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swireless2013

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Hi all,
I am looking for an easy solution for lighting my parents garage. Im not proud of my lack of electrical skills and something simple for my parents, so I am looking for something battery powered.

I would like something motion sensored for security on the outside, and maybe something for my dads work bench.

Any help or past experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: mrbeams.com is there home page, and here are the spotlights I ended up buying
http://www.mrbeams.com/products/30-ultrabright-outdoor-security-spotlight-white-mb380
 
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Trey T

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When it comes to those typse of batteries you're asking, batteries should not be cheap. Cheap batteries will yield cheap light; it just wont last long.

You can get a photo/video light stand and 100,160,or 200 LED video light for under $100. Add a 3hrs battery pack from Tekkeon will cost another $150. Light stand will be 1/4"-20 thread and the LED light will accept 1/4"-20. The LED lights will come with dimmer knob.

Not sure about outdoor....
 

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For the outside light, I'd recommended a solar light fixture.

For inside the garage, have you thought about just using an extension cord? I'm not recommending anything hard wired, but I'd think it would be a lot easier to plug in an extension cord than it would be to replace batteries.

- Rick

swireless2013 said:
Hi all,
I am looking for an easy solution for lighting my parents garage. Im not proud of my lack of electrical skills and something simple for my parents, so I am looking for something battery
powered.

I would like something motion sensored for security on the outside, and maybe something for my dads work bench.

Any help or past experiences would be greatly appreciated.




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swireless2013

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An electrical cord would work, but my garage is further from my house than just 20 ft. Ive tried asking around other people and so so reviews for Mr B.

Trey T, that sounds pretty simple for my dads work bench, but I still need some type of motion sensing spotlight that is realtively easy to install and not too expensive to maintain.
 

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How dark is the garage? What sort of work is going to be done there?

I'd look into a 15(ish) watt solar panel, marine battery, and 3W MR16 LED lights if its just to light the way out of the car... maybe simple task lighting.
 

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You would be very unhappy with this type of lighting. A motion detector type light would probably be going on and off all the time. Can't you run 110 volts from the house? Even an extension cord would be better than what you are wanting. How far is the house from the garage?
 
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swireless2013

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There is no power in the garage.

Its not so much about the final cost, but I want to keep installation, maintenance, and functionality simple. Price is important, in the long run more than just the beginning.


Thanks guys (and gals?)
 

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Go to your local big box home inprovment store.
They will have a selection of "solar securty lights."
Complete kits. Panels, batteries, wires, sensors, etc.
 

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Welcome to GJ . . . . . . you'll likely find that GJer's will give best advice when you update your profile with at least country and state.

Lots of difference in getting materials in various parts of the world.
 

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When it comes to those typse of batteries you're asking, batteries should not be cheap. Cheap batteries will yield cheap light; it just wont last long.

You can get a photo/video light stand and 100,160,or 200 LED video light for under $100. Add a 3hrs battery pack from Tekkeon will cost another $150. Light stand will be 1/4"-20 thread and the LED light will accept 1/4"-20. The LED lights will come with dimmer knob.

Not sure about outdoor....

Agree! Don't buy cheap light, i buy a cheap battery last time, it's not very good. LED light is ok.
 

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Hi all,
I am looking for an easy solution for lighting my parents garage. Im not proud of my lack of electrical skills and something simple for my parents, so I am looking for something battery powered.

I would like something motion sensored for security on the outside, and maybe something for my dads work bench.

The combination of (bright enough for a) "workbench" and "battery powered" is pretty much a contradiction in terms, IMCO. Throw "cheap" into the mix, and you are essentially asking for the impossible.

Attempting to do this with replaceable/disposable batteries (such as common dry cells -- i.e., "flashlight batteries") will likely put your parents in the poorhouse if the lights actually get used regularly.

Using rechargeable batteries is technically feasible; but unless you want to saddle your parents with lugging large, heavy batteries back and forth to the house for frequent recharging, you'll need probably half a roof-full of solar panels to keep the "tank" (so to speak) topped off -- and you'd still be looking at replacing the batteries every few years (they DO wear out), which won't be cheap.

Then too, "workbench" also implies tools of some sort -- particularly tools which require power. Yes, cordless hand-held power tools such as drills and sanders, are all the rage these days; but that's still more lugging back and forth, and more expense, and probably still doesn't cover everything your Dad might need (tho' admittedly, some systems are pretty extensive now; the Ryobi "ONE+" system in particular has caught my eye).

All in all, getting a professional electrician to run a line out to the garage from the house's main electrical panel would not only be the best solution, it would likely also be less expensive than either of these scenarios, at least in the long run. Presuming your Dad doesn't need anything exotic, such as a "serious" air compressor, a welder, or really big stationary power tools, something like a 30-Amp line and a small sub-panel should be more than sufficient.

Once you have real AC power in the garage, motion-sensor control for your outside security light becomes child's play. A separate motion sensor can be wired in to any standard exterior fixture; or fixtures with integrated sensors are commonly available.


There is no power in the garage.

Its not so much about the final cost, but I want to keep installation, maintenance, and functionality simple.

Installation is completely painless, presuming you hire someone else to do it. And nothing is simpler to use & maintain, or cheaper to operate over the long haul, than plain ol' 120VAC lamps & wall switches.


Price is important, in the long run more than just the beginning.

Then do it right, from the beginning.

 
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For daytime lighting you might look into a solar tube light. The inside part looks like a bathroom light type fixture, except there is no on off switch. Very bright light just using the sun and a mirrored tube from the roof to the room.
 

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... you'll need probably half a roof-full of solar panels to keep the "tank" (so to speak) topped off -- and you'd still be looking at replacing the batteries every few years (they DO wear out), which won't be cheap.

I won't dispute the need to replace batteries from time to time. I would like to dispute the need for "Half a roof of Solar Panels".

I just randomly picked Caribou, Maine (46.87°N latitude) as an example location. Caribou gets an average of 4.2kWh/m^2/day solar radiation. If you set your panels facing due south with a 46.87° angle up from the horizon, use an approximately 12% efficient PV panel (i.e. monocrystalline or polycrystalline panels, not that HF amorphous silliness), you could collect an average of 504Wh/day with only one square meter of solar array. So, if we're talking a 12V battery system with a full charge voltage of 14.2V, isn't that around 35Ah per day from 1 square meter of PV array? (ignoring some losses for a charge controller).

If you get some reasonably efficient 12V lighting, say some fluorescents or LED's, then 35Ah will go quite a long way, if you only need the electricity at night.

Solar skylights do work well. My favorite is still the third-world country version using a plastic soda bottle and a cap full of bleach in the water. :thumbup:
 

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I won't dispute the need to replace batteries from time to time. I would like to dispute the need for "Half a roof of Solar Panels".

Pardon my literary license; the "half a roof" characterization was probably a slight exaggeration. But the fundamental point remains: This just isn't practical, at least when there IS a reasonable alternative, in the form of conventional AC power.


I just randomly picked Caribou, Maine (46.87°N latitude) as an example location. Caribou gets an average of 4.2kWh/m^2/day solar radiation. If you set your panels facing due south with a 46.87° angle up from the horizon, use an approximately 12% efficient PV panel (i.e. monocrystalline or polycrystalline panels, not that HF amorphous silliness), you could collect an average of 504Wh/day with only one square meter of solar array. So, if we're talking a 12V battery system with a full charge voltage of 14.2V, isn't that around 35Ah per day from 1 square meter of PV array? (ignoring some losses for a charge controller).

I'll take your calculations at face value; but they are obviously based on "ideal" conditions. Consider this: We don't know the OP's geographical location; but if it is similarly northerly, just how much solar radiation do those panels collect during the Winter, when we can expect a foot or so of snow to be sitting on the roof of that unheated garage most of the time?


If you get some reasonably efficient 12V lighting, say some fluorescents or LED's, then 35Ah will go quite a long way, if you only need the electricity at night.

Not as far as you might think.

Let's assume this is a typical two-car garage. What would you consider a "barely adequate" (but not even close to generous) amount of interior lighting? My guess would be at least four 4-foot T8 fluorescent tubes; two for general illumination (preferably spaced apart on separate fixtures for semi-even light distribution) and two more over that workbench the OP mentioned. A standard 32-watt T8 tube puts out ~2,850 lumens. To do that with 12VDC LED lamps, such as these: <http://www.buylightfixtures.com/led-12-volt-light-bulbs.aspx> would require at least six times as many bulbs (they're billed as "40 watt incandescent replacement", which implies about 450 lumens), at nearly $50 each! And even though each bulb draws only a (claimed) 6.5 watts, the need for 24 of them brings our total consumption up to well over 150W. So even on those days when we're lucky enough to NOT have snow on the roof, we get about three hours of usage, max.

And what of the cost? Beyond ~$1,200 in light bulbs, you have at least several hundred (probably more like $1,000+) in the solar panels themselves and a good charge controller, another $1,000 or so (which would just about cover four decent Group 31 AGMs) in a semi-serious battery bank to ensure adequate reserves during less-than-ideal weather conditions, plus the (probably not inconsiderable) installation costs -- and after all this, his dad STILL can't run a simple hand-held power tool without schlepping batteries back and forth to the house.

Look, I'm not saying it can't be done. But I AM saying it can't be usefully done on the cheap (cf. this thread's title); and even if you throw cubic money at the idea, it winds up being an exercise in doing things the hard way -- and for a marginal-at-best final outcome, to boot.

 
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Incase it wasnt seen. I posted the light I purchased for them (http://www.mrbeams.com/products/30-ultrabright-outdoor-security-spotlight-white-mb380). I know everyone was pushing for electrical, but this seemed more feasible. It took less than 5 minutes to install.

My dad has had it up for about a month now, and no complaints. Since hes not out there too often after dark, I dont anticipate the batteries getting drained too fast. He said theyve only activated a few times when the dog was out.
 

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Incase it wasnt seen. I posted the light I purchased for them (http://www.mrbeams.com/products/30-ultrabright-outdoor-security-spotlight-white-mb380). I know everyone was pushing for electrical, but this seemed more feasible. It took less than 5 minutes to install.

300 lumens? Even if we believe they're really getting that out of four D-cells (and for how long?), that's not much of a "floodlight"; compare to, for example:

http://genet.gelighting.com/LightPr...EGORY=Lamps_Halogen_PAR_PAR38&BREADCRUMB=CATG

More to the point, it's a far cry from what you initially asked for, which was to "light up the garage", including adequate task lighting at your Dad's workbench.

My dad has had it up for about a month now, and no complaints. Since hes not out there too often after dark, I dont anticipate the batteries getting drained too fast. He said theyve only activated a few times when the dog was out.

I suppose if he's happy, and you're happy, that's all that really matters. But this is definitely one of the most striking examples of "moving targets" that I've seen lately.

 

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I'm sure I will get flamed for this as it is in no way shape or form proper, but neither is the question.

Grab a few solar panels from harbor freight to charge deep cycle marine batteries. Then run some cheap 55w automotive hid kits with some form of reflectors. Use your imagination and try not to burn the garage down.
 
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swireless2013

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Interesting..odds are I would burn the whole neighborhood down, but I will show this to my brother & see what he says.
 

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My first post so be gentle;) Been reading this thread and wondered what the outcome was?
I have a simple 8x17ft lock up garage (a few streets away from my house) here in England with no access to electricity at all. For my basic hand power tools I use a small generator which works well. In terms of lighting , there are a few MR16 5.5w led lights powered by a 110amp hr leisure(marine) battery which gets taken home for recharging which is tolerable as I dont use the lights everyday. I like to hear from anyone who has a successful off grid lighting system using solar!:thumbup:
 

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My first post so be gentle;)

OK. Then I will "gently" suggest that this probably ought to have been posted as a new thread, since your situation isn't really the same as the one discussed here. That said...

Been reading this thread and wondered what the outcome was?

The OP put up something which doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria he'd originally laid out, and about which I have some severe doubts. But he says he's happy, so...?

I have a simple 8x17ft lock up garage (a few streets away from my house) here in England with no access to electricity at all.

Let's be clear here: Do you mean simply that the garage does not currently have electrical service? Or that electrical service CANNOT be installed for some unspecified reason (and what would that reason be?)?

For my basic hand power tools I use a small generator which works well. In terms of lighting , there are a few MR16 5.5w led lights powered by a 110amp hr leisure(marine) battery which gets taken home for recharging which is tolerable as I dont use the lights everyday.

It may be "tolerable", particularly if you have little or no practical alternative at the moment. But it is obviously far from ideal. I know that I would certainly not like having to schlepp a 50-75 lb. battery back and forth, for example. And listening to that generator as you work would get old in a hurry, particularly if it is NOT one of the ultra-quiet Honda/Yamaha "inverter" types.

I like to hear from anyone who has a successful off grid lighting system using solar!:thumbup:

Solar may be one solution, or at least part of the solution; but it to do it right WON'T be cheap. Before "going there", is there ANY possibility of having electric service installed at the garage (even if you think it might be "too expensive")?

 
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