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No Joy.
New supervisor.
Didn't pick up most of the dumpsters.
Now I have no available space to fill.
Have to deal with 10 full dumpsters.
Either wait for a week or load a trailer HF twice and take to the yard.
Tough day so far.
Getting dinner and then I'll haul more brick.
 
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Had a quick bite and went back out.
Most of these dumpsters are without wheels and were abandoned in the neighborhood. We use them to clean up abandoned houses and they are a ***** to drag around when full of heavy stuff.

I just had a brainstorm.

I got out my hand cart and a ratchet strap. Strapped even the heaviest ones, and took them all to an abandoned and burned out house we use for a staging area for cleaning up houses in the neighborhood. So all are off the street and I can put them out a couple a week. Mistake was in overloading them.
But I'm down to maybe 1 dumpster, so future removals will have to be by HF folding trailer.
Hips are hurting. Hell of a workout program.
Time for some pain pills.
NOW I can get at the brick!
 
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I've noticed a ton of negativity on a lot of threads lately. "You should tear that down!" "Why are you wasting your time on.....?" I guess I was taught different. I was taught that if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything. I don't know all of your circumstances, but I know I've made my share of mistakes. Good luck!
 

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I don't understand your comment. Detroit has great garbage service. That is what is helping us do this.

No Joy.
New supervisor.
Didn't pick up most of the dumpsters.
Now I have no available space to fill.
Have to deal with 10 full dumpsters.
Either wait for a week or load a trailer HF twice and take to the yard.
Tough day so far.
Getting dinner and then I'll haul more brick.

Orr just privatized the trash pickup....
 

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I've noticed a ton of negativity on a lot of threads lately.

I don't read the posts "above" as negative. However, I've been naive in the past - I don't think that's the case, this time. I think a lot of people got invested in actually helping him in the past and he's not ready to accept it.

I hope this thread is locked because it'll become a magnet for drama... if it hasn't already.

Bill, I know you didn't answer my question in the past, so I'll ask once again: What's the reluctance to going all in and get a 20 yard dumpster and really clean up?
 
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I don't read the posts "above" as negative. However, I've been naive in the past - I don't think that's the case, this time. I think a lot of people got invested in actually helping him in the past and he's not ready to accept it.

I hope this thread is locked because it'll become a magnet for drama... if it hasn't already.

Bill, I know you didn't answer my question in the past, so I'll ask once again: What's the reluctance to going all in and get a 20 yard dumpster and really clean up?

I have answered it before. The cost is a lot. And it wouldn't make for faster progress.

Until today, I had all the trash can capacity I needed. 12 or 14 of the 95 gallon Courville containers per week. More than I could fill alone.
Now, with Julie helping we could fill them, and did.

Let me help you understand. The following is a short list of some of the things we have to deal with and what will be done with them.

Household things:
This is all the things we purged from the house to make it liveable. They were under tarps in the back yard. All this needed to be gone through. It couldn't be thrown out wholesale because there were some things Julie and even I wanted to keep. Much of it was ruined by rainstorms. Easy for us both to part with. Of the rest, Julie, especially, needed to look at each item.
So over the weekend, I toted boxes out from the yard to the sidewalk where we set up a triage and she did her thing. This is how we filled the dumpsters. Everything ruined went right in, and everything else got decided on by her. Now, we still have a bunch of boxes. I have thrown away some things from this, reducing it further. Most of it, in her own words, is stuff she doesn't want to keep, but wants to sell rather than throw away.
To me, that means it has no value to us. The shortcut is to not wast time trying to sell or donate it. I will be throwing it away. We are pretty much at the end of this. Not much more of this in the yard, and wht there is, is ruined and will go. So no need for a big dumpster for this.

Lumber:
Ruined lumber is getting cut up and tossed. But not too much is ruined. And what I have, has a purpose. It will be the new shop. Have it designed and planned. It needs to be properly stored in the existing sheds.
A stack of vinyl siding also needs to go with it.

Tools:
There are some wood and metal working tools stored under tarps in the yard. These were bought for a purpose and are not going to be disposed of, with a couple of exceptions. They DO need to be put in the big shed. That is one of the tasks ahead of us.

The OSB ad drywall I had stored under tarps in the yard were all ruined. I have disposed of them all.

There is a stack of bundles of shingles for reroofing the main house. They need to go up on the roof.

There is a stack of brick that was to be used to line the front walk and driveway. It's time to do that. It's 1/3 complete and will be finished this weekend.

There is a few tons of limestone that was for lining the flowerbeds. This too, needs to be done, and will be this week.

A bunch of fluorescent fixtures. Will scrap or use on the garage and big shed.

There is 20 or so bins of clothing that was purged from the house. Since I will have room in the yard by tomorrow evening, when the brick is removed, there will be space for Julie to go through all of them. I suspect they will all be too old or out of style or wrong size and will go. Nothing we need a big dumpster for, but along with som of the other ods and ends, may require a trip to the DPW yard with the HF trailer.

Yard equipment:
Mowers, edgers etc. One of the sheds we are cleaning out will get this.

That's a rough outline.
This will leave us with a back yard clear of piles, with everything stored inside.
Should even be room for the utility trailer and pop up camper!

It is a throw out the ruined stuff and organize and put away the rest where it belongs project.

So your answer is that I don't have enough to fill a dumpster, nor could I fill it fast enough to make it worthwhile, even if it was free. If EVERYTHING was trash, it would be a good option. And if the trailer proves inadequate, and I can afford it, it will be an option I will take seriously..
 
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Bill,

If you will post a couple (3 exactly) of Craig's List ads for people to come help themselves to junk in your yard, I will personally contribute the cost of a delivery and pick up of a 10 yard minimum dumpster with at least a week to fill it.

Shoot me a PM with the delivery address and I'll make it happen.

Good luck!
 
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Nobody will take the junk I have. It's truly trash and has to be hauled out and disposed of.
A pile of broken used (1/2) bricks.
Some rotted lumber.
A few pieces of misc. rusted metal.
Some water damaged clothing and out of style clothing from re-sale stores.
A rusty 4" jointer
A damaged cedar chest
A cheap junky round corner table.
A rotted wooden step ladder.
3 wet cloth suitcases.
Some pieces of old, partly rotted stockade fencing.
2 partly rotted wood window screens
I can't remember what else. Maybe:
A couple more water damaged door slabs.
Some odd leftover pieces of granite counter tops pulled from dumpsters at the counter top company.
A stack of old dirty glass panes from a greenhouse we disassembled.
Pieces of an aluminum Hobie Cat trailer that was demolished in a crash.
Some aluminum pieces from that same greenhouse.
A broken crappy plastic Craftsman band saw that's been outside for a while.
Hmmm...maybe I do have more pure junk and trash than I want to easily haul on that small HF trailer. And maybe I do have enough stuff for the scrappers to stop for if I put it on the curb.
Got me thinking...
Let's see how things shake out with Julie and me working this weekend. This project IS going to get done, one way or the other, and soon!
 
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Couple more things.
I have 2 ladder racks for the E350 van. One needs to be sold or scrapped.

There are some packages of batt insulation that need to be used, or if ruined, disposed of.

A couple sections of steel fencing.

A hexagonal, metal framed, screened enclosure, missing it's vinyl top/roof.

2 motorcycles.

2 edgers. The better one to be kept. The other sold or donated to the neighborhood group.

2 lawn mowers. Same solution.

A stack of 2x6's that were used lumber from a disassembled deck. Was going to use for framing for a deck. Not sure if I will.

A ruined wood and upholstery bar stool - discard

TV antenna tripod - Needs to go up on roof.

2 stacks of 1 1/2" pink Dow rigid insulation. Needs to be installed in basement or attic.

Old Weber BBQ in extreme disrepair - dispose of

Misc. ladders and garden carts. Mount on hooks on shed walls.

Probably more I've forgotten.

It becomes apparent that I could fill a small dumpster. But the time to get all these things out would take too long for it to just sit there.

BUT...I can get them all out and assembled in a group, ready to load...then it would be a good thing.

Two more things. A dumpster would make the 10 trash cans I already have, disappear more easily, for sure.

But here in Detroit, you don't leave a dumpster just sit. It fills up overnight. You MUST fill it immediately and pick it up promptly, or neighbors will overfill it and the company won't take it until you empty part of it. Seen it happen a block away.

BTW...Sent PM

After I get stuff assembled and get rid of some things on CL and donate a couple more...this could really help us.
 
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PM returned.

I hope we can work this out to your benefit and continued success.
 

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Two things to say. If the clothes have been out there for more than a year, then you guys don't need them, so give them to Goodwill or a mission or something. Second, TAKE Riley UP ON HIS OFFER! Good luck and keep moving.
 
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Another day to begin.
Traded PM's with Riley and I accept his kind offer.
Here's the game plan on our end.
Julie and I will clean out the yard and amass the junk on the side sidewalk and berm.
We will pull out the things for sale and donation and put them on CL.
Once everything is done (Next Wed. or Thur.), if we don't have another disposal method available, we will take Riley's kind offer and fill his dumpster.
That's the plan. Plans can go awry, but that's our goal.
Well...to the trenches!
 
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Just had breakfast.
Filled a few buckets with broken bricks and filled up the last two mostly full dumpsters (Trash cans) and will tote them off today.
Now I am taking the pile of brick (Chest high) 7 at a time, in my hands, to the front walk and drive to edge and border them.
When that is finished I can pull out 2 mowers and give Julie access to look through the 30 or so clothes bins.
While she is doing that, I will work on the rest of the lumber.
 

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Bill,

If you will post a couple (3 exactly) of Craig's List ads for people to come help themselves to junk in your yard, I will personally contribute the cost of a delivery and pick up of a 10 yard minimum dumpster with at least a week to fill it.

Shoot me a PM with the delivery address and I'll make it happen.

Good luck!

That is an awesome offer.
 
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Brick, brick, brick!
Just threw away half a dumpster of broken or partial brick and hauled it off.
Still have about 400 to move.
Got Julie access to her clothes and material bins. She is sorting. Some winter sweaters go in the house.
A bunch of t-shirts she has outgrown, she wants to donate. NO WAY! Too much time and trouble. Into the next dumpster they go.
Got rid of 2 more dumpsters this morning, total. Also got rid of the rest of the cut up doors.
Hips aching, so we both took a little break.
Can't wait to finish these damned brick!
 

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I just caught up !

I went through a mini version of this a few years ago at the repossessed house my son bought. He was lucky, he had me and his mother for labor and they city would take anything that fit into a 32 gallon can and did not weigh more than 50lbs !

We threw out over 100 broken bricks, a few at a time. All odds and ends of wood not worth keeping was cut down to fit in the trash cans. Over the next year he demo-ed a laundry room, a half bath and a full bath. Lots of drywall, etc. Scrappers grabbed anything metal and the trash guys picked up as many as 14 cans at one time.

This year, he demo-ed the lower level family room. More plaster board and paneling. I broke/cut everything up so that it fit in the cans. It was always nice to see empty cans the next day !
 
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Recent announcement,

The city on Thursday also announced a move to privatize trash collection and add curbside recycling. Advanced Disposal Services, of Point Vedra, Fla., and Rizzo Environmental Services, of Sterling Heights will take over waste collection in March 2014.
 
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Well that was fun...
While Julie went through bins of clothes and cleaned the bins, which had sat under trees and had lots of tree doodie on them...I moved bricks and more bricks. Must have been a thousand. I'll count them someday. Lots of spiders in the stack.
Moved them all to the front yard to line the walk and driveway. A lot of them already set in place, but a wall of brick2 1/2' high and 20' long still to be placed.
At least the pile is moved and the partials thrown away.

Dark now.
I need to set up some lights back there so I can work later.

Having a bit of diner and then I'll do some more stuff. Don't know what yet.

Very satisfying day, so far.
 

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I have answered it before. The cost is a lot. And it wouldn't make for faster progress.

Back in the Grunge Garage thread I offered to pay for a roll-off dumpster to be brought to your place. You didn't want it.

Members of the forum came to your house to help you get plumbing fixed. If I remember correctly your basement was full of stuff and flooded with sewage.

You didn't accept help then. That was last winter. Have you fixed the plumbing since?
 
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Back in the Grunge Garage thread I offered to pay for a roll-off dumpster to be brought to your place. You didn't want it.

Members of the forum came to your house to help you get plumbing fixed. If I remember correctly your basement was full of stuff and flooded with sewage.

You didn't accept help then. That was last winter. Have you fixed the plumbing since?


No, it didn't get fixed. But it sure will this time. I am so tired of toting buckets.
And your offer was very kind.

Water is the first thing on the list after the yard cleanup.
 
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As you can see, it is early morning and I'm up and getting ready for the day.
Since all the brick was dealt with, the next thing on the agenda is lumber.
I will be spending the day sorting and hauling and putting away all the scattered piles and pieces.

Everything takes longer than you think it will, so while I think I can get it done today, it might take longer.

But if I can do it quicker, the next thing I want to hit is the stack of 30 some odd bundles of shingles for the re-roof. They need to be lifted onto the second story roof. Should be fun with a torn rotator cuff. I have a scaffold, so will be lifting them level by level. Should be a great workout.

Julie can deal with support functions like fixing us meals. And there are a bunch of empty bins that she cleaned out to fill with the things she sorted for donation. And a bunch more stuff to fill dumpsters with. We consolidated the full dumpsters and have 3 empties.

Well, that's today's marching orders.

There is now a space about 10x20 cleared in the back yard, that was formerly a 6' high stack of lumber and siding and brick. Another 10x20 stack 8' high has been reduced by half. And another area about 4' wide by 6' high by 15' long has been cleared. The whole back yard is 40x65, so it is starting to empty.

This kind of physical activity sure changes your sleep patterns. Fell asleep before 11 and up early!
 
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In for a break and some pain pills. Found a bunch more bins and Julie is sorting through them and cleaning them. Some contain silver for the dining room. Some have my clothes which I will sort and discard more of, when I get a chance.
Didn't get to the lumber yet, as I have been assisting Julie.
Did pull a bunch of misc. things out of the yard. Stuff I thought I needed, but don't. Hose reels, plastic starter trays for gardening. etc.
Raked the leaves out.
Pulled out all the bins she finished with, to bring them around the front, and into the house. We now have a bunch of empty ones and a pile of clothes to donate and a pile to discard.
Now we have access to the 3 BBQ grills and the smoker. One will go to the hangar and one to the property. Gonna have some nice BBQ this winter!
When we go back out, I will continue until the main part of the yard is open and clean and raked.
Then I will get into the lumber.
Need to take some photos to document the progress.
 

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Just a thought Bill but the shingles may be a "bridge too far".

I think I'd stack them near the job and let the roofers move them when they start the job. No sense hurting yourself or taking a tumble.

When I get stuck trying to do more than I really have time for, I try to pick the high value jobs first. I often find it easier to get from 0 % to 50%, or 50% to 80% than 90% to 100%. Sometimes the last 10 percent requires a great deal more effort than the first 90 percent.

Keep your self healthy and keep moving!
 

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All this stuff you collected...how much of it was free? If so, why are you holding onto it so hard? There's always more free stuff.

Did you say you quit your job in order to clean up your stuff?
 
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Just a thought Bill but the shingles may be a "bridge too far".

I think I'd stack them near the job and let the roofers move them when they start the job. No sense hurting yourself or taking a tumble.

When I get stuck trying to do more than I really have time for, I try to pick the high value jobs first. I often find it easier to get from 0 % to 50%, or 50% to 80% than 90% to 100%. Sometimes the last 10 percent requires a great deal more effort than the first 90 percent.

Keep your self healthy and keep moving!

You are right.

Today pulling all we can out of yard.

Fast progress. Clearing large center of yard. Sorted 48 bins. Filled 2 dumpsters and made a big pile at curb.
 
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Just a thought Bill but the shingles may be a "bridge too far".

I think I'd stack them near the job and let the roofers move them when they start the job. No sense hurting yourself or taking a tumble.

When I get stuck trying to do more than I really have time for, I try to pick the high value jobs first. I often find it easier to get from 0 % to 50%, or 50% to 80% than 90% to 100%. Sometimes the last 10 percent requires a great deal more effort than the first 90 percent.

Keep your self healthy and keep moving!

Riley,
Just a note....I am the roofer! And I want to present the city with as much empty ground as possible. But you are right. There are lots of lighter things to remove first. But in the end, if time allows, they will at least start going on the scaffold.
 

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You are right.

Today pulling all we can out of yard.

Fast progress. Clearing large center of yard. Sorted 48 bins. Filled 2 dumpsters and made a big pile at curb.

48 bins of clothes and whatever, that belongs IN the house, setting outside in the weather for God knows how long 3 years, 5 years,? Great progress Bill. Most people don't have 48 bins of stuff like clothes and whatever in total. You've pissed away so much time sorting trash, resorting trash, and filling up TRASH CANS. That is not a dumpster in most peoples eye's no matter what you want to call them. The stuff you moved yesterday, the day before, before that, and today, is the same stuff that you have been shuffling around for a couple years now. You buy it or drag it home from somewhere, then because you don't have room in the house, you put it outside under a tarp. If the **** out in the yard has been there since last year, especially clothes for ****'s sake, you don't need any of them. Sorry to bust your bubble, but people don't store clothes outside in a tub.

And most people don't need a minute to minute update just so you can get them to pat your bck and say "good job Bill". Show some before and after pics to see whats been done. Some pics of actual work. Priorities, for some reason seem to escape you. The main priority should be the house. A good roof, running water, a good sewage tile, and a place that you can sit back and relax. But for some reason, that all escapes your mind. You keep on wanting to **** around outside just shuffling things around from one place to another and then brag about your accomplishments.

And in telling the story, fill the newbies that are behind you on this thread about how many pop-up campers you still own and collect. If I remember correctly, it was something like 14 or so? Now it's been 2 years. No running water, because you state that you are still toting it from the neighbors. I can bet that you have never even touched the basement. You've had offers for getting your plumbing fixed, you've had offers for people paying out of their pocket for roll-off containers, but you refuse those offers and just **** around with moving this or moving that. The **** you stored outside for years, including clothes....it's no good. It's outdated, or it's ruined. If it had any value, it wouldn't have been stored outside in the first place.

Go back and read through "The Grunge Garage" from quite a while back. What you are telling people today is the same thing that you told people back then. The only difference is that a couple of years have passed, and now the City is on your ***. Your perils are not because of the city, it is something that you both have created for yourself. Anytime you have to store articles of clothing outdoors it tubs or totes, plus have a hangar you store stuff in, it just isn't normal. If clothes have been outside for a year or two, or longer, it's trash, plain and simple. There is no monetary value to it any more. No one should even be screwing around opening the tubs and start sorting stuff, because you'll just pack it in and pack it right back out and throw a tarp over it.

Bill....you are a smart guy until it comes to taking care of your life, then it has been one excuse after another. The time you spend on the computer making updates could be spent throwing everything away. Get a roll off container, in which you have been offered many times, and clean the complete outdoors up. Then get another one and clean the basement up so you can get down there to get your water and sewer fixed. You've already pissed away a couple of years doing the same thing. All of your great plans for doing this, and doing that outside is coming to a halt in another week or so. It's going to be cold, it's going to be snowing, and when it does, you'll be parked inside while Julie goes to work everyday. And with that, you say you QUIT your job. Maybe I'm wrong, but the last I knew, it was always the man that should take care of the woman and not the other way around. So let some of the new people that are new to this thread what is really going on. The title is very deceiving to some with "The Great Little Garage" that is just a glorified name from "The Grunge Garage". Like a lot of people would say....."Same ****, different day", orin this case, "Same ****, different name"
 
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Kevin,
You are right in most of your comments above. What you do not understand is that in the mind of someone afflicted with hoarding impulses, they cannot determine the value of things. The value is based on the good deal they got when purchasing it or getting it for free. That value is inflated and never decreases, even when the item isn't used.

I have a sidewalk lined with all the things we are talking about. All the stuff dragged home. All the clothes that have been in the yard for 3 years after being in bins in the spare bedroom for years before that Old doors that have been weathering in the yard etc. etc.

Julie HAS to sort and go through this stuff in the bins. She couldn't stand it to have it all thrown out wholesale. I have started to progress a little further in my thinking. It almost all looks like trash to me. I've even started thinking of the lumber that I have hoarded, not as a benefit, but as a burden. I'm thinking that in the next couple of days, I will get rid of most of it. My new way of thinking is extending to things of some value. We have 2 lawn mowers and 2 edgers. In the past I would think of the second one as backup. Tomorrow I am going to roll the spare of each over to the neighborhood group and donate them. And the clothes she so carefully sorted? The bins she set for donation are going to be dumped. I don't have time to go to the drop box. It's all old resale shop stuff anyway. We have filled dumpsters, I mean trash cans, full of books and papers. Some people said donate them. I haven't the time.
You mentioned the house as a priority. Right now, the yard is the priority because of the city. This week it has to be cleared. Then the house. And I am taking the kind offer of Riley, for a roll-off.

My posting is done during breaks for food and like now, in the middle of the night. I need a minute by minute to keep myself motivated. I will post a photo. We have a 20x20 space cleared in the yard. Real progress.

So let me leave you with this. I agree that what we have out on that walk is all useless. And I am going to dispose of as much of it as I possibly can. It won't be coming back in the house, nor will it go back in the yard. I've bought my last tarp.

Here's the junk on the walk so far (Tomorrow I'll snap a photo of the cleared area - And in a couple of days a photo of that sidewalk empty) :
 

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Rain is supposed to let up at 9 and resume at 2.
So the plan for this morning is to keep bringing misc. things out of the yard and assembling them on the side.
Rake the rest of the cleared area.
Bring out the small lumber pile.
Bring out misc. things.
Bring out mower and edger and donate to block club.
Clean out big shed.

That should be enough to get started!
 

Bronson

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Rained out by a deluge. Soaked to the skin.
Got half the small lumber pile pulled out. Plus some suitcases and misc.
Gotta work inside for a bit.

....and the roof is still leaking.
Winter is here.
Lets put on a roof....in the snow and rain, with a torn rotator cuff.
What did You do all summer and fall, when You could have been putting a roof over Your head?
Sorry, Bill, I just don't understand Your priorities.
But... I AM still pulling for You.
 
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