Got my slab poured, but couldn't keep it wet enough?

[Kels]

What a bummer, this thread just showed me one more way that my contractor cut corners and did only what would be ok or work not necessarily done right...

Had I known that there is a method to this I would have gotten some poly or something for my slab heck I think I had enough or close to enough and just lacked the knowledge.

My Dads words keep getting proven more and more

"Ignorance costs money" & "If you want something done right you have to do it yourself"

and why people don't do things right the first time confuses me it saves so much time and money in the long run in most cases.

 

[Flounder_Pounder]

What a bummer, this thread just showed me one more way that my contractor cut corners and did only what would be ok or work not necessarily done right...

Had I known that there is a method to this I would have gotten some poly or something for my slab heck I think I had enough or close to enough and just lacked the knowledge.

My Dads words keep getting proven more and more

"Ignorance costs money" & "If you want something done right you have to do it yourself"

and why people don't do things right the first time confuses me it saves so much time and money in the long run in most cases.

So very true in this world today.... It's VERY HARD to find someone that really cares about the work they do for someone now-a-days, most just get it done good enough to get paid... and if it falls apart in 5 years... well hell they had nothing to do with it... this goes for small and mutli-million dollar civil projects alike... not all... but most...

Travis T

 

[bazzateer]

and why people don't do things right the first time confuses me it saves so much time and money in the long run.

But often costs more in the short term which is why people will often settle for what they can afford now as opposed to waiting until later when they can afford the higher price.

 

[treimers]

and why people don't do things right the first time confuses me it saves so much time and money in the long run in most cases.

It saves you money.
It doesn't save the contractor time or money, and they're often just out to get the check at the most profitable possible means.

There are some good contractors, no insult intended to the good ones on this forum.

All materials, time, and quality workmanship are nowadays viewed by most businesses (including contractors) as "expenses" that are sucking money out of potential profits.
This is because the general precedent is that they're 'off the hook' without an expensive and long lawsuit that may end in their favor anyway.
So there's no solid incentive for them to do good work, since so many do not do good work.
It's not like one company that does bad work gets put out of business.
When the greater majority of companies ALL take shortcuts, there's enough work out there for them all to succeed at cutting corners without getting punished for it.
The entire theory of the free market correcting itself collapses on it's face when most of an entire industry tends to slide down to a lower quality standard, or all charge large fees; the consumer has no recourse then, because the few companies that do better work are booked out months or years ahead, and people are forced to go with the lower quality company who (allegedly) can start the work on schedule

The alleged "free market" doesn't punish them appropriately and cull the bad businesses out of the market when it's the majority of businesses that are operating in a way that most consumers wish they wouldn't.

There is a very mistaken belief that only a tiny percentage of businesses
are immoral and unethical in how they work for customers. I think that's as true for contractors as it is for the healthcare industry, the finance industry, or anywhere else.

We need to find ways to make these people more accountable down the road for their actions.
Allowing people or businesses to be 'off the hook' after just a few months or a year or so simply encourages short sighted thinking, the performance of work that 'will be good enough to last until we're not responsible'.
Of course, every business out there will tell you that they don't do that, that their reputation lies on their work and whatever other blather and BS they need to say to try to convince you to sign that contract, sign it now.

But with things like the short term memory the public has, combined with a growing precedent of companies being allowed to sue customers for talking about their experience
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/couple-fined-3500-writing-negative-review/story?id=21018224

.. we are not in a good environment for companies to become more and more quality focussed.
We're heading the other way fast...

 

[Flounder_Pounder]

It saves you money.
It doesn't save the contractor time or money, and they're often just out to get the check at the most profitable possible means.

There are some good contractors, no insult intended to the good ones on this forum.

All materials, time, and quality workmanship are nowadays viewed by most businesses (including contractors) as "expenses" that are sucking money out of potential profits.
This is because the general precedent is that they're 'off the hook' without an expensive and long lawsuit that may end in their favor anyway.
So there's no solid incentive for them to do good work, since so many do not do good work.
It's not like one company that does bad work gets put out of business.
When the greater majority of companies ALL take shortcuts, there's enough work out there for them all to succeed at cutting corners without getting punished for it.
The entire theory of the free market correcting itself collapses on it's face when most of an entire industry tends to slide down to a lower quality standard, or all charge large fees; the consumer has no recourse then, because the few companies that do better work are booked out months or years ahead, and people are forced to go with the lower quality company who (allegedly) can start the work on schedule

The alleged "free market" doesn't punish them appropriately and cull the bad businesses out of the market when it's the majority of businesses that are operating in a way that most consumers wish they wouldn't.

There is a very mistaken belief that only a tiny percentage of businesses
are immoral and unethical in how they work for customers. I think that's as true for contractors as it is for the healthcare industry, the finance industry, or anywhere else.

We need to find ways to make these people more accountable down the road for their actions.
Allowing people or businesses to be 'off the hook' after just a few months or a year or so simply encourages short sighted thinking, the performance of work that 'will be good enough to last until we're not responsible'.
Of course, every business out there will tell you that they don't do that, that their reputation lies on their work and whatever other blather and BS they need to say to try to convince you to sign that contract, sign it now.

But with things like the short term memory the public has, combined with a growing precedent of companies being allowed to sue customers for talking about their experience
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/couple-fined-3500-writing-negative-review/story?id=21018224

.. we are not in a good environment for companies to become more and more quality focussed.
We're heading the other way fast...

Very well said sir!

 

[Just Primer]

It saves you money.
It doesn't save the contractor time or money, and they're often just out to get the check at the most profitable possible means.

There are some good contractors, no insult intended to the good ones on this forum.

All materials, time, and quality workmanship are nowadays viewed by most businesses (including contractors) as "expenses" that are sucking money out of potential profits.
This is because the general precedent is that they're 'off the hook' without an expensive and long lawsuit that may end in their favor anyway.
So there's no solid incentive for them to do good work, since so many do not do good work.
It's not like one company that does bad work gets put out of business.
When the greater majority of companies ALL take shortcuts, there's enough work out there for them all to succeed at cutting corners without getting punished for it.
The entire theory of the free market correcting itself collapses on it's face when most of an entire industry tends to slide down to a lower quality standard, or all charge large fees; the consumer has no recourse then, because the few companies that do better work are booked out months or years ahead, and people are forced to go with the lower quality company who (allegedly) can start the work on schedule

The alleged "free market" doesn't punish them appropriately and cull the bad businesses out of the market when it's the majority of businesses that are operating in a way that most consumers wish they wouldn't.

There is a very mistaken belief that only a tiny percentage of businesses
are immoral and unethical in how they work for customers. I think that's as true for contractors as it is for the healthcare industry, the finance industry, or anywhere else.

We need to find ways to make these people more accountable down the road for their actions.
Allowing people or businesses to be 'off the hook' after just a few months or a year or so simply encourages short sighted thinking, the performance of work that 'will be good enough to last until we're not responsible'.
Of course, every business out there will tell you that they don't do that, that their reputation lies on their work and whatever other blather and BS they need to say to try to convince you to sign that contract, sign it now.

But with things like the short term memory the public has, combined with a growing precedent of companies being allowed to sue customers for talking about their experience
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/couple-fined-3500-writing-negative-review/story?id=21018224

.. we are not in a good environment for companies to become more and more quality focussed.
We're heading the other way fast...

What do you suggest? Pass a new law. I focus on quality for my company and I have more work than I can handle. The other Contractors tell me they have to travel out of town to have enough work. We have enough BS laws to wallpaper the whitehouse. I don't need any more added certification taxes like the lead Cert that does nothing and charges me 300$ just to register my company name and then I am still not eligible to work on 3 sq ft with any form of disturbance.

 

[Flounder_Pounder]

I do not know of any one thing anyone can do…
It’s a bigger problem that’s related to how society is in the US etc. nowadays. You can say it goes back to the breakdown of the traditional family, people raising narcissistic kids, people that are only looking out for there own gain etc. etc but one thing is for sure its not an easy fix… heck half US doesn’t pay real taxes into a system and want handouts… Now a days even if you are successful and achieve success by doing Good work and make money you’re targeted and someone that needs to be taxed and taken down… it’s not a healthy time to do good…. it’s more about take what you can… than give in this world…

And you're right no paper from a broke\corrupt government can insure good work…

 

[Woody610nb]

It saves you money.
It doesn't save the contractor time or money, and they're often just out to get the check at the most profitable possible means.

There are some good contractors, no insult intended to the good ones on this forum.

All materials, time, and quality workmanship are nowadays viewed by most businesses (including contractors) as "expenses" that are sucking money out of potential profits.
This is because the general precedent is that they're 'off the hook' without an expensive and long lawsuit that may end in their favor anyway.
So there's no solid incentive for them to do good work, since so many do not do good work.
It's not like one company that does bad work gets put out of business.
When the greater majority of companies ALL take shortcuts, there's enough work out there for them all to succeed at cutting corners without getting punished for it.
The entire theory of the free market correcting itself collapses on it's face when most of an entire industry tends to slide down to a lower quality standard, or all charge large fees; the consumer has no recourse then, because the few companies that do better work are booked out months or years ahead, and people are forced to go with the lower quality company who (allegedly) can start the work on schedule

The alleged "free market" doesn't punish them appropriately and cull the bad businesses out of the market when it's the majority of businesses that are operating in a way that most consumers wish they wouldn't.

There is a very mistaken belief that only a tiny percentage of businesses
are immoral and unethical in how they work for customers. I think that's as true for contractors as it is for the healthcare industry, the finance industry, or anywhere else.

We need to find ways to make these people more accountable down the road for their actions.
Allowing people or businesses to be 'off the hook' after just a few months or a year or so simply encourages short sighted thinking, the performance of work that 'will be good enough to last until we're not responsible'.
Of course, every business out there will tell you that they don't do that, that their reputation lies on their work and whatever other blather and BS they need to say to try to convince you to sign that contract, sign it now.

But with things like the short term memory the public has, combined with a growing precedent of companies being allowed to sue customers for talking about their experience
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/couple-fined-3500-writing-negative-review/story?id=21018224

.. we are not in a good environment for companies to become more and more quality focussed.
We're heading the other way fast...

This sounds good until you realize that the most corrupt group are lawyers, so you can't even get the legal help when things go wrong.

 

[BrerHair]

.. we are not in a good environment for companies to become more and more quality focussed.
We're heading the other way fast...

Don't know what you do for a living, but I'll bet it ain't construction. You are one cynical Garage Journaler. The market does dictate the standards in luxury homebuilding, I can assure you of that.

To get back on topic, this is about keeping the freshly poured concrete wet during the 28 day curing process, or not keeping it wet. I submit that for garages (what are we talking about here?), no extra effort need be made to keep it damp during the curing process IF the substrate is good material and compacted, the concrete is minimum 3,000 psi mix, no water or calcium is added on site, and the placement crew is competent.

The homebuilder who does not care about quality, professionalism, and customer service will not make it for long. Not in North Carolina, anyway.

 

[joes169]

This sounds good until you realize that the most corrupt group are lawyers, so you can't even get the legal help when things go wrong.

And when you realize that most of our legislators are lawyers, it's even more dismal...........