Garage wench anybody?

[Acuratechva]

So i want to put an end To asking my neibhors for help pushing a car up a driveway.

Already seen this done by others but I can't figure out what rating I need.

Idea is to bolt it to concrete under my tool box and bbbbzzzzzzzzzzz the car up


Typical car is 3,000 but I wounder if I actually need a 3k rated wench considering a mild incline and simple pull action, not yanking on it as if Im trying to pull a tractor from a swamp, which is where I think correct capacity becomes crucial, but I'm not certain so please chime in.

 

[NHBandit]

I might try this brand if I can find a store locally that sells it. Or did you mean winch ?

 

[Farmall450]

I might try this brand if I can find a store locally that sells it. Or did you mean winch ?

Hilarious.

 

[38Chevy454]

I think a 3000 lb rated winch would do the job, with no need for a wench, although maybe the wench could help steer the vehicle while you operate the winch.

 

[Doug Arthurs]

I would prefer the Wench over any winch no matter what the capacity is. Please provide a link to the Double Wench website.

 

[NHBandit]

I would prefer the Wench over any winch no matter what the capacity is. Please provide a link to the Double Wench website.

LoL.. sorry I cheated. I did a Google image search for "wench" and found the pic. If you find it let me know. I would try it if I could buy some locally just for kicks.

 

[NHBandit]

Never mind.. my curiosity got to me. Here ya go. Clearly they have ALL the wenches which explains why they are so hard to find... Unfortunately for me all the distributors seem to be in the North East. http://middleagesbrewing.com/beers/wailing-wench

 

[darwyn]

Not sure my wife would appreciate being called a wench while she got me a beer, I think the OP should give it a shot and report back on how it goes.

 

[joshmodelskidoo]

that would work with aired up tires. i would go at least a 5000#

 

[CNGsaves]

Google is your friend:

> > > > > Google > > > winch site:harborfreight.com

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/winches.html

Pick your pleasure for that easy job . . . . $80 for 2K weight limit or $200 for 5K weight limit. Heck for that limited use, I'd check CL for used Harbor Freight winch.

Concrete fasteners are abundant at:
http://www.confast.com/

 

[NHBandit]

ok ok to give a serious answer if your driveway isn't very steep and you're not towing heavy stuff with flat tires you should be able to get by with a cheap "boat winch". I had an old wedge style ramp truck a few years back that we hauled a racecar with and all it had was a cheap boat winch when I first bought it. It worked fine for loading the car as long as nothing was broken. If we crashed it they loaded it on the truck with a forklift... Something like this would work and it gives you the added benefit of having a remote with a long cord so you can steer and pull the car at the same time eliminating the need for a helper. http://www.harborfreight.com/automo...apacity-120-volt-ac-electric-winch-96127.html

 

[HMCFab9]

I'm interested in the same thing (the wench too...)
If your driveway isn't very steep, it doesn't take much to pull a car in.
If your winch does end up being too small, just get a pulley & have a place near the winch mount for a hook to double your winching power.

 

[TurnipTruck]

Warn has several AC winches. Their 1000lb winch will pull any car up your driveway.

 

[AndyL]

Dunno about 1000lbs being completely capable... Somewhat depends on slope and Cf - I can pull out my wreckmasters book and we can start working out some real numbers based on weight and slope and coefficient of friction... Then work back through the WLL's of the hardware being used...

Protip - your gonna be tripping over the winch... Drop a pair of 3/4" hilti HDI-P anchors in the floor - one nearer the threshold one near the back. That way you can permanently affix the winch to the side (out of the way) - then use the anchor points - to mount a ****** block.

You want the one near the threshold - for winching cars back out of the garage; and also to limit the wire rope dragging over the concrete (and getting damaged in the process, or damaging the concrete)

 

[muidaq]

I'm certainly no winch expert (and doubly so not a wench expert) but if something is rated at 1000 lbs, that should be the amount of force required to move the object, not the weight of the object, no?. If two guys can push a car up the slope, it seems like you two would be exerting much less force than 1000lbs.

 

[ChevyEFI]

Use a pulley system to make it easier.

 

[muidaq]

Found a chart. 10% grade with a 1000lb winch is good for a 5000 lb rolling load. Much more at the link.

http://www.etrailer.com/electric-winch.aspx

 

[Acuratechva]

Lol ok so i had a rough morning, and perhaps...just perhaps my vocabulary lacks a bit. However now that i know there is a Double Wench available i will hunt it down sooner or later!

Thanks for the link that has lot of great info.

Any ideas of who may have a thick L shaped piece of steel to bolt the wInch to. It seems some come with brackets similar to fence post bracket which i would be able to secure to the concrete , then others have no bracket shown.


And on yet another note......wounder how much of a work out a hand winch would be. 25 bucks is hell of a deal http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/winches/2000-lb-capacity-geared-winch-5798.html

 

[poolville02]

And on yet another note......wounder how much of a work out a hand winch would be. 25 bucks is hell of a deal http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/winches/2000-lb-capacity-geared-winch-5798.html

I went a similar cheap route and used a 4 ton rated "come-along" cable winch. It was more than enough winch to do the job. I was pulling a toyota 4x4 up my steep driveway. The only bad part was having to chock the wheels and reset the winch. I used a trailer D-ring and bolted it to concrete floor for the anchor and used a long tow strap to reach the truck out in the street.

An electric winch would have been great but I wasnt able to find a cheap AC winch at the time and did not feel like messing with batteries.

 

[zkling]

If you want the techinal answer.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/calculating-the-force-needed-to-move-an-object-up-.html

In this case friction, especially kinetic or dynamic, is going to be negligible due to the rolling element wheel bearings assuming you have this thing in neutral when attempting to pull it up. Your biggest hurdle is going to be the starting and stopping which will rely on the weight --> inertia of the car itself.

So unless you had a super sloped driveway (which I have seen ) You would technically be OK with a winch rated to ~1/2 (or less, depending on slope of YOUR driveway) of the weight of the largest car you plan to pull. Now with that said it is typically not a good idea to spec things right up to their limit. Especially things sold at harborfreight and the like discount stores. Without seeing the actual driveway, I personally just go ahead and go with the 3000k winch and be done with it. That way you would have a good safety margin on it. Say you get a winch that is speced to the T via calculations, then one day you forget a wrench in front of a tire or something like that--> extra resistance, which cable breaks and your car goes rolling backwards down your driveway.

Any ideas of who may have a thick L shaped piece of steel to bolt the wInch to. It seems some come with brackets similar to fence post bracket which i would be able to secure to the concrete , then others have no bracket shown.

Local metal supplier. Dig out your phone book, yea remember that paper thing and call around to local structural steel suppliers. Sounds like what you are looking for is a piece of large and heavy (think) angle iron. Hopefully you will be able to find drop or cut off piece they will sell for cheap to you.

 

[Acuratechva]

Awesome, very helpful!

 

[JimVonBaden]

I'm certainly no winch expert (and doubly so not a wench expert) but if something is rated at 1000 lbs, that should be the amount of force required to move the object, not the weight of the object, no?. If two guys can push a car up the slope, it seems like you two would be exerting much less force than 1000lbs.

Exactly!

1000 pound winch will be plenty for anything you could push with 2-3 people.

Jim

 

[NHBandit]

I don't have a slide rule & I didn't do any fancy calculations but like I said on page 1, I pulled cars onto a ramptruck using a light duty boat winch for years. A 1500lb winch with long electrical cable & hand control like the one I linked to is what I would use.

 

[justanengineer]

A chain thrown around the base of a lift and connected to a small portable winch worked great in several shops I worked in, beats the hell out of rolling a car the last few feet into position or up onto a 4-post lift. A 1k lb winch should work fine.

 

[zkling]

The real question you need to answer is, which of the following closest represents your driveway?

#1.)

#2.)

 

[Jack Olsen]

+1 on the cheap HF winch with the remote. I used to use a come-along and a pair of wheel chocks -- which was slow but effective.

Since I got the easy way to do it, I haven't needed it.

 

[Acuratechva]

Mine is certainly #2, just a tad longer. Is #1 a photoshop or is that for real? Forget i work on cars for living, as a "normal" person still i'd never buy a house like that unless its a crazy flood area.

 

[Bib Overalls]

Who in their right mind would buy a house with a driveway like #1? I don't think you can get a normal car into it without hanging up.

I have the Harbor Freight 120V winch and like it so far. I use it for vertical lifting over a fixed pulley.

 

[Falcon67]

I keep a 3000lb HF winch around here. Had no trouble pulling a full size F150 pickup up on a trailer with it. Paid about $80 for it with a coupon. I paid more for a deep cycle battery than the dang winch.

 

[mdbeck1]

I've got a 16 ft car hauler trailer with a 2 ft dovetail. For several years I used a 2000 lb HF winch. If I needed more punch I used a pulley on it to get 4000 lb. I got a chance to get a 3000 lb HF winch with a remote and grabbed it. It helped a lot. A short while back I broke the frame on my 3k winch. So I replaced it with a much LARGER one (again an HF) and the wireless remote.

So if I can pull a full size car onto my car hauler with a 2k or 3k winch surely you can pull one into your garage. Make sure that you use multiple fasteners on the steel plate.

 

[taumac]

Never mind.. my curiosity got to me. Here ya go. Clearly they have ALL the wenches which explains why they are so hard to find... Unfortunately for me all the distributors seem to be in the North East. http://middleagesbrewing.com/beers/wailing-wench

Wailing wench..... how about a quiet wench? LOL

 

[Mike14k]

Thge key is how you anchor the winch to the concrete or structure. It needs to be secure.

 

[jayz66ragtop]

Just as another data point. I have a 22 foot tilt bed trailer that goes steeper than driveway picture #2 for normal loading and can go close to picture #1 if need be (I did it just to see how high it would go but have not needed it to for practical use). I have a 2000# winch and handled several 3000-4000# vehicles. It did not like nor was able to pull a '78 Ford dually but tried just for the hell of it. So I would say a 2000# winch would do it, a 1000# would probably do it as well but if it's not too much more it may be worth getting a 2000-3000#.

 

[lynnbilodeau]

The real question you need to answer is, which of the following closest represents your driveway?

#1.)

#2.)

Please tell me #1 is photoshopped.

 

[ptschram]

Warn Pullz-all.

I got one for loading toolboxes and boy is it nice to have around.

 

[nolimits76]

A few years ago, I had a Jeep with a hard top and used a cheapo HF winch to assist in lifting that off the Jeep and storing it (sucked to the ceiling) until I needed it on again.

I've always been of the mindset that having too much winch, is better than not enough. Read the manufacturer specs of the winch you are considering buying for the fine details. I know with the HF unit, I doubled my capacity by extending the wire and looping the hook end back up to the winch (imagine a thin U shape). In the bottom of the U I put a pulley hook to attach onto the sling I made for the hard top.

It's no secret pulleys and similar make lifting easier. Even when stuck in mud, the preferred way to pull out your Jeep is how I described above. It just gives you more umph.

FYI, if you can find a good used Warn winch for cheap, I would go that route before buying a new HF winch. Just depends what you can find. But in fairness, when it came to my Jeep I wanted a Warn or nothing. But those uses were more critical also.

Good luck.

 

[Lkdelta]

I've got something that pulls anything I need to pull, from where ever it's at
and the Wyeth Scott google page I located it on.


http://www.google.com/search?q=wyet...8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

The pic on the right is the unit that has "been here for a few days"

 

[Jack Olsen]

I remember seeing that image on this site previously, but I thought someone had explained it as a misleading picture. Then again, this set of shots makes it seem like plain old bad engineering.

 

[ville04]

I might try this brand if I can find a store locally that sells it. Or did you mean winch ?

i'll take 2

 

[taumac]

why would some choose number 1. I would even buy house like that but would have been great if maybe theyre made it level and garage 2 story.