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keelan

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I have a 12x17 room at the back of my garage that I need to heat.

The good: The room is surrounded on three sides concrete block walls, backed by dirt right to the top. The fourth wall and ceiling are well insulated. It's about as close to a cave as a person can get. I have around 12,000 pounds of cast iron in there, so the space has quite a bit of thermal mass.

The not-so-good: For a number of reasons, Electrical heat is my only option.

I want the space to be continually heated, not necessarily room temperature, but above freezing. I've read that a good guideline to follow is 10 watts per square foot, which puts me a little over 2 kW to heat the space. Baseboard heaters are a good option for me, as I'll have quite a bit of unusable wall space on both sides of the space.

I've been looking at Dimplex's Linear Proportional Convectors (who are they kidding, they're still baseboard heaters!), a 1250 watt unit takes up 35" of wall space. I'm thinking that two of those, on on each 12' wall, would provide enough heat to keep me more than comfortable. The Dimplex LPCs are made in Canada, which gives me a little bit more comfort from the standpoint of manufacturing quality.

I'm a bit concerned with the watt density of the Dimplex units; they can heat the wall above them to around 70 degrees C when in operation, I'm happy to spread the heat around a little bit more than that. Are there other options I should be looking at? I'd be happy the same with wattage in a larger unit if possible, but there doesn't seem to be much readily available. Of course, I've only looked at what is available at the local hardware stores - Rona, Home Hardware, Home Depot. I've found some made by "Global Commander" that are 60" long for a 1250 watt unit, but I have trouble having faith in a name like that.

My preference is something passive -- no moving parts (fans) means less stuff to break down, but maybe I should be looking at something other than baseboard heaters?
 
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keelan

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I spoke too soon. "Global Commander" heaters are made in Canada. Well, Quebec. Close enough. And they're much cheaper than the fancy pants proportional units... But the idea of proportional control actually appeals to me... Still interested in hearing about baseboard alternatives, though.
 

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I'm looking at some thing similar for "Frost Protection" - humidity control

The idea is to prevent any dew from forming on my cast iron which are milling machines and saws. 45 Deg F seems to be enough to keep dew from forming on the tooling, but running electric heat for comfort (min 65 deg F) can be very expensive.
 
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keelan

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jvitez,

Well, as luck would have it, Ouellet is the company that owns the "Global Commander" brand!
 
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keelan

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JoeFin,

If I'm being realistic with myself, I don't get a lot of free time to be out there, so I won't be keeping the room at a comfortable temperature for very long compared to how long I'm just keeping it from freezing.
 

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Baseboard heaters do a good job of air circulation actually, but if you want to be sure and stir it up, a ceiling fan on low speed, in the middle will take the heat that rises up the wall to the ceiling and push it back down again. The circulation may also help to prevent condensation which would be a problem with all of the "iron" you have in there. (machinery I guess?)

Charles
 
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keelan

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Charles,

2 Linotype machines, a printing press, 12x36 lathe and a milling machine. The ceiling fan is a good idea.

The climate is quite dry here, and I haven't had any trouble with condensation, even without heat at all, fortunately.
 
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keelan

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Well, I'm sold on the Oulette heaters. The low-watt-density models are exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, jvitez. I can get them through a bunch of local electrical supply places, which are way more fun to visit than Home Depot.

They were also the star of a "How It's Made" segment:


Pretty simple, not that I expected more from a baseboard heater, but interesting nonetheless.
 

Lewisthepilgrim

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baseboard heaters work well for a simple yet effective means of heating a WELL insulated space. They transform your electricity into heat, fantastic. BUT for the money you spend on the baseboard heaters, you could pick up a ceiling or wall mount unit and not worry about sawdust collecting on the floor and starting a fire !

with that said, I currently have 2500w of baseboard heat in my garage, and not a moment goes by when I'm not quite aware of the fact that they are there... I can't wait to get rid of those things for the ceiling mount dayton i just bought on black friday :)
 
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The walled of portion of my shop exists to create a dust free zone for the machinery in there, sawdust won't be a problem. My worry with those ceiling mounted heaters is that there is a lot of energy being dissipated in such a tiny space. If the fan dies and the over limit switch craps out, then I have 4800 watts being dissipated in an area less than a cubic foot. The only difference between a baseboard heater, and a baseboard heater that is stuck on with a broken limit switch is that it doesn't turn off. Otherwise, it's doing what it would normally do, and by design the heat will dissipate naturally.
 

Lewisthepilgrim

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The walled of portion of my shop exists to create a dust free zone for the machinery in there, sawdust won't be a problem. My worry with those ceiling mounted heaters is that there is a lot of energy being dissipated in such a tiny space. If the fan dies and the over limit switch craps out, then I have 4800 watts being dissipated in an area less than a cubic foot. The only difference between a baseboard heater, and a baseboard heater that is stuck on with a broken limit switch is that it doesn't turn off. Otherwise, it's doing what it would normally do, and by design the heat will dissipate naturally.

chances of the fan,thermostat, AND thermal cutout failing at the same time are rather slim my friend. If you're worried just wire in another thermal cutout in series....problem solved :)
 

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Even though you have three walls backed by earth, I'd still want some insulation on them. Just a single layer of foam board will create a nice thermal break and prevent heat loss. It'll be money well spent and pay itself back when the electric meter starts spinning.
 
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