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Nick_Wa

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Wanted to run 3 rows of three 4' 2 bulb t8 lights in my garage and found some troffer lights with electronic ballasts for 100$ (for all 9).

I'm wondering if:

A. Would they be brighter if I cut the surround off so they are just like strip lights and
B. Is flush mounting these the way to go?

Thanks all.

Edit: Added picture of the lights in question.
 

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You want as much of the light as possible directed down. So if you remove any part of the reflector that does that, you will simply send the light into the ceiling, making it less effective.

Would two-lamp or four-lamp shop luminaires with reflectors not be cheaper?
 

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Wanted to run 3 rows of three 4' 2 bulb t8 lights in my garage and found some troffer lights for 100$.

Do you mean $100 per fixture? If so, that doesn't strike me as a bargain.

I'm wondering if A. Would they be brighter of I cut the surround off so they are just like strip lights and B. Is flush mounting these the way to go?

As "Nestor" pointed out, removing the reflector will cause the light to be spread more widely to the sides (and perhaps up), which in turn will diminish the output in the downward direction. How desirable (or not) this is will be partially dependant on the height of your ceiling (which, based on your avatar pic, I'm guessing is only 8-9 feet); but even assuming a relatively low ceiling, it's not likely to be the ideal solution.

I've pointed these out before:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-Light-Utility-Light-3348-2L32W-WRAP/100654395

For less than $22 each, they seem hard to beat for simple effective garage lighting when you don't have 15 feet or more of mounting height to play with. You can use a relatively large number of them without busting the budget, which will not only provide lots of light, but also yield nice even illumination. It also lends itself to splitting the lighting into several banks so that you don't need to turn on everything for just casual (or "walk-through") use.

 
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Do you mean $100 per fixture? If so, that doesn't strike me as a bargain.

No $100 for the lot of 9. I've attached a picture of the lights.

2ManyProjects said:
As "Nestor" pointed out, removing the reflector will cause the light to be spread more widely to the sides (and perhaps up), which in turn will diminish the output in the downward direction. How desirable (or not) this is will be partially dependant on the height of your ceiling (which, based on your avatar pic, I'm guessing is only 8-9 feet); but even assuming a relatively low ceiling, it's not likely to be the ideal solution.

It is 8' ceiling unfortunately. I would like to pop it up to a 10' or 12' by lifting, adding knee walls, and setting back down, but don't really think its feasible.

I thought since the light is enclosed, cutting off the sides would allow more spread of light which I would think is important with my 8' ceilings.

I've pointed these out before:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-Light-Utility-Light-3348-2L32W-WRAP/100654395

For less than $22 each, they seem hard to beat for simple effective garage lighting when you don't have 15 feet or more of mounting height to play with. You can use a relatively large number of them without busting the budget, which will not only provide lots of light, but also yield nice even illumination. It also lends itself to splitting the lighting into several banks so that you don't need to turn on everything for just casual (or "walk-through") use.

I have some strip lights right now, just temporary, that were $20 a piece and are plug in. I could go with all those and hardwire them in but would still be more than the $11 the guy wants for each of the lights I posted a picture above of.
 

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My suggestion is to use these, either in 2 or 4 lamp configuration:

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Run a 2X4 on top of the rafters crossways and mount the lights between your rafters. It will keep them recessed (for the most part), while maximizing their use.
 
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I'm just worried if I use the troffers and fit them between the rafters, I will lose alot of "side" light and most will go straight down (due to the sides). The 2 cheap strip lights I have now (with no sides) are quite bright and I am just worried these with enclosed sides/ends won't be.
 

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No $100 for the lot of 9. I've attached a picture of the lights.

OK... So now I understand your attraction to those particular fixtures. ;) However, if you're willing to spend an extra $100 or so, I still think the HD-specials I pointed at would be better in the long run.

IIRC, in another thread you mentioned that you were planning to sheath the interior framing in OSB or similar. I presume this would include the ceiling (which it near-certainly should, for all sorts of reasons). If so, this would make doing any sort of recessed or semi-recessed mounting much more complicated, which in turn makes using either those troffers or the utility fixtures suggested by Nestor somewhat problematic. A troffer will never look right when surface mounted; and you'd have to hack it up (probably making it even uglier) to get the sort of wide light distribution you want. The utility fixtures would presumably be easier to surface mount; but their reflectors will be counterproductive in your application.

Whereas, those HD fixtures (or similar one from other sources; I only used that particular model as a handy and near-universally available example) are easily surface mounted, and will provide good light spread when so installed -- especially if you paint the ceiling bright white.

It is 8' ceiling unfortunately. I would like to pop it up to a 10' or 12' by lifting, adding knee walls, and setting back down, but don't really think its feasible.

That does seem ambitious -- enough so to make any concerns about spending $200 vs. $100 on light fixtures laughably silly.

I thought since the light is enclosed, cutting off the sides would allow more spread of light which I would think is important with my 8' ceilings.

It would probably accomplish that purpose, to at least some extent; but I can't imagine you being happy with it in the long run. If even ~$22/fixture is too rich for your blood, you'd probably be better off looking for some cheap bare-tube (no reflector, no diffuser) strip fixtures, as opposed to hacking up something that was never designed for the sort of use you are envisioning.

I have some strip lights right now, just temporary, that were $20 a piece and are plug in. I could go with all those and hardwire them in but would still be more than the $11 the guy wants for each of the lights I posted a picture above of.

Don't take this the wrong way, but... Is the difference between $10-11/fixture and $20-22/fixture really all that big a deal? Look at it this way: For the nine (or so) fixtures you've been contemplating, over the course of the first year's use, that's only about $2/week. And then it's paid for, forever. Can you drink one less beer per week for a year, if need be?

I'm just worried if I use the troffers and fit them between the rafters, I will lose alot of "side" light and most will go straight down (due to the sides).

That's more a function of the fixture than the mounting method; but to some extent, it's two sides of the same coin. And in some cases (such as directly over your workbench, for example), that may be just the ticket. But for general illumination of your garage/shop as a whole, the eight-foot ceiling is the limiting factor. Given that, you need to either allow the light to spread out as much as possible or use a greater number of fixtures, in order to keep the illumination reasonably even.

The 2 cheap strip lights I have now (with no sides) are quite bright and I am just worried these with enclosed sides/ends won't be.

Don't confuse brightness with beam spread. Based on that comment, it sounds to me like you are mostly impressed with how well those two strip fixtures light up the whole space, as opposed to how bright they really are in one particular spot (such as directly under them). A more directional fixture will provide the latter, at the expense of the former; hence the need for more of them to cover a given area.

 
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Wow, thank you for that detailed information.

Yes I see what the difference would be now, brighter light in small area vs more area lit.

The strip lights with no reflectors that I have now would be bright enough for me if spread around the garage.

Yes im planning to do painted OSB on walls and ceiling.

Unfortunately in Canada, there are only the 17$ strips like I have then next up for surface mount are $45. At least locally here. That's why I'm reluctant to buy new. Home depot in the States is definitely cheaper.

About lifting the roof, I have bottle jacks so I think the only cost would be 2x4s, nails, and some sheeting. Not much cost but worried about lifting my stick built 35 year old rafters.

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