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Alright fellas, I'm a diesel guy, I know them I love them, end of story. However, I just got into agriculture side of service and a lot of my tools I don't touch. So what do you guys recommend me getting for this line of work.

I have all my wrenches, except angle head/offset/4 way. Sockets, guns l, ect. Any suggestions on helpful tools for my line of work?
Thanks.
 
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I would guess most Ag equip these days is metric as well. If you mess with hydraulics any amount, Crowfeet are helpful along with angle wrenches.

I picked up an IR 2141 3/4 impact and so far it's one of the best things I've bought, but It's something that I really shouldnt have had to have bought, but I got a deal on it.
 

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Pretty well anything newer will be metric these days,but around here atleast there is still alot of older equipment that goes through the dealerships that have some standard bolts. Pry bars,aligning bars are helpful. I only use a 1/2 impact gun on the farm but the dealer service techs seems to use their 3/8 impact guns for alot of the work they do. A set of impact swivel sockets would be very helpful as well.Angle wrenches in some situations.Other times it takes modifying existing tools.I have a 1-1/8 stubby wrench.As in a 1-1/8 wrench I had to cut in two and use the short box end on some axle housing bolts on a Versatile tractor.
 
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Does Mac or snap on even make large crowfoot wrenches (1"-11/2")? Ill have to look into that. And I've been looking for good deals on that 3/4" IR, I'm just waiting for a good deal. Anything else you use? Thanks man!


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Pretty well anything newer will be metric these days,but around here atleast there is still alot of older equipment that goes through the dealerships that have some standard bolts. Pry bars,aligning bars are helpful. I only use a 1/2 impact gun on the farm but the dealer service techs seems to use their 3/8 impact guns for alot of the work they do. A set of impact swivel sockets would be very helpful as well.Angle wrenches in some situations.Other times it takes modifying existing tools.I have a 1-1/8 stubby wrench.As in a 1-1/8 wrench I had to cut in two and use the short box end on some axle housing bolts on a Versatile tractor.

Yes you are correct, everything on these machines are standard, metric is all engine components. I've found myself modifying wrenches as you said and they make life so much easier when you can just make it work. To be honest I only use a 3/4" gun on lugs, but my half will take them off with just a little more time per lug. I love my swivel sockets they make life easy, especially with a cordless impact!


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I'd say it will develop as you go...all depends on what specific work you get into and how well supported the line is (special tools provided by the shop / mfr).

A couple of things come to mind, though:
Pressure gauges / assorted adapters for testing hydraulic systems.
Optical tachometer for checking power transmission (pulleys / shafts) speeds.
Big adjustable wrench for odd hydraulic lines / fittings (some are cast pieces neither metric or standard wrench sized)
Assortment of cheapo wrenches to cut up / weld to in order to make special / limited access tools.

I have just recently started to add on a lot bigger metrics (over 21mm) as that is getting more and more common.
 

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I have SO 1/2" Crowfeet up to 2". I could not function without Crowfeet. Angle wrenches are very handy. I have 2 sae sets up to 1 5/8" and a metric set up to 27mm. Depending on what you are working on, 3/4" isn't a must. I use to work at Deere mostly on 7000 to 9000 tractors and I didn't use 3/4" a lot. On average the biggest bolts are 1 1/4" head. Even wheel service I used 1/2" most of the time. Shop 3/4" torque wrench for final check.
 
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I'd say it will develop as you go...all depends on what specific work you get into and how well supported the line is (special tools provided by the shop / mfr).

A couple of things come to mind, though:
Pressure gauges / assorted adapters for testing hydraulic systems.
Optical tachometer for checking power transmission (pulleys / shafts) speeds.
Big adjustable wrench for odd hydraulic lines / fittings (some are cast pieces neither metric or standard wrench sized)
Assortment of cheapo wrenches to cut up / weld to in order to make special / limited access tools.

I have just recently started to add on a lot bigger metrics (over 21mm) as that is getting more and more common.

Those are great suggestions, thank you. I have a ton of metric stuff thankfully so I'm just starting to get my standard collection up and around. I'm going to write your suggestions down, thanks again!!


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I have SO 1/2" Crowfeet up to 2". I could not function without Crowfeet. Angle wrenches are very handy. I have 2 sae sets up to 1 5/8" and a metric set up to 27mm. Depending on what you are working on, 3/4" isn't a must. I use to work at Deere mostly on 7000 to 9000 tractors and I didn't use 3/4" a lot. On average the biggest bolts are 1 1/4" head. Even wheel service I used 1/2" most of the time. Shop 3/4" torque wrench for final check.

I'm going to look up the part number for the crowfoot set, thanks great to know. Thanks!!


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What brand are you going to work on? From my experience going from cars to ag, there were a lot tools I took home and bought what I needed as I went. My experience has been the ag shops I worked it, there was a ton of shop tools to the point a guy could make it with a 300 piece craftsman set. So having everything day one is not necessary.
 
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What brand are you going to work on? From my experience going from cars to ag, there were a lot tools I took home and bought what I needed as I went. My experience has been the ag shops I worked it, there was a ton of shop tools to the point a guy could make it with a 300 piece craftsman set. So having everything day one is not necessary.

I'm working on Hagie sprayers and detasslers. There is a shop box but I never touch it, if I have what I need I try to stay away from other people's tools. I have taken quite a few tools home to my cart for the garage. So it isn't all bad I guess. I have a good start, but there's always something I can get to make life easier, that's where you guys come in.


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I'd say it will develop as you go...all depends on what specific work you get into and how well supported the line is (special tools provided by the shop / mfr).

A couple of things come to mind, though:
Pressure gauges / assorted adapters for testing hydraulic systems.
Optical tachometer for checking power transmission (pulleys / shafts) speeds.
Big adjustable wrench for odd hydraulic lines / fittings (some are cast pieces neither metric or standard wrench sized)
Assortment of cheapo wrenches to cut up / weld to in order to make special / limited access tools.

I have just recently started to add on a lot bigger metrics (over 21mm) as that is getting more and more common.


^^^ sounds about right.

When looking at crows feet make sure they have the indent in the drive square for a locking detent, or find a set of locking extensions that work with them. It is a true PITA to be fishing around in the belly pan of some huge unit with a flashlight and magnet trying to retrieve them.

Most shops have gauges, get your own digital 0-10000 psi that has a min/max memory for setting and adjusting relief valves. As you become familiar with your common brands of jobs collect the couplers you need, get a -4 (min 6000psi) hose made up, I have 3', 6' and 15' ones that get used regularly. Find a clean tub, toss all of the hydraulic fittings and caps/plugs that you aquire during installs in it, they will save your *** on that oddball job that no one has the right connector for.

It is an expensive purchase but do not cheap out (I dont mean you have to buy truck brand though) on your large wrench set, I use 1-3/8" to 3" a few times a week. But I have a huge range of equipment come through our shop/field calls. It may be wiser to buy them individually, depends on the situation. A LARGE (4" jaw) adjustable wrench is a great thing to have.

If you do a lot of hydraulic cylinder rebuilds a large heavy duty chain wrench is great for removing rod guide caps if the shop does not have a cylinder bench hydraulic wrench (a must for most cylinders larger the 4" diameter) some of the piston end nuts on a large excavator cylinder are torqued to 1700+ Ft/Lbs.

Take a look at the kits the seasoned guys in your shop are using, some will have huge collections others not more then basics. My personal rule is if I borrow it more then once in a 3 month period I start shopping for a good deal, if I need borrow it more then once in a month I go and buy it immediately, if budget permits. Most shops are pretty good about supplying large specific tools, talk to a lead hand or Forman before pulling the trigger on big ticket items.
 

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I cant say don't buy your our gauges, myself I have a parker service Jr with several hoses made it up. I took about 8 years before I talked myself into it. If I use it once a month, I'd be surprise. My experience with sprayers was always working on the nozzles and the boom, nothing ever seem to go wrong with the chassis.
 
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^^^ sounds about right.

When looking at crows feet make sure they have the indent in the drive square for a locking detent, or find a set of locking extensions that work with them. It is a true PITA to be fishing around in the belly pan of some huge unit with a flashlight and magnet trying to retrieve them.

Most shops have gauges, get your own digital 0-10000 psi that has a min/max memory for setting and adjusting relief valves. As you become familiar with your common brands of jobs collect the couplers you need, get a -4 (min 6000psi) hose made up, I have 3', 6' and 15' ones that get used regularly. Find a clean tub, toss all of the hydraulic fittings and caps/plugs that you aquire during installs in it, they will save your *** on that oddball job that no one has the right connector for.

It is an expensive purchase but do not cheap out (I dont mean you have to buy truck brand though) on your large wrench set, I use 1-3/8" to 3" a few times a week. But I have a huge range of equipment come through our shop/field calls. It may be wiser to buy them individually, depends on the situation. A LARGE (4" jaw) adjustable wrench is a great thing to have.

If you do a lot of hydraulic cylinder rebuilds a large heavy duty chain wrench is great for removing rod guide caps if the shop does not have a cylinder bench hydraulic wrench (a must for most cylinders larger the 4" diameter) some of the piston end nuts on a large excavator cylinder are torqued to 1700+ Ft/Lbs.

Take a look at the kits the seasoned guys in your shop are using, some will have huge collections others not more then basics. My personal rule is if I borrow it more then once in a 3 month period I start shopping for a good deal, if I need borrow it more then once in a month I go and buy it immediately, if budget permits. Most shops are pretty good about supplying large specific tools, talk to a lead hand or Forman before pulling the trigger on big ticket items.

You guys are way more helpful than I was anticipating, I thought it was all light duty techs on here. We have gauges literally everywhere, insane amount. But I'm not against getting myself some once I've had more experience and time in the industry. As far as cylinder rebuilds, our parts guys do those 9/10 times and they have their own set of tools for that in a tool room.


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I cant say don't buy your our gauges, myself I have a parker service Jr with several hoses made it up. I took about 8 years before I talked myself into it. If I use it once a month, I'd be surprise. My experience with sprayers was always working on the nozzles and the boom, nothing ever seem to go wrong with the chassis.

I would agree with you until about last week when I had to put an entire new hydro unit and wheel motors on a machine. 12% water in the fluid starter wreaking havoc on everything.


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I'm working on Hagie sprayers and detasslers. There is a shop box but I never touch it, if I have what I need I try to stay away from other people's tools. I have taken quite a few tools home to my cart for the garage. So it isn't all bad I guess. I have a good start, but there's always something I can get to make life easier, that's where you guys come in.


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I know the detasslers we use are 50+ years old...definitely all SAE :beer:
 

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I have looked at a drooled over the electronic gauge sets and flow meters, but so far, all om my gauges where just analogs acquired by grabbing them from the parts department. (parts guy always accuse me of "stealling" and tell them it's "shop tools - bill the owner!" :lol:

Lots of stuff you will build up along the way as need arises - some of it sort of "shop supplies" that you will want your own handy. I was just putting away some tools and was reminded of some of those items I have in my box:
Most of our stuff uses Deutsch brand connectors, so I bought the correct crimper tool and plastic organizer boxes for all the assorted pins / sockets and seals and such. Another bin box is full of tear-outs from old harness' / leftovers from from jobs -- the connectors themselves are reusable and you never know when you can use one to fix a damaged one on a job. I also got the release tools to pop the pins out without damage.

I also have about 5 different boxes of specific types of o-rings - assorted SAE, metrics, bonded seals and so on - so I always have plenty on hand -repair kits and replacement parts don't always cover everything for the job and nothing ***** a bad a holding up the whole works over a 15 cent o-ring.
 

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A good sturdy step ladder because for some reason other mechanics keep things like those hidden cause they think they use them more than others. Also a good seal puller, long test leads for testing curcuits and hooking to a multimeter, and a set of picks and punches for all the hydraulic problems along the way. Oh, and a small center punch for marking hydraulic valve spools so you won't put them back together in the wrong valve bank then wonder why the hydraulics aren't working right. It took me two times before I decided to start marking them. :willy_nil
 

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A blow gun with 3 foot of brake line added to it. Keeps the dust out of the face.:lol_hitti
 
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A good sturdy step ladder because for some reason other mechanics keep things like those hidden cause they think they use them more than others. Also a good seal puller, long test leads for testing curcuits and hooking to a multimeter, and a set of picks and punches for all the hydraulic problems along the way. Oh, and a small center punch for marking hydraulic valve spools so you won't put them back together in the wrong valve bank then wonder why the hydraulics aren't working right. It took me two times before I decided to start marking them. :willy_nil

Very handy info in there! You guys are great and very helpful. Thanks!!


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Has anyone used the SO plier wrench tool?? Snappy was trying to sell me some and I passed thinking it wouldn't be any better than my knipex cobras


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