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The story goes, a local contractor was called to the home by the homeowner who installed the furnace himself. He got a strong odor of gas whenever he turned on the gas ****. The guy who took the picture swears up and down this is a real picture.

When I first looked at the picture, I figured it had to be staged. Even the dumbest of the dumb couldn't be this dumb right? I'm still on the fence, but nothing surprises me anymore. :lol:
 

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I need some help with what I'm looking at. Obviously very shoddy workmanship, but beyond that give me some details.

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Come on, really? Look again. You are making me think this might be real. :D

I guess I would think someone who would attempt a furnace install would have to know better then this.
 

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At least he bought the good pipe dope . . . rather wasteful, though, with the mess . . . let see . . .

Expanding gasses gain heat. Gas pressure is ounces per square inch, isn't it? So if you run natural gas through an evaporator, you can indeed achieve heat gain across the coil . . .
 

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What I'm waiting to see is someone install a gas boiler upside down, removing and flipping around the gas tubes so they correctly gravity seat . . . and using the exposed underside as a griddle.
 

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I haven't seen one of these type heaters, but it seems pretty unlikely the gas supply would be located where he has it hooked up, right next to the exhaust plenum (or condensate drain?).

Lower left looks like a gas valve to me. . . meaning the supply hookup can't be far away.

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What I'm waiting to see is someone install a gas boiler upside down, removing and flipping around the gas tubes so they correctly gravity seat . . . and using the exposed underside as a griddle.

You reminded me of this one I ran across. The homeowner installed his own boiler:
 

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It probably is a real install. Lots of times, homeowners take on projects they have no business doing. If the guy really wanted to save the dough, he should have bought the furnace and coil and turned them over to somebody that knew what the hell they were doing. No instructions either, I guess. The job will probably cost just as much now as if he had a let a contractor do it in the first place.
 

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The gas line is not running to the gas valve is number one. I'll let others pick apart the rest. There are numerous issues.
 

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So much amazes me here.........

I like to get upset with folks that think they're God's gift to whatever industry, be it HVAC, electrical, plumbing etc, and like to knock down us lowly "amateurs" because we don't have a shingle hanging over our door so we can't possibly know what we're doing with stuff that seems to intrinsicly simple to me.

But then I see stuff like this where not only did one person totally and obviously(to me)f&*k it up, but then many others can't see what's wrong.

I'm sorry, but I stand by my observation that 98% of the population is dumber than average.

I also apologize to those that I get pissy with when they think I don't have a clue. It's obvious to me that they can rightfully assume that with the majority of people.
 
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Yeah thats good,ive seen stupider stuff though!:lol:
I got a call from a guywho tried installing his own humidifier years ago,he did ok on the sheetmetal side but installed the piercing valve on the suction line coming off the A-coil since it was close!:eyecrazy:
He couldnt figure out why he was having a hard time breathing in the basement,i told him to open all the windows upstairs and get the hell out.;)
Another time i got called out to a packing plant we used to do a lot of electrical contracting for.
They had an emty piece of conduit coming up through the freezer floor up stairs that was in the way so apparently their maintenance guys cut it off flush with the floor.
Later that night the clean up guys were in the freezer squeegying water and thought it was a floor drain.
When i got there i found a 200a 3 phase panel in the back of the maintenance shop with the door and dead front completely blown off held on by one stretched out bent to hell screw.
The buss bars and everything inside were pretty much beyond recognition,but somehow it was still live!:eyecrazy:
The piece of pipe they thought was a floor drain was running right into the top of this panel,oh the stuff ive seen over the years!:eyecrazy::lol:
 

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So much amazes me here.........

I like to get upset with folks that think they're God's gift to whatever industry, be it HVAC, electrical, plumbing etc, and like to knock down us lowly "amateurs" because we don't have a shingle hanging over our door so we can't possibly know what we're doing with stuff that seems to intrinsicly simple to me.

But then I see stuff like this where not only did one person totally and obviously(to me)f&*k it up, but then many others can't see what's wrong.

I'm sorry, but I stand by my observation that 98% of the population is dumber than average.

I also apologize to those that I get pissy with when they think I don't have a clue. It's obvious to me that they can rightfully assume that with the majority of people.

I guess we're not as smart as you....
 

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Holy ****!
I guess I installed My Goodman wrong.
So, Lets see, I should have routed the gas through the evaporator drip pan and left the gas valve to run on 14.7 pounds of a mix of 70% nitrogen and 30% oxygen and nitrogen?
I suppose I might as well jumper the induced draft blower and hit the gas valve with 220v to finish the job....
That is scary.:willy_nil
 
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I got a call from a guywho tried installing his own humidifier years ago,he did ok on the sheetmetal side but installed the piercing valve on the suction line coming off the A-coil since it was close!

You just reminded me of this one I ran across a few years ago. The homeowner was a real DIY guy. Did everything himself.

It might be hard to tell in the pic, there's a few things going on. He finished the basement himself. He notched about twenty 2 x 6's to allow the refrigerant piping for the air conditioning system to be pushed up to gain an extra 2" of ceiling height. :eyecrazy:

He then installed a saddle valve on the pipe to feed water (R-22) to his refrigerator ice maker. Realizing his mistake, he closed the valve and sheet rocked the ceiling. It held for 2 years before the saddle valve failed dumping 14lb's of R-22 into his home. He was not happy with the repair bill. :lol:
 

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You reminded me of this one I ran across. The homeowner installed his own boiler:

I saw one just like this last wk , home owner wondered why he couldn't get the air out as e just installed a new circ and then he was also wondering why the boiler return was hotter than the supply , I looked and sure enough he had the pump pumping from the bottom of the boiler and cold returning to the supply and it was banging like crazy.
I told him what was wrong and he called me a lier , said I didn't know what I was talking about.
 

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What did he plumb the gas line into?

thats the over flow opening on the condensate pan.

he sure used enough of the "green stuff"...........I'd like to see his hands and pants after he got done, probably covered.......

not sure i believe it wasn't staged, seems pretty far fetched but you never know these days
 

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The story goes, a local contractor was called to the home by the homeowner who installed the furnace himself. He got a strong odor of gas whenever he turned on the gas ****. The guy who took the picture swears up and down this is a real picture.

When I first looked at the picture, I figured it had to be staged. Even the dumbest of the dumb couldn't be this dumb right? I'm still on the fence, but nothing surprises me anymore. :lol:

Like you it's hard to believe but who knows there are some really dumb one's out there.
But I did see a goodman 95% upflow furnace install as a counter flow one time , customer called me when the contractor wouldn't come back.
 
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Like you it's hard to believe but who knows there are some really dumb one's out there.
But I did see a goodman 95% upflow furnace install as a counter flow one time , customer called me when the contractor wouldn't come back.

Funny, there was an upflow furnace here installed in an downflow system a few years ago by a "contractor". When he realized his mistake (hot air was coming out of the central return), he tried to "fix" it. Instead of getting a counterflow furnace and installing it he attempted to re-duct it. I wish I had a picture of that abortion. It was unreal. :lol:
 

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'Ere ya go. A "Philly Fix" I found one day. Home Depot's "registered" plumber installed the boiler and it never worked right. We were called in to replace it. The homeowner was suing HD [yea, good luck with that!].
 

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Is that brown rubber hose going into the copper without so much as a hose clamp or am I blind. Abundance of charring doesn't appear he maintaned the required safe work zone.
 

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I have people giving me **** all the time why a homeowner can't go into the wholesaler and buy a furnace, an A/C system or HVAC parts.

Here, no parts supplier will sell to a homeowner or handyman W/o proper licenses and even then once in awhile its a s""t show.
 

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The story goes, a local contractor was called to the home by the homeowner who installed the furnace himself. He got a strong odor of gas whenever he turned on the gas ****. The guy who took the picture swears up and down this is a real picture.

When I first looked at the picture, I figured it had to be staged. Even the dumbest of the dumb couldn't be this dumb right? I'm still on the fence, but nothing surprises me anymore. :lol:

Given that furnaces now are significantly shorter than many old ones, it is possible that someone out there is "that dumb".

In any event the "installer" didn't even crack open the factory kneepads (instructions).

Many of you would be surprised at the stupid things people do with gas lines and parts that can be purchased at the hardware store because that person won't call a professional.

Attempting to connect the gas to the water connection on a steam clothes dryer is one.

Screwing flexible line flare connections directly to NPT without the adapter is another. The threads on some are close and it kinda works.

Honestly, I am surprised that more people don't blow up their homes.

Won't even get into the creative "solutions" people come up with for undersink plumbing. Surprised more people don't go to the hospital from the stuff growing there.

Oh, and the stories about wiring. Surprised that more homes don't burn down.

People calling me at work to get the number for the same store in another town. 411? Internet? Upset because I don't have the number memorized?

I'll change it to yes, people can be real stupid, or too proud to call a professional. It can be a *very* fine line.
 

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I fault the big box stores with their "Anyone can do it" advertising.
And people who are dumber than rocks, and don't want to even buy a book on the subject.

Some of the trades are complex, especially with the additional code rules that arrive each year.

I couldn't tell you what's what in the OP's photo. And I've been a designer.

That said, an intelligent person can read and learn the terminology, see how things are done, acquire the tools, and do a workmanlike job.

But unless he has an experienced mentor, he won't know the tips, tricks and shortcuts of the trade.

The single most important trait he needs, is to know the limits of his knowledge. But most people don't know what they don't know.

So, as in most things, a little knowledge is usually, but not always, a dangerous thing.

I wouldn't hesitate to tackle any residential construction task, most of them by myself. But some, like installing a furnace or AC, would require the assistance of a qualified guy, because I just don't have the requisite level of knowledge, tools or experience.

You see it right here on GJ. A guy who doesn't even know the terminology, or understand how a thing works. Or even worse, a guy who has the terms down, but then insists on doing things his way, even when it is pointed out that it isn't the right way.
And what drives me crazy, is when one of these guys starts giving advice in a thread, confusing the OP. It's hard enough, when you ask a question on here, because you just don't know, and you get a mix of contradictory advice, and have no way to sort it out.
I am very in favor of people asking questions though. How else will they learn.

Bill
 
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I have people giving me **** all the time why a homeowner can't go into the wholesaler and buy a furnace, an A/C system or HVAC parts.

Here, no parts supplier will sell to a homeowner or handyman W/o proper licenses and even then once in awhile its a s""t show.

I can get anything I want w/o a license in that field. If I am there. I know what I am talking about. Usually to do something that a person with a license has screwed up.


I don't blame HD for arming dangerous people. I blame TV and all those remodeling shows. Too many brush over the structural parts and show people smashing good cabinets, installing tile and watching the crew install granite. The things that excite those that have no clue.
Show after show ,there is never extra money for fixing structure but always can find money for granite
 

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This was absolutely real, and the 2nd H2O heater next to it was done the same way. HO wondered why that basement room was so hot. :rolleyes:

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I got a call from a guywho tried installing his own humidifier years ago,he did ok on the sheetmetal side but installed the piercing valve on the suction line coming off the A-coil since it was close!:eyecrazy:
When my son had his furnace installed, they actually had a licensed plumber cut a cold water line, solder in a tee and reducer to a 1/8" shut off. He said it was now code.
 

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I saw a hot water line tied into a hydronic system once. The idiot reasoned sense it was hot it had to be for his domestic hot water.
 
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