The VISES of Garage Journal

[toomanytoyzz]

Wilton Tradesman 6 1/2" vise. Not really old, but was saved from the trash heap. My brother got it from his job, they were going to throw it away because one of the bolts securing the jaw had snapped. He gave it to me. I extracted the broken bolt, got a new set of jaws and a spindle retainer clip. A quick repaint, and was good as new. Pipe jaws were even still there.

Your brother should fear for his future with that company. That's like scrapping a vehicle due to a flat tire.

 

[zkling]

Your brother should fear for his future with that company. That's like scrapping a vehicle due to a flat tire.

If you saw how much easily repairable or even perfectly good working but old stuff large companies trash it would make you sick. Seriously we are a very wasteful society.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

If you saw how much easily repairable or even perfectly good working but old stuff large companies trash it would make you sick. Seriously we are a very wasteful society.

I am a state employee where it's the opposite. Everything is inventoried and it takes an act of God to get it before it gets tossed. Not to say they that spend $$ well. I laugh all the time at the coin they pay for items they purchase in volume I/we can purchase for half the cost. Our tax $$ hard at work.

 

[organ]

Your brother should fear for his future with that company. That's like scrapping a vehicle due to a flat tire.

This is way more common than you'd think. Large companies with lots of income don't think twice about chucking easily repaired items. I'm sure there's something in a handbook somewhere that says a repaired vise jaw could pose a health hazard.

 

[Brad54]

This is way more common than you'd think. Large companies with lots of income don't think twice about chucking easily repaired items. I'm sure there's something in a handbook somewhere that says a repaired vise jaw could pose a health hazard.

How many hours would it take someone to repair the vise? (including disassembling it from the work bench and transporting it to and from the repair area)
What are they paying the guys to repair it? Don't forget their hourly rate, plus their benefits.
Plus materials/expendable to repair it.

Plus whatever the crew ISN'T working on while they're fixing the vise.

Sometimes it is indeed cheaper to throw it away than fix it.

They say Bill Gates would lose money if he stopped to pick up a $100 bill off the sidewalk.

-Brad

 

[Filson]

How many hours would it take someone to repair the vise? (including disassembling it from the work bench and transporting it to and from the repair area)
Plus materials/expendable to repair it.
Sometimes it is indeed cheaper to throw it away than fix it.

-Brad

Yeah that's the kicker. Another big thing is insurance and liability concerns. If a straight-from-the-factory piece of equipment fails and hurts someone, its a lot easier on their lawyers.

For time... I've put around 40 hours into a vise before, but that was on the extreme.

 

[bluebolt]

XS650shawn "you ****" LOL. Nice score on that vise! And I like the stand too.

 

[lpoolck]

Anyone know the best way to disassemble a record 112 for painting and refebishment? Not took one apart with a clutch and don't want to jump into it in case there is something I should be aware of. Cheers.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Went to eat lunch and ended up getting a Craftsman 5194 vise. I was kidding when I offered $40.00 and I'll throw in a pizza. He took the deal
You know your hooked when you will buy a vise instead of eating.

 

[drivesitfar]

A vise buy every day keeps you mentally fit. Since you scored a vise on a pallet yesterday it is nice you can keep focused. eating is over rated.

Nice job on the big Parker and I am guessing 7 inch jaws and maybe 250 pounds? Nice looking vise under that crappy paint job.

I picked up an old Wilton bullet with an April 1946 date on slide today in decent shape. When did wilton first make these? I think they started making Wilton vises in 1941? Did they produce bullet vises then too?

 

[organ]

There's a nice 4" Wilton in the Atlanta area but the guy wants $395 for it

 

[ChadTexas]

Here is mine, nothing special but it works.

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[GETRIDAONE]

drivesitfar, That Wilton is an old one with a 46 date stamp. Remember it was made 5 years before that date. Does it say patent pending on the side ?
The Parker is only a 6" @ 160 lbs.

organ, That guy has had that Wilton on there for 6 or 7 months off and on.

 

[BFBOB]

Quick question on vise value for u gurus: Is a Wilton Shop King 3" worth more than a 3 1/2" because of its relative scarcity or less because of its smaller size? (for equivalent condition, of course)

 

[EOC_Jason]

Quick question on vise value for u gurus: Is a Wilton Shop King 3" worth more than a 3 1/2" because of its relative scarcity or less because of its smaller size? (for equivalent condition, of course)

Depends if you are a collector or not. The shop kings are neat vises, but I've never saw them draw that much money.

Usually the "high value" little vises start at 2" and smaller.

Condition is everything, and also if they have their little pipe-jaws and that little wedge for the hardy hole.

Equivalent condition, maybe worth a *little* more, because like you said you don't see them as often.

 

[organ]

drivesitfar, That Wilton is an old one with a 46 date stamp. Remember it was made 5 years before that date. Does it say patent pending on the side ?
The Parker is only a 6" @ 160 lbs.

organ, That guy has had that Wilton on there for 6 or 7 months off and on.

Are you in the area? Now that I know you're looking I'm gonna check twice as often.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Quick question on vise value for u gurus: Is a Wilton Shop King 3" worth more than a 3 1/2" because of its relative scarcity or less because of its smaller size? (for equivalent condition, of course)

For reference I paid $30 + $12 shipping on a 3 1/2" that is in great condition. The paint is worn some but it has the pipe jaws & hardy bit. I thought it was an OK deal when I was looking.

organ, I am 30 miles north of Atlanta but work is at 85 North & 285

 

[BFBOB]

Thanks, EOC_Jason. You must be right about the mini 3" Shop King because you agree with my inclination.


But, there was one four incher that recently sold for $305 on fleaBay

It was beautifully restored with a snazzy two-tone paint job by our very own Balane, but still!!

 

[oldldh]

There will be a class for "Restored Vise" at Pebble Beach nest summer...

His big dollar sale is probably going to be an entrant...

 

[Craptain]

Anyone know the best way to disassemble a record 112 for painting and referbishment? Not took one apart with a clutch and don't want to jump into it in case there is something I should be aware of. Cheers.

I don't think there is anything to worry about. The tension in the spring comes from the rotation of the lever and you won't be rotating it. So just take photos of each step as you progress and post on here in a new thread. Most here have not seen this type of vise and would find it interesting. I have not seen one since I left UK 30 something years ago.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Was clicking on random old pages of this thread and came across this piece of gold... A late model Reed 108S....

Full post with other pics HERE

If I ever go on a road trip, it's going to be to Virginia... All I need is a compass and I'm sure I can find bl00's house with all that iron there!

 

[va.grouseman]

I see that Yost has come out with a Ridgid look-a-like. Looks nice.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yost-FSV-6-...393638770?pt=Clamps_Vises&hash=item3f30524972

 

[Filson]

Was clicking on random old pages of this thread and came across this piece of gold... A late model Reed 108S....

Full post with other pics HERE

If I ever go on a road trip, it's going to be to Virginia... All I need is a compass and I'm sure I can find bl00's house with all that iron there!

That's a 208, no?

 

[jakemac]

Essentially yes. But Reed changed their catalog system and that is now a 108-S. The raised rectangle after the number is for stamping "S" for swivel or "R" for ridged.

 

[Filson]

Essentially yes. But Reed changed their catalog system and that is now a 108-S. The raised rectangle after the number is for stamping "S" for swivel or "R" for ridged.

Awesome, didnt know that! Still a student

 

[bl00]

If I ever go on a road trip, it's going to be to Virginia... All I need is a compass and I'm sure I can find bl00's house with all that iron there!

You'll never find me that way. I can use a compass in my own garage and it will still point south to va.grousemans house. My garage floor is even starting to slope that way.

I'm ashamed to say that I still haven't mounted the Reed to anything. Someday I'll make up a mobile stand for it, but for now all tasks that require a massive piece of finger crunching iron are handled by this Prentiss 58 [note-old pic - it's been mounted properly since].

 

[va.grouseman]

b100, It's pretty obvious why your garage is starting to tilt. Even bedrock can only stand but so mush pressure.---The Reed and Prentiss, beauties. Let me know when you're through loving them.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

You notice the engine lift in the background, He has to use that to move the vises around !!

 

[wrenchguy]

There will be a class for "Restored Vise" at Pebble Beach nest summer...

His big dollar sale is probably going to be an entrant...

Is there a class 4 customized cast iron?

 

[EOC_Jason]

Essentially yes. But Reed changed their catalog system and that is now a 108-S. The raised rectangle after the number is for stamping "S" for swivel or "R" for ridged.

The catalogs I've seen and from my own personal Reeds, they used "S" for the swivel and "N" for statioNary....

The "R" models were the new casting style but with the old round nose. I think it just meant "Revised". Once they went to the flat nose design they got rid of the "R".

Bl00 - I totally forgot about that Prentiss 58... UGH you ****! See, that is even more of a reason that you want to sell me your 108... I'll even drive all the way there to pick it up! It's just in your way, you want to get rid of it!!!!

 

[jakemac]

Ahhh, thanks Jason, I knew it was something like that.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Is there a class 4 customized cast iron?

I've been trying to figure out what that vise in your avatar was, it's that 8" Columbian !!! I didn't realize it until you posted the pic with that huge base!

 

[drivesitfar]

You'll never find me that way. I can use a compass in my own garage and it will still point south to va.grousemans house. My garage floor is even starting to slope that way.

I'm ashamed to say that I still haven't mounted the Reed to anything. Someday I'll make up a mobile stand for it, but for now all tasks that require a massive piece of finger crunching iron are handled by this Prentiss 58 [note-old pic - it's been mounted properly since].

B100: it looks like you snagged one of those RR vise stands from the Sante Fe picture posted on here a few weeks or so ago. is that heavier than your Prentiss 58 and any weight stats on the 58 to pass on since it isn't on Dayid's list?

Jason: I think that is Wrenchguy's Ridgid vise in his Avitar that is on that huge stand.

 

[wrenchguy]

I've been trying to figure out what that vise in your avatar was, it's that 8" Columbian !!! I didn't realize it until you posted the pic with that huge base!

Its my wobat ridgid "outdoor patio vise" when the weather gets above 50*.
I still got some small stuff to do to it yet, looking 4 a hand engraveing artist to engrave the skull with flames. AKA Motorcycle engraving.

I thought u saw these when i posted some time back. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227241

 

[EOC_Jason]

Its my wobat ridgid "outdoor patio vise" when the weather gets above 50*.
I still got some small stuff to do to it yet, looking 4 a hand engraveing artist to engrave the skull with flames. AKA Motorcycle engraving.

Ridgid, that's what I meant. No, I missed your other thread, you really went all out re-doing it! Very nice!!! I saw the pics when you started polishing the top but the rest was still blue, never saw the finished product until just now.

You still **** for picking that up for only $200...

 

[bl00]

B100: it looks like you snagged one of those RR vise stands from the Sante Fe picture posted on here a few weeks or so ago. is that heavier than your Prentiss 58 and any weight stats on the 58 to pass on since it isn't on Dayid's list?

This one is more like a table than a stand. There are a couple pics here from when I first got it. It probably weighs a thousand pounds, give or take a hundred. If I recall correctly the Prentiss was in the 260's on the bathroom scale. I think they were advertised at 258, 268, and 275 at different times.

 

[lpoolck]

I don't think there is anything to worry about. The tension in the spring comes from the rotation of the lever and you won't be rotating it. So just take photos of each step as you progress and post on here in a new thread. Most here have not seen this type of vise and would find it interesting. I have not seen one since I left UK 30 something years ago.

Many thanks. I will take your advice and post a thread once I have completed the refebishment.

 

[Toofast28]

I picked up a 3.5" Prentiss for $40 over the weekend. It's been repainted, a few small hammer marks but everything else looks and functions as new. Going to look for a bigger Reed too. Probably a 104

 

[balane]

Somebody here keeps mailing me these little Wiltons for some reason.

This one was done in John Deere Green, it's in nice shape.

.

 

[oldldh]

I'll bet if you quit sending them money...

They'll quit sending you little Wiltons!!!