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ugotd8

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Hi all, wonder if I could ask some advice. I was gifted this BP vise, was thinking of replacing the Cman bolted to the bench. Is it any good ? Are both junk ? The Cman has a 4.5" jaw, the BP has a 4" jaw but is way beefier. Any advice would be appreciated.

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P.S. I searched thru this thread for "BP" and found zilch, probably a bad sign. :)
 
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they both will work for light duty and the Craftsman would be my choice if only those 2 to choose from. it might be US made, but not sure about that.

by the way I started a Vise Stand thread a few days ago that some of you have posted pictures on. i'm looking for useful and creative ways to use more than a couple vises in a small shop so any posts would be great. also if you are just proud of your stand or your bench mounted one post that too and vises included is always a nice thing.

I have seen several ideas where some of you have your vises on a plate that has a trailer hitch type attachment so you can remove or just change vises and was hoping to see a few without having to go through the vise thread again.
 
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Somebody need to lock you up, BigCaddy, because you just committed robbery! Seriously, that is a deal we all dream of getting. Are all the pieces there? Wow! You ****!!!!

I know they had some arms and other accessories with them but I don't know how much came with them. Mine has one arm with a lever so I guess I have some of the pieces that go with it
 

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Does anyone have or know the location of a catalog scan for Rock Island vises? I'm trying to figure out their part numbering scheme. :headscrat
 

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"Arrest Me Red" is a much better color choice, than "I Had An Old Can Of Blue"!!!:sad::sad::sad:

The 519X series Craftsman vises "look" better than almost any other machinist's vise....:thumbup::thumbup:

Now, where is, the ever elusive, 5198 hiding???:drool::drool::drool:

I on the other hand love the blue!
 

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My Athol 615, I blasted it Saturday and I don't see any damaged areas. The paint sure fills the metal blemishes. Any idea of the year on a 615?
 

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Mark in Indiana

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^ Your Athol 615 has a lot of the characteristics that an Athol 324 1/2 has that I used to own. The best guesstimate that I could come up was that it was made before 1906. Since Starrett bought out Athol in 1905.
 

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I picked up another Paramo No 5
These are my three vices:

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If they are restored, then I'll show you new pictures...
 

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Jan: it looks like you are feeding your vises well and they are growing up nicely. are those aluminum jaw covers on the one vise and how do you like them and is that size work ok?

also looks like you made a nice little anvil out of some old RR track. did you make and paint it or buy it that way??
 

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The paramo No2 is fine for the work I normally do.
But those big no5 I could not pass for 35 euros (48 dollars).

The aluminum jaw covers are made ​​of a residual piece of angles with square corners .
This kind I had in my previous vise and works very well for clamping screw thread.


The anvil is also homemade and painted in the color of the middle vise.
 
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Hi guys,

I just finished this prototype swivel lock. I think it turned out half decent. The final product would only differ slightly.

I'll probably offer these for sale if there's adequate interest. Obviously the buyer would have to specify the thread of the stud.

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Had to post links. Pics are huge and I'm posting from my phone which ***** to edit stuff.
 
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Hi guys,

I just finished this prototype swivel lock. I think it turned out half decent. The final product would only differ slightly.

I'll probably offer these for sale if there's adequate interest. Obviously the buyer would have to specify the thread of the stud.

Had to post links. Pics are huge and I'm posting from my phone which ***** to edit stuff.




That looks great! I might have to think about replacing some of mine just because of the "cool" factor! :)
 

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Here is my craftsman. don't know anything about it other than its been mounted to my table for a while. Is it American? next is my Chinese POS olimpian that never works right. Last is this 70+ year old gem I found in the trash recently.

eyeball---That Emmert, that you found in the trash, is going to cause a lot of folks on the vise thread to increase their medication...:lol_hitti

I like it, and I think it's begging for a "proper restoration"!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Arrest Me Red!!!:rocker::rocker::rocker:

Yep, you ****, and I think I hate a a little as well! Great find! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

:beer:
 

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^ Your Athol 615 has a lot of the characteristics that an Athol 324 1/2 has that I used to own. The best guesstimate that I could come up was that it was made before 1906. Since Starrett bought out Athol in 1905.

Mark, I think the 324 1/2 has pipe jaws no? Also and I'm usually off, but after Starrett bought Athol in around 1905 they kept the Athol name until they redesigned it with replaceable jaws or maybe a little earlier which could have been post WWII.
 

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I did a bit of research on my Emmert vise and it looks like its a model T3.2 The new and improved K1 series didn't start production until 1919 so it's still pretty old but I've yet to find a serial number and get a more exact year
 

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Autopts, you are right...

I've got that one's "big brother", a 925, sitting out in the garage, waiting for me to get off my dead ****, and restore it...:evil::evil::evil:

It's going to get started in the next two weeks...

"Arrest-Me-Red" is in the lead, but Hammered Bronze is still a possibility...:dunno::dunno::dunno:

All will be revealed...:D:D:D
 

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Oldie: is that a grease fitting on that Athol vise? by the way nice little collection sitting on your floor and I think I saw a Craftsman 5198 back in there somewhere.

cheers and hope you are feeling better now
 

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:lol::lol::lol:That photo was provided by Maclin, and the iron in the background is the World Famous "Colorado Vise Hoard"....

Yep, it comes with a grease fitting....amazing....:rocker::rocker:

I really have to get started on that beastie...:sad::sad::sad:

Thanks, the Shingles are leaving...my Dr. said, "About the end of March---"....

I can't wait...
 
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Mark in Indiana

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Mark, I think the 324 1/2 has pipe jaws no? Also and I'm usually off, but after Starrett bought Athol in around 1905 they kept the Athol name until they redesigned it with replaceable jaws or maybe a little earlier which could have been post WWII.

That's interesting. It did have the replaceable pipe jaws and the normal interlocking swivel base. Having a ball end on the spindle made me guess that it was pre WW2.
Thanks.
 

Nursepeter1973

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Hey there... not sure if you've seen Australias best vices... This is 150mm (6") Dawn which I picked up from Gumtree for $70 (which is Australias version of Craigslist). Dawn are still in operation and make a variety of vices & tools/clamps

She moves pretty sweetly and I need to replace a shim between the handle and the body

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Some rust evident on the base..
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Joe: not sure who made that vise, but I would have bought it for $80 and then posted it if it was me. very cool vise. any idea on the weight or width of the jaws?

NP: we love Dawn vises here and especially their offset jaw version. nice find on the one you have and i'm just thinking you might need a bigger vise for that bench and old vise/grinder stand you made your chair out of.

Oldie: did all those Athol vises have that grease fitting or was that an prior owner's upgrade. pretty neat idea

CoPilot: import as in Europe because looks early 1900's??
 
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Autopts, you are right...

I've got that one's "big brother", a 925, sitting out in the garage, waiting for me to get off my dead ****, and restore it...:evil::evil::evil:

It's going to get started in the next two weeks...

"Arrest-Me-Red" is in the lead, but Hammered Bronze is still a possibility...:dunno::dunno::dunno:

All will be revealed...:D:D:D

oldldh? Where's your chain?
 

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Sorry guys...had to post this:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...XxHcqwNoig&sig2=DFtsGFm4ajIN3Wfmyiidlw&bvm=bv

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Giant Vise Weighs 372 Lbs.
Brian Johnson’s steel vise is big enough for anything he can throw at it. Its jaws open 14 1/2 in., and the length of the wide-open vise is nearly 4 ft. The face of each jaw is 10 in. by 2 1/2 in.
“Making the vise was a combination of a good challenge and a display of my welding abilities,” admits Johnson. “Besides, it’s fun to have something different from what others have.”
The starting point for his vise was plans published by the James F. Lincoln Arc Welding Foundation (www.jflf.org). Gordon Hennen, the author, described it as a rugged steel vise that “will not break or distort”. Johnson says the sliding tube design has lived up to Hennen’s promise.
“If I put something in the vise, it doesn’t come out, and it doesn’t turn,” he says. “It’s not like the imported vises available today.”
Johnson modied his vise to make it bigger and stronger than Hennen’s original. His moving jaw mounts on 1/2-in. thick, rectangular steel tubing. Johnson’s crank is 1 3/8 in. in dia. with four threads to the inch (Acme).
The Hennen vise crank attached to the bottom of the fixed jaw. Johnson explains that that would allow flex and forward movement and possible binding. Johnson used a straight through draw bolt design that allows the most mechanical advantage possible and prevents binding.
“I salvaged chrome plated hydraulic shafting for handles, handle knob and also for the draw bolt screw,” says Johnson. “It’s high tensile and machines well.”
Another bit of luck went into the vise’s massive hammer block that sits behind the fixed jaw. Johnson found it at a local scrap yard. The piece is 2 1/2 in. thick and 4 in. wide at its narrowest end and a bit wider at the opposite end.
“All I had to do was bevel it a bit and weld it in place,” he says.
Johnson says the vise comes in handy when he makes forges. He designed a brake that fits in the vise for bending both treated and diamond 10-ga. steel plate.
Contact: FARM SHOW Followup, Brian
Johnson, 16777 County Rd. 75 N.W., Clearwater,
Minn. 55320 (ph 320 558-6898).
 

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Sorry guys...had to post this:Giant Vise Weighs 372 Lbs.
Brian Johnson’s steel vise is big enough for anything he can throw at it. Its jaws open 14 1/2 in., and the length of the wide-open vise is nearly 4 ft. The face of each jaw is 10 in. by 2 1/2 in.
“Making the vise was a combination of a good challenge and a display of my welding abilities,” admits Johnson. “Besides, it’s fun to have something different from what others have.”
The starting point for his vise was plans published by the James F. Lincoln Arc Welding Foundation (www.jflf.org). Gordon Hennen, the author, described it as a rugged steel vise that “will not break or distort”. Johnson says the sliding tube design has lived up to Hennen’s promise.
“If I put something in the vise, it doesn’t come out, and it doesn’t turn,” he says. “It’s not like the imported vises available today.”
Johnson modied his vise to make it bigger and stronger than Hennen’s original. His moving jaw mounts on 1/2-in. thick, rectangular steel tubing. Johnson’s crank is 1 3/8 in. in dia. with four threads to the inch (Acme).
The Hennen vise crank attached to the bottom of the fixed jaw. Johnson explains that that would allow flex and forward movement and possible binding. Johnson used a straight through draw bolt design that allows the most mechanical advantage possible and prevents binding.
“I salvaged chrome plated hydraulic shafting for handles, handle knob and also for the draw bolt screw,” says Johnson. “It’s high tensile and machines well.”
Another bit of luck went into the vise’s massive hammer block that sits behind the fixed jaw. Johnson found it at a local scrap yard. The piece is 2 1/2 in. thick and 4 in. wide at its narrowest end and a bit wider at the opposite end.
“All I had to do was bevel it a bit and weld it in place,” he says.
Johnson says the vise comes in handy when he makes forges. He designed a brake that fits in the vise for bending both treated and diamond 10-ga. steel plate.
Contact: FARM SHOW Followup, Brian
Johnson, 16777 County Rd. 75 N.W., Clearwater,
Minn. 55320 (ph 320 558-6898).

Holy hell, that is a big a$$ vise. I'd like to see the jaws up close. Wonder if it has inserts or not?
 

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I would be interested in how he mounted the Screw nut, maybe on the mounting plate, look how how used two square tubing's inside each other as the slide and the support underneath the dynamic jaw support. The tubing has a e-beam welded seam that would need cleaning. The jaws look like they are solid. A project like this looks fun.
 

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Joe: not sure who made that vise, but I would have bought it for $80 and then posted it if it was me. very cool vise. any idea on the weight or width of the jaws?

NP: we love Dawn vises here and especially their offset jaw version. nice find on the one you have and i'm just thinking you might need a bigger vise for that bench and old vise/grinder stand you made your chair out of.

Oldie: did all those Athol vises have that grease fitting or was that an prior owner's upgrade. pretty neat idea

CoPilot: import as in Europe because looks early 1900's??

Drivesitfar, I would have picked it up but I've been fooled before with vises and I really am trying to learn and spending $$ foolishly is a tough lesson. I post odd vises on here from time to time and if they go, they go, but I learn every time. CoPilot, I don't think it's import, no paint left and the way it attaches, well I don't know any other modern vises that attaches like that. The ad says it has 4" jaws and I emailed the seller to see if there is a pic of the other side and for any other info they may have. If I get anything back I'll let you know. Thanks for the response.
 

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i'd say it's old too just by the way it mounts to your bench which by the way might not be easy if you are planning on using it.

I bet B100 will know not only who made this old vise, but maybe the model # too if he happens to be online today.

I still think it's a good buy for $80 because unique.

LF: "WTF" that is one of the 10 inch vises we were talking about doing a casting of and making some a while back. nice find and thanks for sharing because didn't know that one existed. pretty cool and Mr. Scott is already doing the to scale diagrams or looking them up online to build one for his shop to hold some of his big vises in when he needs to work on them.
 
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Here's a 1946 Chicago built bullet recently finished. It's in very nice shape considering its age. At some point somebody replaced just a single jaw, I don't really know why but the original one is still in decent shape. 3 1/2" jaws, 37 pounds, opens to 5 1/2"

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Here's a 1946 Chicago built bullet recently finished. It's in very nice shape considering its age. At some point somebody replaced just a single jaw, I don't really know why but the original one is still in decent shape. 3 1/2" jaws, 37 pounds, opens to 5 1/2"

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Give ya $20. :lol_hitti:beer:
 
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