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Greetings, my name is Dino, and I have a clocking addiction....but I think I have found an atmosphere of like minded folks. :lol:

I made it.....to the tenative end....it only took 4 days...but I made it! What a journey!

What an awesome project, that has brought so many people together.

You have to love the human interaction of like minded folks.

While I don't presently have any project cars, other than the family daily drivers, I have had several muscle cars in my youth......and hopefully will again in the future.

I have enjoyed this thread and gleaned a great deal of ideas and inspiration for my own garage.

A hearty "Thank You" for your tutelage on so many topics.

Congratulations on your retirement! Well earned might I add. :rocker:


I look forward to the future installments of the "1930's Auto Shop"

Regards,


Dino Gutierrez
 

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Thomas,
Great thread you got here. You really have accomplished a lot it looks like and I admire that. I have been a certified A&P Technician for 12 years. I started out on private jets in West Palm Beach, FL and moved over to King Air turbo prop C12 airframes for the last 7 years on a Military Contract in Germany. Currently I work for a German company that manufactures Air Ships called Zeppelin. We are in the process of building three Air Ships for Goodyear in Akron, Ohio now. I look forward to seeing what you do in your retirement. Congratulations by the way and enjoy it! My old man retired last Summer from a Public Works job in Florida for the City after 33 years. Tough not being able to see him, as I know he misses me terribly since I am all he has.

Matt
 

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Thomas, in regards to your equipment lift idea, check with a farm equipment dealer for a silo unloader winch. They are designed for the weight you are talking about, will stay in place and can be hand cranked or a good 1/2 inch drill can be used to power them. a picture attached for reference. Kim images (4).jpg
 

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Wow. What a journey.

It has taken me about a couple of weeks, but I made it through the entire thread and am eagerly awaiting more!

It was shortly after Christmas when I noticed this particular site popping up in google results for various tool inquiries that I was making. So, I figured I would sign up and take a look. My wife and I are looking to buy our first home come spring and I've been thinking about potential workshop/garage space so I made a bee line for the garage gallery, hoping for some inspiration. I found plenty of inspiration, but not the kind I thought I would. It felt so good to see the passion you and your wife have for everything that you do. Every post was a new adventure and brought back so many memories for me. It has motivated me to get more done around here and better value my time.

When I first saw "Restored 1930's Auto Shop" I almost dismissed it and figured I would come back later, but something made me click on it right then and there. I really haven't looked at anything else since!

I've always had a fondness for things old and liked the idea of being able to restore/re-use whenever possible. I attribute this to all the weekends I spent with my parents combing through flea markets, estate sales, garage sales, and thrift stores for treasure while growing up.

One memory in particular that your posts have stirred up was my dad using antique clamps to assemble a wall clock when I was around 7 or 8. I recall being struck by the fact that something old could still be used for it's intended purpose and probably do a better job!

Anywho, I feel as though I've been rambling here... I just wanted to say thank you again for sharing your experiences with all of us here. It almost sounds odd, but it really has meant a lot to me.

PS - I hope you guys are staying warm! I'm actually going to be in your area next week, driving from here to Springfield for business so I hope things warm up by then! :eyecrazy:
 

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It's raining here now. Most of the snow should be washed away by next week. Aren't January thaws lovely? Temps expected to be in mid to high 30s and partly sunny most of the week. Have a safe trip. PM us if you have some time to drop by for a bit.

Chris
 
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Typical home construction with a 8 foot finished ceiling in the basement and a typical 2 x 10 wood joist floor will land you pretty handy around 107.5 finish floor to finish floor. Of course this would depend on your floor construction and at what level your garage floor hieght is relative to the main floor of the house.
What about a track hoist placed over a set of trap doors as mentioned in a previous post. Then just build a pallet lifter. http://www.globalindustrial.ca/c/material-handling/hoists-cranes/cranes-overhead-hoist-pallet-lifters


Thanks gasgas17 for another good suggestion about a pallet lifter. That I hadn't considered.

The actual distance that I will need to lift as you say, will depend on the floor joist construction. No matter what the lift height turns out to be, if we're even close, I can make it work when I build the moveable platform. As I mentioned earlier, this will get infrequent use so I doubt I'd want something too elaborate. Once all the machinery is installed it would only get rare occasional use.

Thomas

Thomas, in regards to your equipment lift idea, check with a farm equipment dealer for a silo unloader winch. They are designed for the weight you are talking about, will stay in place and can be hand cranked or a good 1/2 inch drill can be used to power them. a picture attached for reference. Kim images (4).jpg

Kim, that looks to a simple apparatus which is appealing. I don't especially speed moving the load. Even doing it by hand would be workable. Less "stuff" to go wrong that way. Apparently it can handle the weight of the load? It shouldn't be too hard to get it to support a 4' X 5' platform. I'll look into that. We're all about farming around here so finding an equipment dealer that has them would be pretty easy I think. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Thomas,

Will you be able to recondition that many old welding gloves, without thinking back to spending time conditioning your baseball glove? I could not.

Interesting you bring that up Bill. When I smell that conditioner my mind does flash back to my Little League days and Saddle Soap, cleaning and conditioning my baseball glove. You too huh? :)

Thomas
 
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While I'm on-line....
Been looking at this photo trying to figure out what treasure is sitting in the back of the Chevy Pick-up partially hidden under that tarp???
:eyecrazy:

Joe, that's the Johnson's Welding and Repair shop welding truck. It contains an acetylene welding outfit. The tall object is an oxygen tank and to the right of it is the acetylene tank. It's easier to see if you look at the original photograph.

Your comment did make me take a closer look at that photograph and I see a motorcycle inside the tool shed to the left. It has a Vetter Wind Jammer fairing on it and I strongly suspect it was the Honda 750 that I found in one of the smaller sheds...



...seen here at the left, that was located just behind the tool shed. The owner wanted it back so it was saved and returned to him. Not in too bad of shape but the wheels were locked up and we had to use a straps and the backhoe bucket to move it. Kind of a pain to deal with.

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Greetings, my name is Dino, and I have a clocking addiction....but I think I have found an atmosphere of like minded folks. :lol:......


.....You have to love the human interaction of like minded folks......

I have enjoyed this thread and gleaned a great deal of ideas and inspiration for my own garage.

Dino Gutierrez

Hi Dino and welcome to the gang. I think you're right, there are a bunch of likeminded folks here sharing interesting ideas to the betterment of us all I think. Glad you'll be back.

Thomas

Thomas,
Great thread you got here. You really have accomplished a lot it looks like and I admire that. I have been a certified A&P Technician for 12 years......

My old man retired last Summer from a Public Works job in Florida for the City after 33 years. Tough not being able to see him, as I know he misses me terribly since I am all he has.

Matt

There's always room here for another A&P Matt you are most welcome.
Dad's are pretty special don't you think?
I own so much to my Dad and I'm seeing things he taught me showing up in Cameron's way of conducting himself. I know Dad would be awfully proud of him as am I.
Hope you can talk with your Dad often and when you do, say hi for me will you?

Thomas

Wow. What a journey.

It has taken me about a couple of weeks, but I made it through the entire thread and am eagerly awaiting more!

.......It felt so good to see the passion you and your wife have for everything that you do. Every post was a new adventure and brought back so many memories for me. It has motivated me to get more done around here and better value my time.

........ I just wanted to say thank you again for sharing your experiences with all of us here. It almost sounds odd, but it really has meant a lot to me.

PS - I'm actually going to be in your area next week, driving from here to Springfield for business so I hope things warm up by then! :eyecrazy:

Leif I truly hope you can make it by this week, even if it's for a short visit. Sweet Old Bill stopped by awhile ago when he was nearby after driving for more than 8 hours straight and couldn't spend a lot of time but he still made it. Thank you for your kind words, thoughts and interest. Chris and I would enjoy seeing you.

Thomas
 
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I needed to move one of the South Bend lathes and no one was around to lend a hand. Even when they're stripped down they weigh more than a couple hundred pounds easy. Waaayyyyyyyy more than I can carry.
How do I get it from here to there? Think Portable Dirty Room. ;)



I positioned the PDR by the lathe in question and since the bench heights were very close to the same...



...I just lift one end at a time and walked the lathe over to the PDR.



Then I just rolled it over to where I needed it. That was the payoff for putting such fine quality Blickle casters on the PDR. I knew they could handle the load and rolling it by myself was easy peasy. Combined weight was more than 1,000 lbs.(454 kg)



Once it was next to where I needed it, I could lift one end of the lathe at a time and put it in position.



After the basic lathe was in position, the rest was easy. I never envisioned using the PDR for such a task when I created it but as it turns out....

.....it works good and lasts a long time.

Thomas
 

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Your comment did make me take a closer look at that photograph and I see a motorcycle inside the tool shed to the left. It has a Vetter Wind Jammer fairing on it and I strongly suspect it was the Honda 750 that I found in one of the smaller sheds...
Thomas

It is as you suspect. :)
 

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I needed to move one of the South Bend lathes and no one was around to lend a hand. Even when they're stripped down they weigh more than a couple hundred pounds easy. Waaayyyyyyyy more than I can carry.
How do I get it from here to there? Think Portable Dirty Room. ;)



Thomas
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Sorry to hear that it sounds like you aren't taking those evening strolls with the Anvil anymore..
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Sorry to hear that it sounds like you aren't taking those evening strolls with the Anvil anymore..
:sad:

Joe, I'm trying to show a little compassion for the anvil. It's tough to stroll through 3' drifts!

Jay and Jerry in a 1949 Porsche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KY4jS9ZAGfs

You may ask, "How does this relate to the Center Of The Universe? (C.O.T.U.)"

I might answer, "Easy! Anvil content around 9m22sec!"

You guys come up with the greatest stuff, honest and truly. The whole clip was great but the anvil joke was terrific. Thank you, thank you.

Did I ever mention how much fun this thread has been for me? :D

Smiling Thomas
 
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Here is the start of my latest project out in the shop. Nothing glamorous but still fun. You can see...



... how the shop is configured when I'm fabricating. Having most of the equipment on casters is a big plus since I'm frequently alone working.




I roll the Corvette into the north room to get it out of the way. It rolls easily, no need to start it up. You've seen my use of tempered Masonite to protect the floor.



It prevents damage from objects being dropped on it...



...and also protects against burn marks from welding. In small hard to reach areas I use some flat cardboard to protect the floor from welding splatter. Whenever I use cardboard like this after I'm done welding, I place it flat completely under some Masonite to prevent it from smoldering and catching fire after I leave the shop.



To do the construction I'm going to TIG vrs MIG some shelf brackets which you'll see first and later a couple of wall shelf units. My welder will do both. TIG gives you much more control over the quality of the weld but it's not as handy as MIG. It's also best for thin metal.



I used 14 gauge, 1" (2.5 cm) and 3/4" (1.9 cm) square tubing. Here the bandsaw is rolled away from the wall and is configured to cut 45º angles. That's the tubing in back of the saw on the left. My nice roller support was being used elsewhere and I haven't acquired a second one yet so I used the tried and true method of a garbage can and some wood to support the long stock.



Once all the tubing for the wall brackets was cut to length, the edges of the ends that were going to be welded needed to be be beveled.



You guys in warm climates will get a laugh out of this picture, snow in the background and along the bottom of the overhead door, it was about 29º (-1.6 c) outside. None-the-less I rolled the portable pedestal grinder outside to do all the grinding and keep the shop clean. This only takes a few minutes so it's not a bother for me. It would take longer to clean the shop up if I did the grinding in there. BTW, once it warms up, I'm going to install an outside electrical outlet just below the air meter. I have them outside the barn but there aren't any at the old shop.



After the edges were beveled, holes needed to be drilled...



...before they were welded because I couldn't reach those spots once they were assembled. You'll see later why those 2 holes are in a different spot from the other 3 in the center tubes.



With all the preliminary work done...



I'll begin the assembly work next. To be continued.

Thomas
 

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if ever anything needed a like button this board does for Thomas's projects
always so organized (unlike mine) I like the wheeled pedestal grinder and just wish it was up to 29 again LOL the center of the universe is like a heat wave to us up here in ND
 
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if ever anything needed a like button this board does for Thomas's projects
always so organized (unlike mine) I like the wheeled pedestal grinder and just wish it was up to 29 again LOL the center of the universe is like a heat wave to us up here in ND

You are most kind gordyy, thanks for the support. Actually I was thinking my shop as pictured, was a disheveled mess but that's what I have to do to create work space and protect the floor. I do like to clean up as I work. Notice the shop vac in the second picture. Once an operation is done, like cutting all the tubbing, I vacuum the saw filings off of the saw and floor before I put it away. After drilling, I clean the floor around it before moving on to prevent tracking metal chips all over the shop. It takes just seconds to do it that way and makes for a tidier work environment. It's probably not the most efficient way to work but then I don't do this for a living, just for my own enjoyment.

Now about the portable pedestal grinder. Have you ever done a project that once it's done turns out much better than you thought it might?



It looks a little ungainly...



...but those casters let it roll extremely smoothly and almost effortlessly. Once it's tipped up on the casters, the balance is such that I can move it around with just a couple fingers holding and guiding it. It feels feather light.



Then when it's in position, the 3 rubber feet securely hold it in place. Moving that pedestal in and out of the shop is just so easy to accomplish I don't mind doing so in the slightest. The more I use it the more I feel that project turned out to be a winner! :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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I basically did the same thing with a birthday present from years back ( my kids bought me a pedestal from somewhere) it was too short so I welded it to an old truck brake drum (my boys are both truck mechanics they are readily available to me) lifted it up another foot or so to get it the right height then welded some cheep casters on the back side up a half inch so I do the same tip it back then roll it around. However mine is minus the powder coating or for that matter some paint just a big old rusty chunk of cast iron LOL
 
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For all those still interested in reading Beltsville Shell: You Are What You Drive, I'm meeting with author Cary Thomas in mid March so there's still time for a few more to read "our" copy before I present it to him for his own personalization. He's aware of his "cult" following here and apparently is pleased and enthusiastic about it. Whomever has the book presently, please let us know the status of it. I'd like to have it working it's way back to me by the near end of February. That's a little over 30 days give or take. I hope we can get as many folks as possible to read and sign off on it before then. Thanks again everyone for your assistance in what has turned into a pretty cool concept. And thank you oberst for the initial idea and purchase of the book. :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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I really like both the portable grinding station and your heavy duty table on wheels.
That is next on my list of things to make. I believe I have a vise just like the one on your portable heavy duty table. I want something "substantial" to attach it to.

Now, what about the rest of the fab project you were working on?...
 
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I really like both the portable grinding station and your heavy duty table on wheels.
That is next on my list of things to make. I believe I have a vise just like the one on your portable heavy duty table. I want something "substantial" to attach it to.

Now, what about the rest of the fab project you were working on?...

That would be interesting if you do have one. It's a swiveling machinist's vise and was bought by Dad before WWII, late 1930's.



It's a Samson # 5229 and has a very precise feel to it. It's a 5" as I recall. If you construct a portable heavy table like mine, I assure you it is "substantial".

My current projects are proceeding nicely.



I'll get some more on here shortly.

Thomas
 

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I'm meeting with author Cary Thomas in mid March so there's still time for a few more to read "our" copy before I present it to him for his own personalization. He's aware of his "cult" following here and apparently is pleased and enthusiastic about it......Thanks again everyone for your assistance in what has turned into a pretty cool concept. And thank you oberst for the initial idea and purchase of the book. :thumbup:
Thomas

I think this is the coolest thing that I've been a part of on this site. :thumbup:
 
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To continue with my shop project shelf brackets, these are just like the two other sets of brackets I've made out there previously but this time I'm TIG welding them.



This is a jig that was made from angle that was used to create a 90º corner quickly and repeatably. The jig has plenty of room to clamp to the welding table and to clamp the work. The round steel weight in the back was placed on the angle gusset support...



...until it was tack welded since there was no easy way to clamp it. The angled gusset is made of slightly smaller 3/4" (1.9 cm) tubing material than the 1"(2.5 cm) of the bracket for a better appearance. To space the gusset up the correct height on the 1" tubing I used that piece of stainless under it. I'm channeling Mr Johnson here since that round weight was one of his that was left out in the shop.



I found it and a few others out there when I was first cleaning the shop out in this general area. He used that weight in much the same manner and in this same spot of the shop which was his welding corner also. I've looked but I don't see it in this picture, maybe you can.



End caps were cut using a shear to finish off the ends...



...of the bracket tubes. These were pretty thin metal so they were fuse welded just using heat generated from the TIG torch, didn't need to use any stainless rod. For those care about such things, a 1/16" (1.58 mm), 2% (red tip) tungsten electrode was first used but changed to 3/32" (2.38 mm) and I found that worked much better. As seen, I haven't ground them yet to finish them off.



Once they're done they'll look like these which I think looks better than just an open tube end.



Next up was to turn this pile of tubing into some wall shelf units.



Here some of them are cut to length.



The oil on the tubing needs to be removed before painting. Removing that oil before assembly is much easier since you're just working with straight pieces, no joints. I use lacquer thinner on a shop towel for that.



But I'm going to have these powder coated -surprise!- so Rick will do that as part of his normal process.



Some assembly required.....next time. Thanks agin everyone.

Thomas
 
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Brian R from McKinney, TX, you have a Private Message (PM). Please check your inbox. Thank you.

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Ok wrong table
I was referring to the Reed I saw on the other table
I have a Reed that came out of an old tech school that is probably 50s vintage
 

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Hi rjcsandiego. Do I have to fill in an application to be an Umbrella Girl? (And I bet we can squeeze the McKee in somewhere around the property!)

Chris
 

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Thomas , I have been following this post for well over a year now , and you are a serious inspiration to me and I'm sure thousands that view this site. Because of this site you now have a bigger family than you have ever imagined with mostly the same interests as you .
 
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I really like ........ your heavy duty table on wheels.
That is next on my list of things to make. I believe I have a vise just like the one on your portable heavy duty table. I want something "substantial" to attach it to.
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Ok wrong table
I was referring to the Reed I saw on the other table....

Boosted1 my mistake. When you referred to my "heavy duty table" I assumed you meant the Portable Dirty Room, PDR...



.... because with its 3/4" (1.9 cm) thick top and weighs well over 700 lbs (318 kg) it is well and truly, heavy duty.
That of course, is not to take anything away from...



... the welding table. The top on it is 5/16" (7.9375 mm) thick...



... no question it's heavy duty as well, just not as heavy duty as the PDR. It's all kind of relative isn't it? :dunno:
Anyway if you have a Reed vise you'll agree they're well designed and well made. Best part about them is the main nut pin with the adjusting screw to keep slack out of the main nut. Great feature. After all, that Reed is what Mr Johnson used.
Congratulations on a nice vise. :thumbup:

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Nice job on the restoration. being "raised" in a gas station myself, I understand your quest.

Thomas , I have been following this post for well over a year now , and you are a serious inspiration to me and I'm sure thousands that view this site. Because of this site you now have a bigger family than you have ever imagined with mostly the same interests as you .

This is one of the coolest restoration projects I have ever seen.

Thank you very much gentlemen, I appreciate your interest and kind words.
fireman164, I'm pretty sure my enthusiasm comes through and maybe it is contagious? I'll take that to be a good thing.
The family and friends that now frequent this corner of the internet on this site is simply amazing to Chris and myself. We can't all gather in the shop in person but we can come close by visiting here to share similar fellowship and swap ideas among ourselves.

As I said before.......there's more in store. ;)

Thomas
 
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