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Wilton Vise Restoration

GoNCState

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Alright - first time posting here.

Background - So there I was....getting ready to do my first ever 1911 build and spending too much money on tools. I search online for the best vise. "Wilton" comes up a lot and often noted that used are good as new at fraction of cost. Great. Now I simply need to take 15 min to do a search and determine what to look for on used vise, then hit ebay and I am home free. But, nooooo, I find this damn marriage-wrecking-site with all your nice vises.

Thank God my wife is huge geek and thought the electrolysis bath was cool. So still married after spending a few weeks fixing a vise that was not broken just so I could get a late start on another hobby that prevents me from taking out the trash on time.

Oh, and, I am already a huge fan of Parker shotguns. Should have seen my face when I came across my first vise post from mjozefow.

HAD A BLAST working on this. Never would have guessed I would develop such a passion around a simple vise. My neighbors enjoyed the hell out of it too.

My images are big, so I included a few external links to save some visual space.

1 - Bought a vise for "normal" eBay price. I paid $25 per cm just like Autopts and mjozefow recommended. Or was that inches ;) [big thanks for your knowledge, by the way, along with so many others on here]
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2 - Took it apart. That was an adventure getting the pins out. Also discovered the previous owner astutely painted the rust before taking his ebay picture.
Taken apart

3 - Stripped the paint in process that made Al Gore cringe
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4 - Close up
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5 - Day at the Spa
home made chemistry set

6 - Damn! It works!
rusty dynamic vs bathed static

7 - Naked Lady - At this point. I really reconsidered painting it. Something about raw metal that is seriously satisfying.
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8 - Taped it up. I did that myself, but had a pro powder coat it. Overkill for a vise, but it does look nice now. I did pay just over a 1$ per pound for the powder coat though :D
Taped

9 - Finished (first pic, rear assembly not in, but rest of photos it is all together). Sense of accomplishment meter = 10.
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Thanks again for all the great information shared on here!!
 
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zyx5432

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I really wish I could find one for a good deal and do the same. Nice work.
 
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Thanks for the comments guys!

It was more enjoyable than I thought it would be.

Pricing - I am total newb at vises, ebay, and CL - so take for what it is worth....
I paid too much for this vise and kinda knew it. The knowledgable folks on here recommend $1 per pound or $25 per inch jaw width. I rarely found vises that low. I think flea markets and garage sales are best chance of finding killer deals. And you might be wasting a lot of saturdays and gas doing that.

CL
I have not bought one on CL yet, but I have an app on my ipad that searches ~12 cities at same time. I have a few friends/fam that would be willing to feed my habit and the other cities I could swing a road trip to visit friends fam. I have come close to pulling the trigger on a few.

eBay
I pulled down two/three months worth of data from eBay to verify I did indeed get ripped off for my vise. However, that info did lead me to bid on a very low priced vise (low relative to my data) and get it. A 1954 Wilton 4" jaws. Original paint, no rust, works like a champ. It is the one I am actually using on my 1911. The whole reason needed a vise to begin with. I love that damn vise more than big red featured here. And I freaking love big red.

My data - all auction sold - in case it helps someone
4 inch working wiltons
(includes 4", 4.5", swivel, no swivel, any year - but decent jaws, working, no visible cracks/welds)
Sample size 10
Ave sell price - $214
Std Dev - $65

Baby Wiltons - I have no interest, but seem to be popular.
Sample size 15
Ave price - $246
Std dev - $99

2 six in vises for $305 and $350
2 eight in vises for $1,282 and $1,350

1 C2 went for $550
 
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Ha ha ha!

I just need to hit a few times with the angle grinder and get it the hell over with.

You will see from my other comment, I bought a 2nd Wilton that I am actually using on the 1911. Needed a buy 2nd vise anyway so I could finish refreshing the 1st money-saving vise.

Dont scratch it!:lol_hitti
 
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Nice work! Now you've got me thinking about powder coating mine. I've got it all stripped down right now. Quick question, do you lube the dynamic jaw? If so with what? I've got a can of wheel bearing grease for the long bolt. Thanks in advance.
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Nice work! Now you've got me thinking about powder coating mine. I've got it all stripped down right now. Quick question, do you lube the dynamic jaw? If so with what? I've got a can of wheel bearing grease for the long bolt. Thanks in advance.

Hi DerrickWade -- Thank you for the complement!

I think it is common for folks to put a think layer of grease on it (any kind - not like this gets a lot of friction, heat, exposure, or pressure). This post by mjozefow [Vise Restoration Tips] notes that lubing it is even optional and he recommends Johnson Wax if you do. I put wax on mine and the other interior parts and works great so far. I also tried his recommended permatex anti-seize lube on the screw and I would say the feel (to me) is fast. He called it silky. Not sure if I like it better. Would need to do side/side to say for sure. In either case, the vise runs very nicely and really just getting picky at this point. The vise runs like a freaking dream.

I really like the powder coat. It was half what I paid for the vise to get it done. If you think you might sell the vise later, this is not the way to make money. However, for something for yourself, you might really enjoy it. Showing it off on here was nice, but not worth the money. However, it makes me smile every time I go in the garage, so I feel like it was worth every dime.

Do what you love.
 

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It looks great but highlighting the raised lettering would really add to it's looks.
 

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Yep, you've gone this far, highlight those letters.

It is beautiful, hope you are not afraid to actually use it now!
 

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Nice looking job on the vise, that powder coat looks flawless. How durable is it compared to say a nice coat of Epoxy? I have two Columbia and one Cman vises that I need to get to restoring.
 
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Nice looking job on the vise, that powder coat looks flawless. How durable is it compared to say a nice coat of Epoxy? I have two Columbia and one Cman vises that I need to get to restoring.

Good question, and I would be curious what others here would say.

I have direct experience, I believe epoxy would be better under the most extreme conditions. Other will say with the correct prep work and the job done "right", then PC is just as good.

My vise sits in my garage. No sunlight exposure, no rain. However, it does get used for real work and has withstood a few misplaced hammer blows. On the other hand, my angle grinder kicked its *** to the tune of a half inch nick.

I have rattle-canned my other vises, which are all indoors. They have a few chips.

PC was expensive. But in my otherwise plain garage (esp compared to most members here) - it is the first thing friends and neighbors see. "Wow, that looks like a nice vise". Makes my heart warm.

GoNCState
 

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I missed this thread the first time around but now that its been revived let me just say, beautiful work and thanks for sharing the cost analysis. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who can't seem to find the cheap vises that are supposed to be out there.

So how did you finally get the pins out?
 
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I missed this thread the first time around but now that its been revived let me just say, beautiful work and thanks for sharing the cost analysis. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who can't seem to find the cheap vises that are supposed to be out there.

So how did you finally get the pins out?

Thanks!!

PINS
I can't believe I am a little foggy on remembering this, because it was the toughest step of taken the vise apart. Punching in one of the pins to push the opposite one out is the correct method. I got stuck when I could only get the other pin out like 1/8 inch. Solution was to hammer it harder. I just had to accept I might be ruining my vise. I was able to get it out further and I could get visegrips on it and get it out the whole way. Used a punch to push the opposite pin back out a tad and the nut was free. Then I could use long punch to drive the remaining pin out.

Putting the pins back in was more difficult. Well, driving them in was easy, but lining up the rear housing to the pin holes in the vise body was the hardest part of the entire process.

PRICE
I looked at prices consistently on CL and eBay for most of this year. I found one great deal near me on CL, had to buy 4 vises, but great price and great vises. Everything else was mostly the same.
 

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Thanks!!

PINS
I can't believe I am a little foggy on remembering this, because it was the toughest step of taken the vise apart. Punching in one of the pins to push the opposite one out is the correct method. I got stuck when I could only get the other pin out like 1/8 inch. Solution was to hammer it harder. I just had to accept I might be ruining my vise. I was able to get it out further and I could get visegrips on it and get it out the whole way. Used a punch to push the opposite pin back out a tad and the nut was free. Then I could use long punch to drive the remaining pin out.

Putting the pins back in was more difficult. Well, driving them in was easy, but lining up the rear housing to the pin holes in the vise body was the hardest part of the entire process.

My only attempt at pin removal resulted in a 2 hour detour. On the vise I was working on, the pins were not diametrically opposed.....not even close. I thought maybe this was done intentionally since I didn't have anything to compare with. Ended up drilling one of them out.
 
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