head Cap Screws. Do not buy any.

 

[zoomieport]

Goon
The jaws come with 1/4:20 Socket Head Cap Screws. Do not buy any.

MR. KMScott, is one of the top members of this forum, he has SKILLS and is a GENTLEMAN... Just saying...

 

[Goon]

mr. Kmscott, is one of the top members of this forum, he has skills and is a gentleman... Just saying...

All day long!

 

[othomas3]

You can rotate and drill. I had to do that to my "find" as it had one piece broken on the outer shell and I managed to break the other piece of the outer shell. Just measure, mark and drill. I used a drill press and shimmed the Wilton body level.

 

[gilbo]

i busted my cap as well when i did the resto on my wilton, what i did was wrapped the pin in wax paper, put the pin back in the hole,then used jb weld, left it over night, next day pulled the pin out. worked just fine and reinstalled everything

you can take a look in my sig for pics