The VISES of Garage Journal

[Radio Ron w4ron]

I'll try posting this again.
This past Saturday I was out hitting some of the local antique shops,
one of them have a pile of old tools, mostly rusty junk, but I did spot an
interesting old vice that was cheap enough to be interesting.
I thought about it the rest of the weekend and decided to go back Monday
afternoon and pick it up.
It was originally priced at $18 but it had been marked down to $15.
Attached are a couple pix of it before I started cleaning it up.
It's a Oxwall that was made in Japan. Looks old, does anyone have any
idea when it was made?
Yesterday I took it apart and went at it with my soda blaster, it took the
dirt and rust off but it wouldn't touch most of the original black paint.
I wonder if it was baked on.
This afternoon I tried some spray on paint stripper on it, I think it took
the rest of the paint off. After wiping the stripper off I used hot water to
wash the rest of it off, I then put it in the oven on 250 degrees for
about an hour to bake the water off of it.
I'll see what ti looks like tomorrow and decide where to go next.

I'll also attach a photo of a nice old wooden clamp I bought Saturday,
it's nice being all wood including the screws.

 

[Outlawmws]

Ron, I've had a few of my pics disappear, I think it's more to do this something in the forum software that gets lost once in a while. nothing the mods are doing directly.

if you can find the post, try going into edit mode then advanced edit, and you can reload them there. they may still show in that level, but be corrupt in some way. Just delete and go again.

 

[Outlawmws]

Ron that is a VERY cool little wood clamp! I have a bunch of that style, but none are that small!

 

[PghJKB]

454
Your vise looks like a Colton Patent vise. Check out Outlaws post #9919. These guys come up every so often, in various sizes and configurations. I've seen clamp-on, screw-on and regular bench type mounts. Yours is pre-patent, produced before 1885.

Think you might have replied to Outlaws original post when you identified H&B as possibly Hall & Brown ....

JKB

 

[autopts]

My guess is that within 5-7 more years, this thread will have every USA made vise in it, and every model within those time periods.
Here's a beautiful collectors vise. Might be a 1st time showing. Its a stationary swivel back Reed 3 1/2" No. 303 1/2. and its clean!! Its sad that I can't take the credit in saying I own it. I don't.

 

[_vin_]

Hello

Quick question. I have a wilson cadet 3 1/2 jaw and when I unscrew it open all the way, I am able to remove the dynamic jaw ( with the screw ). Is this supposed to happen or something is wrong? Thanks

 

[KMScott]

That is a nice vise autopts, looks like solid jaws. I would be curious to how many reeds have replaceable jaws. I only have seen the 1C,2C,3C and 4C. I was grinding in some Starrett jaws today , adding a 5 degree angle on the top of the jaws and wanted to share a 3-1/2 inch Wilton vise I use all the time. I can not find anything that says where it is made but a $150 e-bay item and I sure like it.

 

[Filson]

My guess is that within 5-7 more years, this thread will have every USA made vise in it, and every model within those time periods.
Here's a beautiful collectors vise. Might be a 1st time showing. Its a stationary swivel back Reed 3 1/2" No. 303 1/2. and its clean!! Its sad that I can't take the credit in saying I own it. I don't.

I waaaannttt iiiitttt!!!!

 

[oldldh]

Nick my boy,

All American made vises, but the Craftsman 5198...

They only made one, and Outlaw's hiding it under his workbench...

 

[Radio Ron w4ron]

I posted the story and the photos of this Oxwall vice on this thread because I felt confident someone here would be able to ID it.
Is it so rare that no one knows what it is, or just not interesting
enough for anyone to bother?

R-

I'll try posting this again.
This past Saturday I was out hitting some of the local antique shops,
one of them have a pile of old tools, mostly rusty junk, but I did spot an
interesting old vice that was cheap enough to be interesting.
I thought about it the rest of the weekend and decided to go back Monday
afternoon and pick it up.
It was originally priced at $18 but it had been marked down to $15.
Attached are a couple pix of it before I started cleaning it up.
It's a Oxwall that was made in Japan. Looks old, does anyone have any
idea when it was made?
Yesterday I took it apart and went at it with my soda blaster, it took the
dirt and rust off but it wouldn't touch most of the original black paint.
I wonder if it was baked on.
This afternoon I tried some spray on paint stripper on it, I think it took
the rest of the paint off. After wiping the stripper off I used hot water to
wash the rest of it off, I then put it in the oven on 250 degrees for
about an hour to bake the water off of it.
I'll see what ti looks like tomorrow and decide where to go next.

I'll also attach a photo of a nice old wooden clamp I bought Saturday,
it's nice being all wood including the screws.

 

[sselander]

Ron,

Looks like Oxwall at one time made tools in the U.S.A. but then imported cheap tools from Japan. Cheap - similar to Globemaster quality.

http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2012/03/vanished-tool-makers-oxwall-tools.html

 

[Outlawmws]

Ron,

Looks like Oxwall at one time made tools in the U.S.A. but then imported cheap tools from Japan. Cheap - similar to Globemaster quality.

http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2012/03/vanished-tool-makers-oxwall-tools.html

In reference to the Oxwall made in Japan Vise, This^^^.. What I have to add is that Oxwall also imported from post war Germany, and many of their tools, import or not, made the bulk of Globemaster look down right well made (Stamped sheet metal wrenches, generally not larger than ignition wrench sizes, at least those are all I see surviving...).

That Oxwall Vise is probably an exception, as for the class of vise, (Homeowner's exposed screw...) it's certainly no worse than many similarly designed vises. OK for light use, but a second pair of hands, no more, so don't pound on it, and don't expect it to do even light pressing or medium bending of metal, or it will pop apart, generally where the slide presses into the dynamic jaw. Can't expect a lot more out of something that barely cracks the ten-twelve pound mark for weight.

For Oxwall, that is a REALLY well made tool!

 

[Outlawmws]

Nick my boy,

All American made vises, but the Craftsman 5198...

They only made one, and Outlaw's hiding it under his workbench...

I only wish!

 

[autopts]

That is a nice vise autopts, looks like solid jaws. I would be curious to how many reeds have replaceable jaws. I only have seen the 1C,2C,3C and 4C. I was grinding in some Starrett jaws today , adding a 5 degree angle on the top of the jaws and wanted to share a 3-1/2 inch Wilton vise I use all the time. I can not find anything that says where it is made but a $150 e-bay item and I sure like it.

Kevin, your photos are always so informative. Reeds, for the most part always had forged on jaws except the later C- Series. The early C-'s, I believe had forged jaws also. I could be wrong. Today's Columbian/Reed had those cheap white powered ones that they want mucho bucks for.
Footnote.
Columbian in Warren is a 2 man operation and both are usually out fishing. Their favorite excuse is, "Wer waitin on castings"

 

[balane]

Columbian in Warren is a 2 man operation and both are usually out fishing. Their favorite excuse is, "Wer waitin on castings"

Haha, is that true? Are they two old guys?

 

[va.grouseman]

A bad day casting for fish is better than a good day casting vises!

 

[va.grouseman]

Had to revisit one I've already shown for this posting.



















You see, C. P. ain't the only co. that made both vises and shotguns.

Vise weighs 39.6 lbs.------jaws are 4 1/2''-------gun is old.

 

[jpickar]

It is easy to see the vise was made by Wilton and the shotgun made by Iver Johnson. Lots of companies had contracts with manufacturers with thier name on it.

John

 

[va.grouseman]

Yea I know. I just thought it would be funny, and wanted to see if I could get a rise out of someone. I don't recon Acme ever made anything themselves, they just always got someone else to make their stuff and then slapped their name on it.

You know if the coyote had just bought their shotgun, he could've had roadrunner under glass, and saved a boatload of cash.

 

[Outlawmws]

And there is no guarantee that the same "ACME" made both, BUT it would be cool to find an ACME Anvil and then get them all three setup near Wile E. Coyote and, RR!

 

[Outlawmws]

Yea I know. I just thought it would be funny, and wanted to see if I could get a rise out of someone. I don't recon Acme ever made anything themselves, they just always got someone else to make their stuff and then slapped their name on it.

You know if the coyote had just bought their shotgun, he could've had roadrunner under glass, and saved a boatload of cash.

I'm sure I've seen Wile E> try a shotgun and the RR probably plugged the barrels and it back blew into the coyote's face

 

[Radio Ron w4ron]

Is that the shotgun Wile E. Coyote used for hunting the Road Runner?

 

[jpickar]

Yea I know. I just thought it would be funny, and wanted to see if I could get a rise out of someone. I don't recon Acme ever made anything themselves, they just always got someone else to make their stuff and then slapped their name on it.

You know if the coyote had just bought their shotgun, he could've had roadrunner under glass, and saved a boatload of cash.

John

 

[skorpio]

And there is no guarantee that the same "ACME" made both, BUT it would be cool to find an ACME Anvil and then get them all three setup near Wile E. Coyote and, RR!

I bought an Acme anvil off Ebay, unfortunately I also bought a box of holes from the same vendor, he boxed them together and the box of holes broke open in transit, so when I got it the parcel was empty.

 

[zoomieport]

All of the ACME anvils I've ever seen were made by either the Hay Budden Manufacturing Company (Brooklyn New York) or the Columbus Forge & Iron Company (Columbus, Ohio). ACME anvils were sold by Sears Roebuck who contracted with the anvil companies to produce them and mark them ACME.

So other than the name, I don't think ACME anvils would have anything to do with either the vise maker or gun maker (unless the gun was also a product sold by Sears).

+1

I believe that to be correct.

 

[va.grouseman]

Is that the shotgun Wile E. Coyote used for hunting the Road Runner?

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That's a one projectile 50 cal. you are looking at. I'm talking about a scatter gun.

 

[RickJennings]

For you vise addicts
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tls/4068016692.html

 

[Radio Ron w4ron]

That's a one projectile 50 cal. you are looking at. I'm talking about a scatter gun.

I know, I know. I couldn't find a pix of him with a shotgun...

 

[Craptain]

You finally suckered me into the vise thread.

I found this today and picked it up for $15. Not a real **** deal but I am happy with it. And it is a size I will use. About 3 1/4" jaws.

 

[va.grouseman]

I bought an Acme anvil off Ebay, unfortunately I also bought a box of holes from the same vendor, he boxed them together and the box of holes broke open in transit, so when I got it the parcel was empty.

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I'm know I'm going to regret asking, but what does a box of holes look like?

 

[toomanytoyzz]

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I'm know I'm going to regret asking, but what does a box of holes look like?

I can't really tell or show you what HIS box (of holes) looked like when it arrived, but I'm gonna say that it arrived all busted up (aka: holey) and had no Anvil inside. Basically, the guy who shipped the anvil picked a crappy box and thought it would be alright to use as a vessel to ship the anvil.

 

[Tarnished]

Thought some of you with arn folks would enjoy this pics from the Southern Ohio Forge & Anvil 2013 show. SOFAwebsite.This is first day of a 3 day event. First day being the tailgate sales event. Some really nice stuff there.
Second and third day are forging demonstrations. Some AMAZING arn artists there.
Enjoy.

 

[jpickar]

Thought some of you with arn folks would enjoy this pics from the Southern Ohio Forge & Anvil 2013 show. SOFAwebsite.This is first day of a 3 day event. First day being the tailgate sales event. Some really nice stuff there.
Second and third day are forging demonstrations. Some AMAZING arn artists there.
Enjoy.

WOW!

John

 

[EOC_Jason]

Kevin, your photos are always so informative. Reeds, for the most part always had forged on jaws except the later C- Series. The early C-'s, I believe had forged jaws also. I could be wrong. Today's Columbian/Reed had those cheap white powered ones that they want mucho bucks for.

Yeah, I've noticed two changes over time on the C series. They used replaceable jaws on later models, and they also stopped using that adjustable set-screw on the main nut and just have a pin. Only my 4C has replaceable jaws. Also I'm not sure of the timeline but IIRC My 2C & 4C have two lockdowns, while my 1C & 3C only have one... And I don't think the 3C has the hole for a second, I'll have to look tomorrow to be 100% sure that info is correct.

I have a late model reed 104, it has the T jaws like the Columbians. I'll have to look through all my pictures that I've saved from the internet to see about the other Reeds...

 

[Radio Ron w4ron]

I'm know I'm going to regret asking, but what does a box of holes look like?

Clearly someone who never watched a RoadRunner cartoon.



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[Radio Ron w4ron]

And for those that still don't get it, here's a web page with a detailed
description of portable holes; http:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PortableHole



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[Outlawmws]

Holy Cow! that HAS to be the largest clamp on vise ever!

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Radio Ron.-----//tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PortableHole-
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[Radio Ron w4ron]

Previously posted by Radio Ron.-----//tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PortableHole-
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Try this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PortableHole



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[autopts]

You finally suckered me into the vise thread.

I found this today and picked it up for $15. Not a real **** deal but I am happy with it. And it is a size I will use. About 3 1/4" jaws.

I have my dad's Littlestown and I use it more then my bigger Morgans. Its surprising what you can do with smaller vises Find a place for it and it will spoil you.