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I have a couple of 40-50 ft pine trees (18-24 inch diameter) that are leaning too close for comfort toward my garage. What happens when you drop a tree this big on an asphalt driveway? Can this be done without destroying the driveway?

By the way, I think pine trees belong deep in the forest where no one has to live near them and I curse the guy who planted mine. The sap, the incessant needle and cone litter, the weak root structure, the nonstop branches breaking off every time there is the slightest bit of wind.....other than cheap wood, these trees have no purpose. Rant off.

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You will probably make a decent dent in your driveway. The same thing happened to my cousin, but the tree was probably more like 80' tall. Either way, I do think you'll mess up your driveway for sure.
 

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Dunno what they will do to the asphalt, but...

Taking out trees is one of those things that I'll usually leave to the pros. Sure, if it's out in the middle of nowhere, I might fire up the chainsaw and cut it down. But if its close enough that I have to be worried about damaging something (asphalt driveway, garage, etc), I'll just call in my friendly tree removal folks. They'll cut it down in a way that won't damage anything, grind the stump, and all I got to do is watch the show and write a check.

Technique only.
 

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From my limited experience as I'm one of the younger members on the forum yes it will damage the asphalt driveway. I helped my uncle drop a couple around that height and it cracked his driveway. I will also add that delimbing any large diameter limbs would be a good thing as well because when my uncle and I dropped one of the trees the limb shattered but there was a 5inchx5inch or so portion that was still attached to the tree that left quite the hole in his driveway. Best of luck and be safe!
 
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Dunno what they will do to the asphalt, but...

Taking out trees is one of those things that I'll usually leave to the pros. Sure, if it's out in the middle of nowhere, I might fire up the chainsaw and cut it down. But if its close enough that I have to be worried about damaging something (asphalt driveway, garage, etc), I'll just call in my friendly tree removal folks. They'll cut it down in a way that won't damage anything, grind the stump, and all I got to do is watch the show and write a check.

Technique only.

Yeah, don't misunderstand me....my chainsaw isn't going near any 50-foot trees. :lol: There would be a tree inside my house for sure. There's definitely a lot of skill to cutting trees that big. I'm just planning the best approach.
 

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It'll tear the **** out of the asphalt, branches will push right through. You need to take it down piece by piece from the top. Find a friend with a Bucket Truck or call in a tree removal service.
 

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How close is the pine tree to the drive, and how wide are the lower branches?

If your lucky, the branches will act a a soft cushion to absorb a good portion of the impact! So the damage could be minimal to zerro!

Lost several large pines in past storms and really didn't do much damage at all!

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How close is the pine tree to the drive, and how wide are the lower branches?

If your lucky, the branches will act a a soft cushion to absorb a good portion of the impact! So the damage could be minimal to zerro!

Lost several large pines in past storms and really didn't do much damage at all!

AL

The base is about 6-8 feet from the driveway, lower branches are maybe 6" x 15-20'.
 

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The branches will break off and spear into the blacktop. You can skin one side up then make a nest of the branches to fall the tree on. Also truck tires work great but don`t do it in summer when the blacktop is soft wait till winter.
Or have a licensed insured pro get it on the ground for you then have at it.
 

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Let the pros do it. They would probably cut it down in sections. They make it look easy...:dunno:
 

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It'll tear the **** out of the asphalt, branches will push right through. You need to take it down piece by piece from the top. Find a friend with a Bucket Truck or call in a tree removal service.
Bingo, that is the way it is done. top it first and work your way down, use a long strong rope and have someone on the pull rope to make sure they drop where you want them to go. Not really hard at all.
 

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Pine trees will not damage the pavement. Think about all of their soft branches, etc. It's not like the whole tree is coming down on a limb like it would with an Oak. It will land every so gently if you cut slow and have someone pull slow. I've done it before... even onto concrete.

pulling trees while cutting is a no no, unless absolutely necessary to keep from getting into a structure. and pine trees will punch holes in asphalt just as any large tree will.

also, you do not fell a tree cutting it slowly, EVER, especially pulling it with a rope. you cut as fast as you can, reasonably and safely, until the tree is falling, then you back out. ever see a tree barber chair? youtube it.

please dont give tree removal advice if you are not experienced in tree removal. trees will kill you very quickly.

OP, pine trees are pretty easy removals generally. are there reasons why the tree can not be felled in another direction instead of onto the asphalt drive? if not, delimbing, then chunking the main trunk out in couple foot sections as you go down is not all that bad of a job for someone with climbing gear and a good saw. 40-50ft pines are cake.
 
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I had to remove 8 or 9 very large pine trees that were blocking my solar panels. Some were heavily leaning towards the panels and would have destroyed them if cut. A friend with a logging skidder hooked on them, used a ****** block and cable attached to other trees, pulled them in a direction away from the panels, and then cut them This might be an option if you have room to drop them away from the asphalt.
 

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That is how the city forestry crew removes damaged or diseased boulevard trees here. They block off the street from traffic and drop the tree onto the asphalt street. I've never seen even a scratch on the blacktop when they finish.
 

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That is how the city forestry crew removes damaged or diseased boulevard trees here. They block off the street from traffic and drop the tree onto the asphalt street. I've never seen even a scratch on the blacktop when they finish.

^^^^ This. I hate pine trees near the house too! I drop pine trees onto my asphalt driveway all the time. I live in the woods, I have 5 chainsaws, if I hired a tree service every time I'd be bankrupt by now. If you're worried about the pavement, just wait for a cold day this winter.

BUT, you should definitely hire a tree service if those pines are anywhere near your house. We just had some oak limbs overhanging the garage removed, and the professionals make it look easy.
 

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That is how the city forestry crew removes damaged or diseased boulevard trees here. They block off the street from traffic and drop the tree onto the asphalt street. I've never seen even a scratch on the blacktop when they finish.

Most roads have a thicker base and more asphalt than a driveway.

Look at it this way: What will cost more - paying a tree guy to cut down the pines, or paying a paving guy to replace the driveway. Call the tree guy.

Last winter, my tree guy charged me $800 to take down two 20" diameter pines that were right behind my garage (to make room for the future addition :D) and grind the stumps. I just paid $6000 to have the driveway paved last month.
 

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I have to go with the idea that the branches of a Pine will cushion it’s fall.
Pines are different then hardwoods in that the branches go all the way to the ground and are thick all the way up.
I would not worry about damage to your driveway.
 
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I wouldn't worry about driveway damage..can't imagine it would be an issue. I had (6) 30-40' pine trees taken down at the top of my driveway 2 years ago for all the same reasons. I was going to cut them down and called a tree company for a quote to just come and chip the brush pile and grind the stumps. Guy said he'd be right over for the quote. Came 20 minutes later..said $600 to do it all (including dropping them). I said "hell ya" and his guys were there 2 hours later.
 

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we laid old tires on a concrete driveway when I cut a some trees a few years ago. they weren't pine trees though. no damage to the driveway. I don't recall if we used two layers or one.
 

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we laid old tires on a concrete driveway when I cut a some trees a few years ago. they weren't pine trees though. no damage to the driveway. I don't recall if we used two layers or one.

Old tires or a layer of plywood, is what I'd recommend, too. (Typically, they are used to "comfort" the homeowners anxiety.) The tree isn't going to "slam" when it comes down. Smaller chunks, will.

I've done it more times than I can count, and I have also used a rope to pull it into "my direction."

Either way, if you aren't comfortable, don't do it.

Good Luck and make sure the Video Camera is running......so we all can see the fun.....
 

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If its got a decent amount of branches on it I wouldnt worry. Pine branches are so soft that most times they wont even harm the dirt they fall on unless its really soft, nevermind asphalt. Worst case, find someone with a decent sized dozer to hitch onto them and pull them away from the asphalt while youre cutting. Pulling on trees to steer them is very common practice amongst professionals. 40-50 ft and 18-24" at the ****....not that theyre worth much but you might consider selling them if youve got a pole grinder nearby.
 

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I'v cut many a tree down in my lifetime. Some have behaved as I expected. Some have surprised me. When I take a tree down that is up close to something of value I use a telephone and a check book.
 

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I used to be a landscape foreman and I was head of the tree division. I always cut a wedge out of the tree to act as a hinge. I cut slow if I am near something until the cut starts to open. I move back and let my guy pull on a rope by hand until it starts to go... then we watch it hit the ground. So yes, I will give advice. And as always, it's easier to say it in person, than it is to type it out and try to get people to understand what you are saying.

the fact that you advocate using a rope to pull a tree over speaks enough itself.

wouldnt be the first time i have heard of self proclaimed "professional" tree guys doing things in unsafe and unprofessional ways. no different than any other profession really. big red flag of an amateur is seeing people pulling trees over with a rope. there are instances where ropes will be used to aid in felling(small trees), but its more of a special situation thing. nearly all trees can be felled in a specific direction, even with back lean on them(backcut wedging). your notching is what decides which direction the tree falls, pulling a rope should not, and if its a tree of any size, it wont. cutting too slowly, or cutting and stopping, cutting and stopping is asking for a barber chair scenario.

a point to note. more people are killed felling trees, than any other task when dealing with trees. again, google or youtube "tree barber chair".

worked for the largest international tree company in the world. cleaned up many a tree after katrina and other hurricanes all over the south from miami to texas during hurricane seasons. but by all means, rope away buddy, you will figure it out. :thumbup:
 

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Can say more than twoinch. He pretty much nailed it. Pulling trees is not a good idea. Guiding with a rope is OK, but your notch and back cut are what steers the tree whe you want it.

I bailed out a friend who messed up dropping a tree at his cabin. Got it hung up overl the trail to the lake. Luckily it was small and I could thank him through the problem. Drove. 1 1/2 hours out there to drop another tree between his cabin and the next one, dropped it, brushed it out and bucked it up in 1/2 hour, then drove home. After watching me drop the tree, he said he would never gripe about what an arborist charges again.

Paying for a tree removal is cheaper then paying for a new driveway, garage repair, trashed chainsaw, or god forbid, an ER visit.
 

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Started with chainsaws back in the 70s with Nova Scotia DNR. Been using them quite a bit since those days, probably knocked down a couplr of hundred trees over the years. Had 4 big Spruce in front of the house and called a climber I know to take them down. I'm good with a saw, but I also know my limitations.
 

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Thanks for the tips on the barbour chair deal, I have never heard of it before. This thread was an eye opener for a few things I've been doing that are big safety hazards.
 

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I keep seeing "not a good idea to hook a cable/ rope and truck to a tree to pull it over".....

Why isn't it a good idea?
even if its just to be absolutely sure it goes where it needs to be.
 
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If you live in an area that it snows, do it in the winter, let the snow build up and then drop the trees, it will add extra cushion.
 

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I have to go with the idea that the branches of a Pine will cushion it’s fall.
Pines are different then hardwoods in that the branches go all the way to the ground and are thick all the way up.
I would not worry about damage to your driveway.

I agree with this. A typical pine tree has multiple smaller branches to spread out the energy of the fall. Not a couple of large limbs that come crashing to the ground in just 2-3 places. I don't know, think of the straws of a broom hitting a table vs. the broom handle.

Also, if you are at all unsure about the proper way to drop a tree, call a pro. I drop literally dozens of trees each year, but all of them out in the woods. I still have some that totally baffle me and fall in the wrong direction. I get very nervous dropping one where precision is necessary. The cost of a pro will be negligible compared to repairing a house/garage/vehicle.
 

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the fact that you advocate using a rope to pull a tree over speaks enough itself.

wouldnt be the first time i have heard of self proclaimed "professional" tree guys doing things in unsafe and unprofessional ways. no different than any other profession really. big red flag of an amateur is seeing people pulling trees over with a rope. there are instances where ropes will be used to aid in felling(small trees), but its more of a special situation thing. nearly all trees can be felled in a specific direction, even with back lean on them(backcut wedging). your notching is what decides which direction the tree falls, pulling a rope should not, and if its a tree of any size, it wont. cutting too slowly, or cutting and stopping, cutting and stopping is asking for a barber chair scenario.

Theres nothing wrong with using rope or pulling on a tree. If youve only ever used the backcut to guide trees then you must not have ever worked in the woods....tho in your defense Indiana doesnt have any real woods. My grandfather's mill has been cutting wood for over 50 years now and we had a woods crew a good portion of that, specializing in higher end oversized hardwood that often had to be removed from fun areas. Pulling trees was a daily occurence out of necessity and Ive shown pics on here before of it being done properly in a machine equipped to do so. As for the rope method, I know guys who use rope to "limit" the tree's ability to pull back on machines in tricky situations simply bc it breaks at a much lower force than chain or cable (before the machine moves), and hand guiding small trees with a long rope is nothing new either. A tree really cant harm you if you stay outside its reach, so long rope + knowing when to let go = safe.

Admittedly, I grew up working with true woodsmen, not amateurs or "tree service professionals" with little/no formal training in cutting wood.
 
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The pros will cut them in sections top them, the advantage.

I have seen some pretty big stuff hit the road out here. We had a tornado come through and knock the hell out of the neighborhood. Many and I mean many pines down through out, the roads were not effected, it has been 5 years in the past. Concrete a whole different story, I believe the softness of the asphalt is the advantage.

My $0.02
 

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My mom had a tree removed about the size you are describing. It was about 20-24" in diameter. It fell to the left and on the concrete drive way. It was about a 15x15 park pad. Put a nice crack through the concrete about 3 or 4 feet long. The tree guy paid the concrete guy and avoided filing an insurance claim. It was a mess.
 

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Theres nothing wrong with using rope or pulling on a tree. If youve only ever used the backcut to guide trees then you must not have ever worked in the woods....tho in your defense Indiana doesnt have any real woods. My grandfather's mill has been cutting wood for over 50 years now and we had a woods crew a good portion of that, specializing in higher end oversized hardwood that often had to be removed from fun areas. Pulling trees was a daily occurence out of necessity and Ive shown pics on here before of it being done properly in a machine equipped to do so. As for the rope method, I know guys who use rope to "limit" the tree's ability to pull back on machines in tricky situations simply bc it breaks at a much lower force than chain or cable (before the machine moves), and hand guiding small trees with a long rope is nothing new either. A tree really cant harm you if you stay outside its reach, so long rope + knowing when to let go = safe.

Admittedly, I grew up working with true woodsmen, not amateurs or "tree service professionals" with little/no formal training in cutting wood.

i dont even see where you disagree with what i said.

there are instances where ropes will be used, but it is not how you fell trees normally. i also already stated that guiding smaller tree with ropes is common, but also kind of unnecessary.

i also never said anything about the rope guys being injured. when you have guys pulling a tree while you are making a back cut, you are risking a barber chair event, which would injure the saw guy, not the rope guy.

another problem, which was my initial point, is that its all too common for "tree guys" to rely on ropes to ensure trees fall the proper direction. true loggers, or professional tree guys dont do this, with some(few) exceptions in certain instances. they do not rely on ropes as a standard, day in and day out. sign of an amateur is roping a tree that does not need roped, or roping all trees and pulling them over. its bad practice, and understood as so.

i worked out of indiana, which has real woods just as any other state. worked for a worldwide company, with formal training, and worked all across the country. like i mentioned earlier, did tree work from miami to texas along the southern coastal states after hurricanes, and many northern states during ice storms and outages. indiana may not have redwoods, but we have enormous hard woods, very large/tall cottonwoods, pines pretty much everything you will find anywhere else. logging in the "woods" is so much different than removing large trees around structures, i dont understand why it was mentioned... :dunno:

definitely not a "local tree expert"
 

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A tree really cant harm you if you stay outside its reach, so long rope + knowing when to let go = safe.

Admittedly, I grew up working with true woodsmen, not amateurs or "tree service professionals" with little/no formal training in cutting wood.

Just remember when felling trees the axciom that trees you cut down are longer than they are tall.

Not really obviously, but I think (and a bunch of Youtube videos can confirm) that sometimes that tree didn't look that tall until it hit your house or your car...
 

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All one needs is a thread about tree work to see a bunch of grown men try and slap each other in the shins with their dicks.

I see it this way, a big truck owned by a tree removal company will probably do more damage to the asphalt with the chipper and grinder than any of the tree. If not, then I don't see the tree hurting the drive either.

But, I'm not there. That might be the point. If you're not there, roll up your ****.
 
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