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These are fantastic, but I am like many others and we like a strip going on the walls or something in the garage. I think a walnut or some dark wood strip inlaid in these doors would but you on Godly Garage level, like your house.

Thanks!

Interesting idea but I don't think I can consider the decorating touches until I'm more finished. Things like air lines and benches are still to be done so I have a long way to go yet.

Gregor

PS I'll consider the Sortimos for down the road. I do love quality tools but I'm going to have to take an "ignorance is bliss" stance for now just to get in. This shop and thread will go on for years I can assure you so for now consider these the broad strokes of my shop. The detail work will come in time - like when I live in the damn house.

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Today was a big day but first some of my progress from the last couple days.

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I didn't really think my Sysport all the way through evidently. It's a learning curve for sure but since the whole Euro 32mm cabinet thing is based on strict rules I just sort of plowed forward after making 9 cabinets and drilled my first row of holes at 37mm - the standard. It's actually correct if you were going to use a false drawer front that covered the frame but that wasn't my plan. Drat.

The good news is that I made it deeper than it needed to be and so I had room to move the slides back. It negated all the system holes I drilled but that's okay because I could finally use some of the baltic birch strips I had left over.

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I have been wanting to use that angled roundover bit on baltic birch as I love that look.

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I also made my tolerances too tight by like 2mm in the width so the only way to get the Systainers to sit between the slides was if I offset the plywood a bit. They actually fit, exactly, but were too tight for the slide to work. Sigh, another lesson learned the hard way. The good news is that by ignoring the all those holes I drilled and just placing the slides I seem to have lucked into a decent spacing I think. I'll work on it a bit tomorrow between coats of poly on...

...the vanity! Finally I made something that actually counts!

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And that required cutting up that expensive sheet of Walnut plywood. Went with a few more dominos this time...

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...and pocket screws and glue. So far so good. In fact I made a couple of mistakes but gave myself some extra room and was able to recover. Lots of lessons in this one. I'm getting better at this. Thankfully.


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Then it got busy...

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First the sinks showed up. The bar sink and the main one are both from Karran and are the inset flush mount. I get two chances to get it right I guess. Looking forward to putting them in.

Then the refrigerator showed up. A German Liebherr that's only 24" wide but very spacious inside. And no, it's not blue. It's stainless and covered in plastic.

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Followed close behind by the Viking range. Gonna make me some mother f*#@ing PANCAKES!

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Pardon my French. Why do we say that anyway?

Since this entire remodel is being done out of pocket it took quite a while to save up for these guys. And it cost a motorcycle or two but I'm very happy with the choices. Now I really need to get my *** in gear and build as fast as I can which isn't very fast sadly. About my only remaining expense is the prefinished ply for the cabinets.

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Nice work. We recently bought my wife's dream home which is a 1970 built home that her aunt and uncle had built. It is still modern in design and was designed by an architect and her uncle (an artist). It is in need of some work but nothing like yours.

It was a one owner home until September when we bought it. Next year we hope to be able to add a 28x50 foot addition to the garage / studio. Right now it is to cold to do anything outside other than shovel snow (was -15F Sunday morning).
 

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"Pardon my French. Why do we say that anyway?"

Gregor,

Your french is perfect. We say that sometimes (well more than sometimes - ha, ha) because its appropriate. I love the wheels on the boxes, who makes them?
 

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Gregor,

It looks like you are running the wood grain horizontal on the vanity door. I like it and if that is the case, is this also your plan in the kitchen? I'm guessing it would give a feeling of length you wouldn't get otherwise. If this is the plan, will the doors have a small gap between each with none of the cabinet box showing? What are your thoughts? How about the counter top in the kitchen, Formica with a stainless steel edge band, stone, concrete?

The appliances look great and while not available in mid-Century, they would have been popular, without a doubt. Now go cook some mother f*#@ing pancakes! :drool:
 

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Followed close behind by the Viking range. Gonna make me some mother f*#@ing PANCAKES!

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Pardon my French. Why do we say that anyway?


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Here is what I picture for your kitchen in my mind's eye.

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The only difference is I see it with horizontal grain patterns and either a soapstone, or stainless counter top. I even like the cork flooring.

Whatever you do, it will look great. Your tastes to date have been impeccable. :thumbup:
 

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wow. i can't even believe how much color changed this space, i really look forward to watching it all come together and you move in!

on the pancake note....


im just going to leave this here~ promise its not spam or something weird it just wont let me embed it into the post.
 
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Okay, catch up time.

I love the wheels on the boxes, who makes them?

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Sorry, a few people have asked about the casters. I got them on ebay 10 locking and 10 non-locking for like $35. It was a silly deal and I was worried they'd be **** as the photos were horrible but the name, Steinco, was from a German company so I rolled the dice and eSniped them.

SCORE! They're amazing. I think they're hospital casters but they roll like glass and are incredibly well made. Ebay is a great place to find casters.

Here is what I picture for your kitchen...
The only difference is I see it with horizontal grain patterns and either a soapstone, or stainless counter top. Your tastes to date have been impeccable. :thumbup:

Thanks! Actually I'm going vertical grain. The kitchen has lower ceiling so I wanted to accentuate the height with vertical grain. It would also make it easier to do the front of the peninsula since butting together vertical grain is much easier than trying to do 10' horizontal. Plus it would hark back to the giant wall of vertical T&G cedar that used to be there before we opened it up.

on the pancake note....


That was AWESOME! I wish I could rap like that when I make the kids pancakes. Er, I mean mother ******* pancakes! I guess this is an adult forum.

Here's something funny that I noticed in an earlier photo that maybe someone noticed but they were being kind and didn't mention.

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I saw that photo in my post and noticed one of the handles was off by a bit and the next day I checked it out - yup, I screwed the pooch on that one.

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This convinces me that I gotta do things right or it will make me crazy later. OCD is a cross to bear.

Thanks to Modern Jess who's thread I cruised through (nice job from a fellow OCD'er) I concluded what kind of air system I wanted to do. Well, Jess and a few hours in the forums here reading up on different types of air systems. So today I got a care package from Brown Santa (UPS) and I can't wait to put it in and get rid of this rats next of coiled up hose. I think this will be a good solution.

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In our old shop we had air everywhere and every machine had a drop and a blow off hose and I miss being able to just blow the chips off a part.

Lastly I finished my first Sysport. Well mostly finished. Considering the mistakes I made with the width and the drawers it was a happy accident that my height worked perfectly for several different sizes.

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This piece is rife with mistakes and kluges but in the end it will work fine and, again, it served it's purpose as I learned a huge amount about drawer slides. Mistakes I won't repeat in my next projects. So there you have it.

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glad you liked it haha, gets stuck in my head but I'm alright with that.

On a handle note and catching it in a photo I find my self when I paint or tattoo taking a photo to look at every once in a while during working as it lets you catch things like those off handles a lot easier.

I think when you get very detail orientated and have your nose right in it for hours sometimes its hard to get an 'honest' look at it when you step back. I see painters turning there work upside down to check composition and shape,or even looking at it in a mirror.

With iphones a quick photo works just as well to separate you just enough from work to see whats actually going on. Heck you can flip, flop and take all the color out of it on the stinkin phone how nuts is that? Anyhow good catch and I continue to look forward to seeing how this comes along.

completely on the other side of the fence as far as home sites ~ GJ being obviously masculine~ I follow a blog named younghouselove.com and as they work there way through there houses I think it really high lights how a change of color, texture or the occasional wall can really wipe the 80's right off a house.

So many homes, like yours, have such great 'bones' but its hard to see it threw all the beige and 70's blah blending it into the same ugh houses you've seen a million times.

It's fun to watch them change and it really helps me refine my vision for when we hunt for a home to buy to see what is really there...possibly :)
 

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Okay, catch up time.

Thanks to Modern Jess who's thread I cruised through (nice job from a fellow OCD'er) I concluded what kind of air system I wanted to do. Well, Jess and a few hours in the forums here reading up on different types of air systems. So today I got a care package from Brown Santa (UPS) and I can't wait to put it in and get rid of this rats next of coiled up hose. I think this will be a good solution.

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Gregor

I can't wait to see this system in and working. I'm thinking about using it for my garage, as well.
 
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You should have a handle jig for installing handles. You can either buy them at the big box stores, or just make your own with a few scrap pieces of wood. Take a 1x2 for the 90 angle and overlap on both sides of a piece of 1/2" plywood, then just drill the holes you want and you have a jig that can be flipped and used for either door.

http://www.todayshomeowner.com/video/how-to-make-a-drilling-jig-for-cabinet-handles-and-knobs/

I actually made a jig but somehow it slipped in use. The curse and blessing of a jig is that it saves you from thinking and measuring but if you don't bump the stops or whatever you'll make a mistake and not even think to check.

To Tim's point that's part of the reason for the blog and thread. It's encouragement of like minded peers but also you and the rest of the folks check your work. Like my garage window way back at the beginning. It's a bit like improv garage remodel.

Yes, I'm very excited to do the MaxAir as I loved doing Pex plumbing so it's basically the same.

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Cabinets look great! Still doing awesome work. Still haven't heard from your helper?
 

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Great thread, thanks for sharing! Keep up the great work, I will have fun following this thread.
 
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Cabinets look great! Still doing awesome work. Still haven't heard from your helper?

Actually I heard from his lawyer today and it's not good. It seems when he was arrested he had $8000 on him so it was confiscated as drug money. There is no drug charge against him, there were no drugs found on him or his vehicle despite searching him and his vehicle but they just decided to keep it anyway. Evidently the drug dog barked at the money. Yes, that's the reason they gave. Are you mutherfuckin kidding me? His lawyer has asked for the money back since there is no charge against him related to drugs or the money but there's no word on if that will happen. I know Jorgé and he doesn't even drink much less do drugs. The money he had was money I paid him for working his *** off for months. I've asked to testify on his behalf if and when it comes to that. I can't tell you how upset that makes me. How egregious and predatory and unjust.

Sorry. I get worked up just thinking about it.



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So onto more mundane things that I can control. Barely.

I haven't been able to mount the stupid downstairs vanity because when I went to my plumbing lines came out of the wall... in the middle of the hinge. Really? Sure, if you plan ahead and know what kind of sink you're going to put in when you're framing these sort of things don't happen. When you're doing it on your own from check to check and it takes almost a year... well, they do.

I'll spare you the photo but I had to open the wall up and rerun the pex to enter the cabinet in a place that wasn't the hinge. Then I had to repair the dry wall and mud it. And then wait for it to dry and sand it and do it again. And then wait for it to dry and...

Did I mention how pissed I am at the cops right now? Oh, I did? Okay.

So in the mean time I finished the other Sysport.

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They match up well, hold the bulk of my Systainers and they work. I need to sand and poly the drawers but I wanted to finish them first. I'm going to build a bench over them that will serve as a workbench for wood things and also as a miter station. To that end I think I'm going to inset the wall behind the Kapex so I can push it in just that little bit more. Between that and getting rid of the cord wrap in the back I should be able to gain 6 more inches. I mean, who wouldn't be happy with that right? :lol:

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In order to fill the odd spaces above the Systainers that were left I decided to make some drawers. More learning. They worked out well and they'll serve as good places to keep woodworking stuff.

So that's it for now.

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I was wondering about that stand - but then i read your post. I want to build a similar mitre bench in my 2-car attached.

Beautiful stuff.
 
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I was wondering about that stand - but then i read your post. I want to build a similar mitre bench in my 2-car attached.

Beautiful stuff.

Thanks!

There's some great miter station designs out there. Mine will be basically a floating bench that the Sysports can "dock" with somehow. I like magnets so I think I'll make it so that they just roll in and click into place with magnets and are held there by them. Pull hard enough and the Sysport will pull out and behind it I'll keep shallow tools like rails and squares and templates. In the 96mm space between the Sysports and the top I'll make some shallow drawers and the bench top will have T track for the miter fence and work piece clamping.

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Great work. how much weight do you suppose they can support?

Man, what a horrible sequence of events for our favorite helper Jorge. Real shame that people that actually want to work and be useful are subjected to such harassment, yet the lazy welfare queens are welcomed with open arms.
 

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Thanks!

There's some great miter station designs out there. Mine will be basically a floating bench that the Sysports can "dock" with somehow. I like magnets so I think I'll make it so that they just roll in and click into place with magnets and are held there by them. Pull hard enough and the Sysport will pull out and behind it I'll keep shallow tools like rails and squares and templates. In the 96mm space between the Sysports and the top I'll make some shallow drawers and the bench top will have T track for the miter fence and work piece clamping.

Gregor

I'll be checking in on that fer sure! Cheers.
 
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Great work. how much weight do you suppose they can support?

The Sysports or the casters? The Sysports could probably support 4-500lbs since they're loaded with tools and I can sit on them and they still roll very easily. Can't imagine them failing in any way. The drawer slides are rated for 100lbs so I'm fine there.

I finally finished the sink vanity today. I still need to do some trim in that room but it was good to finally finish something. It's remarkable how much went into such a simple little box. I'm very happy with it though.

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I also bought some Russian baltic birch for drawers and the wood bench in the garage. I find that I can work on two projects at once with the finishing and so I keep the garage stuff going as it makes the rest easier when I can find things.

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While i wait for RC8R engine this is by far the best blog to follow. Keep it coming in the Holidays.

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Actually I heard from his lawyer today and it's not good. It seems when he was arrested he had $8000 on him so it was confiscated as drug money. There is no drug charge against him, there were no drugs found on him or his vehicle despite searching him and his vehicle but they just decided to keep it anyway. Evidently the drug dog barked at the money. Yes, that's the reason they gave. Are you mutherfuckin kidding me? His lawyer has asked for the money back since there is no charge against him related to drugs or the money but there's no word on if that will happen. I know Jorgé and he doesn't even drink much less do drugs. The money he had was money I paid him for working his *** off for months. I've asked to testify on his behalf if and when it comes to that. I can't tell you how upset that makes me. How egregious and predatory and unjust.

Sorry. I get worked up just thinking about it.

Asset forfeiture is one of the most sickening abuses of the ever expanding police state. Police departments fill their coffers with "drug money" since it is legal for them to use seized assets in their budget. Basically if you get pulled over on your way to buy a car with a few thousand cash on you, you can kiss it goodbye. :shocking:
 
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Hurry up and put up a mirror so I know how to stand in front of that thing. looks great.

That's funny. I think you should just face the wall between them. No the sink is set lengthwise but I did think of wrapping the corner with mirror. It's probably something I'll realize I'll need to have thought of sooner and it will necessitate opening another wall...

Asset forfeiture is one of the most sickening abuses of the ever expanding police state. Police departments fill their coffers with "drug money" since it is legal for them to use seized assets in their budget.

That fits with your Friedrich Nietzsche quote perfectly. Cops were different when I was a kid. They weren't better armed than the military for one and they could give directions for the other. :headscrat

While i wait for RC8R engine this is by far the best blog to follow. Keep it coming in the Holidays.

Regards from Denmark

I hope that someday we meet up on our respective bikes and get a beer together. And that you don't convince me to do an RC8R...

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Progress today on the upstairs bath vanity but it's another two steps forward one step back as I didn't anticipate floating such a heavy cabinet so I didn't install blocking on that wall. Well after considering the option of hanging it on just the three studs I gave in and tore into the sheetrock to install some blocking. I was too tired to remember to shoot photos so tomorrow I'll post some up.

Thanks guys!

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Basically if you get pulled over on your way to buy a car with a few thousand cash on you, you can kiss it goodbye. :shocking:

Isn't that why cheques exist? :)

Perhaps of note:
An urban legend states that most U.S. banknotes have traces of cocaine on them,[1] and is in fact accurate. In 1994, the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals determined that in Los Angeles, out of every four banknotes, on average more than three are tainted by cocaine or another illicit drug.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_currency

I guess it works in their favour.
 
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That's funny. I think you should just face the wall between them. No the sink is set lengthwise but I did think of wrapping the corner with mirror. It's probably something I'll realize I'll need to have thought of sooner and it will necessitate opening another wall...

Gregor

So when you are washing your hands your Right elbow would be jammed up against the wall? hmmmm I will just pee out back of your garage and wash my hands from your hose.
 
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Huge congrats on a stunning home & Shop!
It's taken me 3 or 4 days to read every word!(in my spare time of course)
And I've read every word-
I truly enjoy(respect) your attention to detail-and great sense of style...
As im reading through, I've been rooting for you to be done by Christmas!
Your months turned into hours for me- please keep us informed of even the smallest achievements- or setbacks....
And my fingers are crossed for Jorge-
Looks like he was a real asset to you- we could always use good productive people in OUR country!
Nice to see your dad hanging around - I'm sure being able to 'help' you out is helping him out as well!
Giving him purpose....
Anyway, get back to work- your ALMOST done!
 

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So when you are washing your hands your Right elbow would be jammed up against the wall? hmmmm I will just pee out back of your garage and wash my hands from your hose.

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That is disheartening news regarding your worker. I hope he gets his hard-earned cash back.
 
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So when you are washing your hands your Right elbow would be jammed up against the wall? hmmmm I will just pee out back of your garage and wash my hands from your hose.

I grew up on a farm so I'm with you on that one. I still drink from the hose and I taught my kids to drink from the faucet - much to Judiaann's consternation. Nadia did that at school one day in front of me and a teacher and the teacher looked at me in shock, "I have no idea where she learned that!" Oh, I taught her that.

Huge congrats on a stunning home & Shop!

Your months turned into hours for me- please keep us informed of even the smallest achievements- or setbacks....

Anyway, get back to work- your ALMOST done!

Thanks! and oh, I have small achievements (that's what she said!). It's all I have every day, very small victories. I oscillate between hopeful and hopeless every week. Umm, Christmas, yeah, not this year dammit.


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Okay, on to small victories.

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I blocked out the bathroom wall for the vanity. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to do this before - I mean, I blocked the entire opposite wall just so I could put a towel bar anywhere on it's length. Oh well.

One thing that was bugging me was the sloppy nature of my pocket holes. I've been using a Porter Cable jig and it seems the holes are sloppier than I remember so I bit the bullet and bought a Kreg jig even though the functionality of the Porter Cable one is nicer (it auto adjusts for width and depth). An aside: One of the great things about having a lathe in your workshop is the instant ability to whip up adapters when things like the vacuum port of the jig are too small. The mill is more useful but the lathe seems to get used more.

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But the proof is in the pudding as they say - who is they by the way? What pudding? Kreg on the right and Porter Cable on the left.

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I think that the problem with the Porter Cable is that they put a lot of thought into the design and then cheaped out on the actual drill guide making only the top part in steel. The Kreg is steel all the way down and the tolerance is tighter. Yeah, down the road I'll make a steel sleeve for the Porter Cable - you know, because who doesn't blueprint their pocket hole jig?

Umm, what else? Oh, right the vanity that I'm building. I finished the carcass but need to wait on my drywall repair before I can install it. I have avoided the fast set compound because I didn't want to mix it but I'm now ready to do anything to speed the process. That and because I now have a slop sink that works in the laundry room so I can wash stuff in a sink instead of a bucket. Yes, small victories indeed.

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Along the way I discovered a way to keep my drill from blowing out the other side. Probably basic stuff but it's part of my march toward "better". I drill a small pilot hole in the back and then mark the depth of the cut on the hole saw with a marker so I know when to stop and switch sides. Works a treat.

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Lastly I decided to start work on the workbench while waiting for the compound to dry. I wanted more practice on keeping tolerance and it's working.

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I'm so slow the plywood I'm using was trees when I started this. It was also my first time using true Russian Baltic Birch which comes in 5' x 5' sheets and it a bit more money than regular plywood. But it's worth it. The thin veneers just cut nicer and machine nicer. Difficult to carry however.

Okay, I'm getting closer. I want so much to work on the weekends that I'm considering telling Judiaann that I'm going to watch a football game with my dad so I can sneak over to the house to put in a few more hours.

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Something i learned over the years drilling with hole saws- on the finished or exposed side- after the pilot bit is in but just before the hole saw contacts your material- REVERSE the drill so you are scoring the material- before you start to bore through it-that will help prevent the ply from splintering - and drill halfway through from each side-nothing exact but then the wood puck doesn't get so buried into your hole saw either. Making it much easier to drill more holes without having to handle a HOT bit digging them out.
With the drywall compounds that are powdered mix- ( I'm located in s. Florida so I'm not exactly sure what you have locally) we have it available in-20 min- 45 min- and 90 min.
Its more of a working time with the material- the 20 will kick really fast if your not careful-I make smaller batches using it, so make sure you are fully prepared to get it out of your pan or bucket and onto the wall.
The 45 gives plenty of working time- Nothing to fear-i can mix half the bag in a 2 or 3 gallon bucket with a cordless drill and small mixing attachment, giving me enough material to fill a pan twice and get it on the wall with time to spare. And still clean your tools while its wet.
Do not cross contaminate between batches!
Clean tools and buckets between every batch.
You risk the new batch being 'set off' much earlier than expected by the previous.

These mixes are hard to sand and will leave a course finish- so I like to take down any high spots( with a 4" drywall knife or course sanding sponge) then go over everything with the premixed mud that comes in those heavy 5 gallon buckets. Adding just a splash(tiny)of water will make it nice and creamy and easier to work with and get that super slick finish on a wall. Sanding will be a breeze as well. Drying time is the issue.
You can use the powdered mix to expedite the drying time on the premix-getting the best if both worlds. I use small handfuls of the 20 min added to it.
This got really lengthy - my apologies-
 
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sakurama

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Great tips!

I knew about the drilling halfway thing with the hole saw but not about the reversing the bit - good tip. I'm going to take your advice about the drywall mud and give it a try this week as I have lots of patching to do throughout the house for the various cable runs we've been pulling.

Thanks. I am always learning here.

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Gregor

Try using a corded drill at its highest speed to drill the pocket holes.

I find a get cleaner holes than with a battery drill.
 

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Try using a corded drill at its highest speed to drill the pocket holes.

I find a get cleaner holes than with a battery drill.

Don't tell him that, he'll be stopped until Festool comes out with a corded drill!
 
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