Tools from the old world

[TjoFrasse]

Thanks for the answer TjoFrasse ! I´m looking for something gentle to remove paint and dirt from parts which i don´t want to dismantle like alternators, water pumps etc. So i can clean the items and keep them like that or paint them without doing too much work...I guess that shoud work !? So the plan is to get me a sand blast cabinet for sand blasting but also to soda blast to keep the dirt inside. Both Nordblast and JWL have distributors here and JWL even close to me. Here are the prices:
5 liter soda: http://www.wtn-shop.de/Druckluftwer...searchvendor=3f60ce1763f892a0748313793afa87df
Gun:
http://www.wtn-shop.de/Druckluftwer...searchvendor=3f60ce1763f892a0748313793afa87df
How much did you pay for your soda ?
edit: also found this shop who sells "soda" for 1,10€ per kilo + tax:
http://www.mr-soda-blaster.de/Shop,Soda-Strahlmittel
Armex has a distributor here too.

I bought it mostly for clean up on aluminium and other soft metal parts. Carburettors, distributors, intakes and such. I guess alternators and water pumps will work just as good also. I'm guessing you could use the gun with other abrasives also, but they might wear the nozzle down.

I paid about €70 for the 25kg bag of Armex soda excluding shipping. Since it is a speciality item there is no competition, and thus high prices. Hoping it will last a while though. The 5kg containers of Nordblast material can be found for about €17 locally. Remember that this is Swedish 25% VAT.

I don't know about differences between manufacturers. They all claim their soda is the best, with additives to stop clogging and such.

[Edit:]
Regarding the danger for bearings, I am not worried. It is very soft crystals. Sure, a bunch in a main bearing would probably not be recommended, but considering the other grime and dust present in a shop, this will probably be the least concern. But that is just my guess.

 

[TjoFrasse]

A follow-up on the Bahco PU pics posted earlier. I found this older Argentina PU wrench in a box at home. And it looks a lot more like the "Made in Sweden" ones. Wonder why they changed the design.

 

[durallymax]

German made! Hazet or Stahlwille. I have had some of both for years, and been expanding my sets in recent years.

The Hazet used to be a little better finish, their plating seems to have gone down a notch, but that is very subjective. Stahlwille does feel a little cleaner finished overall.

Where I do lean towards Hazet, is that they clearly label 'Made in Germany' . ; in there catalogue, individual tools series are flagged 'Made in Germany'

Stahlwille usually only ever seem to allude to "Germany'. Now that may not seem like an issue to some, but the way large corporates are today, that's 'wiggle' room in my book.

Stahwille finish is certainly crisper generally, Hazet has far more of the old world impression, look at the grooves, one gets the impression the same dies have been used for a long time.

Functionally, and strength wise, they are 2 peas in a pod. I have numerous of both. I trust the heritage of Hazet a bit more, I like the crispness of Stahlwille.

Thanks for that. I've been looking through Hazet Gedore and Stahlwille catalogs. Between wrenchs and sockets I'm sure I'll end up with some from all of them.


I do not know what the guy is saying but this torque wrench looks pretty nice although I'd probably have to sell a kidney to afford it.

 

[Monte]

I can not speak with any authority on this.
Initial thought it would be soft, and quickly be reduced to a very fine 'soft' powder. However, the initial application is at high velocity and in a bearing even fine powder would be travelling at high (rotational) velocity.

I would probably be more concerned with what chemical affect the alkaline nature of HCO3 would have on the bearing grease. But give the minor amount, and the mild nature of the alkalinity, probably not a real world consideration.

On the one hand, any residue would presumably be far less abrasive than the 'sand' class of particulates, on the other hand 'any' departure from cleanliness within a bearing would generally be considered a bad thing.

I once had the alloy block, head and sump etc. of an Alfa Romeo motor bead blasted. Despite hours assiduously washing and scrubbing in a variety of both water and detergent, solvents, including all the galleries with rifle brushes etc. Once reassembled, the motor seized within minutes of its first fire up. A failed experiment that one! I would not be concerned about using soda blast in the same way.

So i think i still should pay attention what i´m blasting since some crystalline residues might be left and possibly damage things...
Sorry to hear about your Alfa experience, after reading more about "soda" i guess the residues of soda could be washed away with water ? The rest will be dissolved with the water i guess ??

I bought it mostly for clean up on aluminium and other soft metal parts. Carburettors, distributors, intakes and such. I guess alternators and water pumps will work just as good also. I'm guessing you could use the gun with other abrasives also, but they might wear the nozzle down.

I paid about €70 for the 25kg bag of Armex soda excluding shipping. Since it is a speciality item there is no competition, and thus high prices. Hoping it will last a while though. The 5kg containers of Nordblast material can be found for about €17 locally. Remember that this is Swedish 25% VAT.

I don't know about differences between manufacturers. They all claim their soda is the best, with additives to stop clogging and such.

[Edit:]
Regarding the danger for bearings, I am not worried. It is very soft crystals. Sure, a bunch in a main bearing would probably not be recommended, but considering the other grime and dust present in a shop, this will probably be the least concern. But that is just my guess.

For "sand" blasting i already have a gun so i will use the JWL gun once i have it only for soda. If i understand correctly soda don´t remove rust ? Iwill contact Armex and see what they charge over here but i guess since it´s a brand name product and "special" i guess we pay about the same ...ok 6% less tax Do you have some "before" and "after" pics of soda blasted items from you ?












UVEX work gloves

 

[Monte]

Schröder "Hitrac" screw extractors
www.schroeder-werkzeuge.de



with cutting edge

 

[node105]

So i think i still should pay attention what i´m blasting since some crystalline residues might be left and possibly damage things...
Sorry to hear about your Alfa experience, after reading more about "soda" i guess the residues of soda could be washed away with water ? The rest will be dissolved with the water i guess ??

Yes.

 

[node105]

I do not know what the guy is saying but this torque wrench looks pretty nice although I'd probably have to sell a kidney to afford it.

7000 eTAC series Electronic Torque Wrench with built-in angle gauge listed in my 2012 hard copy Hazet Catalogue, list between 954 EUR and 1663EUR.

Testing accuracy +/- 2% Basic Version, and +/- 1% TOP Version , even has ' three signal alert the user during screwing process: audible signal ( buzzer), vibration signal and a LED display with "traffic light function" that is visible from all around'

 

[node105]

Schröder "Hitrac" screw extractors
www.schroeder-werkzeuge.de

I like those screw extractors Monte.

I scored these a couple of weeks ago. They were in the garage, 50 years ago... from when Australia actually made stuff.

 

[DieCastElectrician]

Nive wrenches, Blöckw@rt!



Yes, nice to see the more odd brands. Took a few pix of some of mine too:

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OMG, these english units... - SAE/AF i can relate to, but Whitworth...







Very nice tools Bhae! And finally the English have joined the "digital" age..."Fisco digital" ...
Nice to see a tape measure made in England, though.



Nice tools Tjofrasse. Maybe the forester tools are made by Edsbyn Industrial AB in Helsingland (a.k.a. Bahco Forest Tools)? When you see pictures from Wetterlings, it´s more like an old blacksmith company (no plastic moulding machines).



Like others asked - which one do you prefer?

I copycat´d your picture:
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From bottom and up: Proxxon - Dowidat - Stahlwille - Teng Tools - Hazet - Koken.
I know that many say that Proxxon is just wannabe pro, but this was my first ½" ratchet, and it has taken a lot of misuse and beating for over 20 years (honest! It has survived the repair of 6 Volvos and 2 Range Rovers). So the reliability is really good. The Hazet is a real beauty to look at, but I personally find it too heavy. The old Koken is slightly more lightweight, and the rubber grip is nice in my unheated garage. So it´s my #1 ratchet.

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1/4":
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Thats a pitty, right? But since I work most on rusty cars (and bicycles), there hasn´t been much use for the small sizes. Matador ratchet and extensions from Matador, Belzer (with "assambled in UK" stamp - strange...), Bahco extension made in Sweden. Kamasa tool handle.

Ok, more quite old tools (a.k.a. TFTOW Originals)
Side cutters:

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Sandvik-Bahco (orange ERGO) - Bahco (red, made in France) - Knipex - Orbit

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All these are E.A. Berg, Sweden (later Bahco) except the top one - Brinko, Germany.

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So the "Fish & hook" logotype did not originate from Bahco (as we are told), but from Sandvik. Old Bahco had this Shark logotype...

I Love The Old Pliers That Have The Logo Stamped Heavy In The Tool
The New Ones Will Be Worn Off In No Time

 

[DieCastElectrician]

Hi everybody and greetings from Bulgaria. Some new photos from my home workshop:

Is There A Thread About Workshops From Around The World ?
Like Above

 

[durallymax]

7000 eTAC series Electronic Torque Wrench with built-in angle gauge listed in my 2012 hard copy Hazet Catalogue, list between 954 EUR and 1663EUR.

Testing accuracy +/- 2% Basic Version, and +/- 1% TOP Version , even has ' three signal alert the user during screwing process: audible signal ( buzzer), vibration signal and a LED display with "traffic light function" that is visible from all around'

The light systm was what I thought was neat. And their interchangeable drive sizes.

Sent from my SCH-R970 using Tapatalk 2

 

[kenburkholz]

The best resource I know of is a company called METRIC AND MULTISTANDARD CORP. They carry a great selection of high quality European tools. At my last job,we ordered tons of tools,fasteners,and hard to find materials from them over the years. ken

 

[Blöckw@rt]

What did you pay for the boxes ?

I'm waiting for my cantilever Box in GEDORE blue (Hammerschlagblau) from ebay !!!!

From the flea market:
Belzer tool box. About 70 years old.



"Belzer D.R.G.M."


Together with the Gedore box

 

[Monte]

I like those screw extractors Monte.

I scored these a couple of weeks ago. They were in the garage, 50 years ago... from when Australia actually made stuff.

i posted some more "in action" pics here:
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62687&page=3

is it possible that your "P+N" screw extractors are from "Sutton" Tools ?

There are a couple of things which are still made in Australia, for example Sutton drill bits, these pliers, Lufkin tape measures, welding magnets, hoses, Finkal punches, and possible "Dixbro" brushes etc.

What did you pay for the boxes ?

I'm waiting for my cantilever Box in GEDORE blue (Hammerschlagblau) from ebay !!!!

The Gedore box was about €15.- from Ebay (with shipping) the Belzer box was €5.- from the flea market.
Nice ! Did you get one of the current models or an older box ?













some paint:
www.kwasny.com

 

[Burgerkong]

I might have a problem. Started out with 15, weeded it down to 5. You shouyld've seen the looks I got at the store, spent almost an hour in front of the Channellock display pulling down every single adjustable (almost 60-70) the had to check for slop, finish and parallel. The ones I ended up with are cherry picked to the extreme! Total damage was about $120. Didn't like the XLT pliers/cutters, the handles flexed a bit too much for my liking.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Nice ! Did you get one of the current models or an older box.

It is a current model (I think so) in a very, very well condition…if I trust the only one picture !?

Surprise, surprise….

 

[node105]

is it possible that your "P+N" screw extractors are from "Sutton" Tools ?


There are a couple of things which are still made in Australia, for example Sutton drill bits, these pliers, Lufkin tape measures, welding magnets, hoses, Finkal punches, and possible "Dixbro" brushes etc.

P&N = Patience & Nicholson

THe attached drill sets are c. 12 years old, note the 65 Sutton Road address on the yellow box.

form the P&N website

http://www.pandn.co.nz/company-profile.aspx

"Patience & Nicholson’s factory at Kaiapoi in the South Island of New Zealand was established in 1962 with the intention of manufacturing a small range of jobber drills for the local market.

The company has expanded significantly since then and now produces a wide range of jobber drills, drill sets, stub and panel drills, reduced shank drills and taper shank drills which are sold all around the world under its own brands and those of its OEM customers.

The company also has offices and its main distribution centre in Auckland where its sales and marketing team are based.

Patience & Nicholson (NZ) Ltd is owned by Sutton Tools Pty Ltd of Australia. Established in 1917 Sutton Tools is one of the largest family owned cutting tool companies in the world"

The old set I have had for c. 30-40 years.

 

[node105]

is it possible that your "P+N" screw extractors are from "Sutton" Tools ?

There are a couple of things which are still made in Australia, for example Sutton drill bits, these pliers, Lufkin tape measures, welding magnets, hoses, Finkal punches, and possible "Dixbro" brushes etc.

Tape measures: both the Lufkin and Stanley ( another one from decades ago) were made in Oz. Lufkin is part of the Apex group, along with Wiss, Cleco, Cresent.. "wholly owned by one of the world's leading private equity firms"

Finkal punches - the 2 brass drifts are Finkal. Finkal punches can be found in the hardware chains. The Sidchrome are from back in the days when they made in Oz. Not a brand I buy anymore. Rennsteig make good punches, as do PB Swiss.

The PBS plastic pliers, not labeled anywhere re made in Oz, so I would expect china. Their seal remover/installer kit look interesting. Except that it is twice the price landed in Oz as the US price (fleabay). As for the clamps, I think I like the Hazet (ordered, on way) more, and for just over half the price. They do look VERY similar do they not?



"Dixbro has been supplying brushes throughout Australia and New Zealand for more than 50 years. Dixbro is a combination of tradition, skills and knowledge that has been represented by many well-known brands including Talus Brushware, McDonald Brushware, Dixbro Brushes and Brushes For Industry. Today the brushes are proudly designed and assembled in New Zealand from imported and local components."

 

[Alfajuj]

I might have a problem. Started out with 15, weeded it down to 5. You shouyld've seen the looks I got at the store, spent almost an hour in front of the Channellock display pulling down every single adjustable (almost 60-70) the had to check for slop, finish and parallel. The ones I ended up with are cherry picked to the extreme! Total damage was about $120. Didn't like the XLT pliers/cutters, the handles flexed a bit too much for my liking.

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Those are sweet wrenches! I love that design.
They are made in Spain by Irega. I think that the Hazet adjustables are also made by Irega and in the same style. But I am not 100% sure.

 

[Roverbo]

I might have a problem. Started out with 15, weeded it down to 5. You shouyld've seen the looks I got at the store, spent almost an hour in front of the Channellock display pulling down every single adjustable (almost 60-70) the had to check for slop, finish and parallel. The ones I ended up with are cherry picked to the extreme! Total damage was about $120. Didn't like the XLT pliers/cutters, the handles flexed a bit too much for my liking.

Wauw...nice! And I must admit, i have the same habbit of cherrypickin´ in the toolstore. Gets embarrasing at times... "Can i help you, sir?".

P&N = Patience & Nicholson

THe attached drill sets are c. 12 years old, note the 65 Sutton Road address on the yellow box.

...

Australian tools, new to me, thanks for the info node105.

Those are sweet wrenches! I love that design.
They are made in Spain by Irega. The Hazet adjustables are also made by Irega and in the same style.

But what about this one (top of picture):
View media item 25809Looks exactly like the Bahco (made in Sweden). But the screen printing says "Hazet - W-GERMANY". It was bought at a danish Hazet dealer many years ago. Custom made for the nordic market (who would prefer the well-known swedish style anytime)?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

The cantilever box has arrived !

Strong and robust and in a very good condition, the price was 18€ (incl. shipping)

Forget the overpriced Hazet, GEDORE & Stahlwille boxes .

1st. step- Anti-slip mat
2nd. Step- filled with tools

 

[admirer of a good tool]

Monte, Blöckw@rt, Miskin, please help me to decide which wrench is "better": stahlwille13 or gedore7?

 

[admirer of a good tool]

Burgerkong, please, say me which maximum span of 815 version is?

 

[admirer of a good tool]

Blöckw@rt, please, say me which maximum span of 8074 is?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Monte, Blöckw@rt, Miskin, please help me to decide which wrench is "better": stahlwille13 or gedore7?

Puuuuuh.......such questions are always hard to answer, because it is a very subjective matter.

I would prefer Stahlwille Open Box 13, but that's just my opinion, you can work with both very well.

Blöckw@rt, please, say me which maximum span of 8074 is?

44mm

 

[Miskin]

Monte, Blöckw@rt, Miskin, please help me to decide which wrench is "better": stahlwille13 or gedore7?

Both are top-notch. You can't go wrong with either Stahlwille or Gedore.

 

[TjoFrasse]

So i think i still should pay attention what i´m blasting since some crystalline residues might be left and possibly damage things...
Sorry to hear about your Alfa experience, after reading more about "soda" i guess the residues of soda could be washed away with water ? The rest will be dissolved with the water i guess ??

For "sand" blasting i already have a gun so i will use the JWL gun once i have it only for soda. If i understand correctly soda don´t remove rust ? Iwill contact Armex and see what they charge over here but i guess since it´s a brand name product and "special" i guess we pay about the same ...ok 6% less tax Do you have some "before" and "after" pics of soda blasted items from you ?

Yes, soda is water soluble so a rinse with hot water will remove it quickly. But might bring rust on steel pieces.

The soda blasting does not remove rust on iron, or heavy corrosion on aluminium. It is too gentle for that.

Perhaps prices is similar for that, but there is a reason I order many tools from Germany, often prices are lower (more than just the tax difference).

I don't have any pictures, but will try to get some. There is much on youtube also for soda blasting. Many people construct their own from a blow gun.

Posted these in another thread, might post them here also:

 

[upgrading]

What is the red pliers next to the Knipex pliers wrench ?

 

[Bhae]

 

[arnwoodwheels]

Going to Germany, Looking for some tools.

Well it's not really a tool quest. My wife has been bugging me to go on a Viking river cruse so we are leaving on November 2nd for a 15 day ride from Budapest to Amsterdam.

The wife does not know it yet but I am going to escape and look at tools.
But she does want to go to OBI home improvement as we are always doing something around our place and it well be cool to see some nicer euro home products. I want to get a pair of the re badged NWS pliers with the blue handles.

Looking at the Itinerary I believe I will have some free time in Budapest Hungary, Vienna Austria,
Passau Germany, Nuremberg, Wurzburg, and Cologne.

I have been using Google maps to try and find some tool and industrial supply stores.
I don’t speak or read any German so it is difficult even with Google translate. I keep coming up with a mix of some tool place and all sorts of places that have nothing to do with tools.
Also I cant tell if the places that I can find sell to the public or not. Or if they are a store of just sell online?

The big box stores are easy but I want to find the places with the tool walls that I have seen photos of.

I would be great full for any help.

Ron

 

[DieCastElectrician]

I Would Love To See Pictures From A Hardware Store From Europe

 

[arnwoodwheels]

I Would Love To See Pictures From A Hardware Store From Europe

I hope to take some. If do I will post them.

 

[superautobacs]

Many photos of hardware stores in Germany and other European countries have been posted in previous pages.

I contributed twice here. Enjoy


In Paris:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=730072&postcount=1366

In Germany:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953857&postcount=2323

 

[Blöckw@rt]

@arnwoodwheels

In the cities you mentioned, I don’t know .......... but where do you maybe could go are the shops of Stahlgruber.

There are not the big giant tool walls (at least here in my area, are only smaller ones ), but you can get Hazet and GEDORE and Shops are in Vienna, Nuremberg, Passau and Würzburg.

http://www.stahlgruber.de/unternehmen/index.php?page=vertriebsgebiet&lang=en

What is the red pliers next to the Knipex pliers wrench ?

It is the NWS Quattro Grip 250mm, but customized.

The plastic removed from the handles and completely paint in red.

 

[admirer of a good tool]

Puuuuuh.......such questions are always hard to answer, because it is a very subjective matter.

I would prefer Stahlwille Open Box 13, but that's just my opinion, you can work with both very well.



44mm

Thank you

 

[admirer of a good tool]

Both are top-notch. You can't go wrong with either Stahlwille or Gedore.

Thank you

 

[Monte]

I might have a problem.

nope

Tape measures: both the Lufkin and Stanley ( another one from decades ago) were made in Oz. Lufkin is part of the Apex group, along with Wiss, Cleco, Cresent.. "wholly owned by one of the world's leading private equity firms"

thanks for the nice pics of your australian tool goddesses !!
Unfortunately i´ve never seen something from down under over here except the hose clamp pliers.... oh and the old "Triton" superjaws...

The PBS plastic pliers, not labeled anywhere re made in Oz, so I would expect china. Their seal remover/installer kit look interesting. Except that it is twice the price landed in Oz as the US price (fleabay). As for the clamps, I think I like the Hazet (ordered, on way) more, and for just over half the price. They do look VERY similar do they not?

"Dixbro has been supplying brushes throughout Australia and New Zealand for more than 50 years. Dixbro is a combination of tradition, skills and knowledge that has been represented by many well-known brands including Talus Brushware, McDonald Brushware, Dixbro Brushes and Brushes For Industry. Today the brushes are proudly designed and assembled in New Zealand from imported and local components."

the "Made in Australia" ones from ebay.com.au are probably NOS...

The cantilever box has arrived !

already filled !?!? you need another one now

Monte, Blöckw@rt, Miskin, please help me to decide which wrench is "better": stahlwille13 or gedore7?

my favourites are Hazet 600N, Stahlwille 14, Gedore 1B in no particular order

Yes, soda is water soluble so a rinse with hot water will remove it quickly. But might bring rust on steel pieces.

The soda blasting does not remove rust on iron, or heavy corrosion on aluminium. It is too gentle for that.

Perhaps prices is similar for that, but there is a reason I order many tools from Germany, often prices are lower (more than just the tax difference).

I don't have any pictures, but will try to get some. There is much on youtube also for soda blasting. Many people construct their own from a blow gun.

Thanks for the additional information ! I´ll get me one of these things somewhere around x-mas i think i thought some soda blasting pics would be nice to have in the best tool thread hmmm.. blow gun...interesting idea...i´ve a sand blast gun too...but i guess the nozzle might be too large ?? maybe i´ll try that....

Going to Germany, Looking for some tools.

Hazet dealer search:
http://www.hazet.de/kontakt/fachhaendler-deutschland/

Stahlwille dealer search:
http://stahlwille.de/en/distributors/













FEIN ASCD 18 W2
18 volt 1/2" impact wrench. 250NM.
www.Fein.com


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[DieCastElectrician]

Thanks For The Links

 

[928'er]

I might have a problem. ]

Ya think?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

already filled !?!? you need another one now

At the moment I have enough boxes for my handtools...but times are changing !