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80 piece set for $25 new in box, no obvious branding whatsoever.....what do you think?

I'm betting they're machined out of cheese that couldn't pass a quality inspection.
 

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Never heard of that brand, but yeah if it seems to good to be true, it usually ends bad. If you have ever broken a tap you know what a headache it can be to remove it. If you only need taps or dies seldom, it is better to buy quality when you need it.
 

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I wouldn't purchase them, probably a one or two if that time use type thing. Based on the sellers other items I would assume they import a selection of lower quality tools for resale.
 

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Carbon steel (used a lot Today) has a place in the shop but it will only last about 1/3 as long a good HSS Tap & Die. Now what that means is you will pay out the Wazoo (rear-end) for a top notch quality set or even by the single Tap & Die.

Will the above set get the job done in a pinch yes odds are it will not last for very long (as in heavy shop use).

If I was in your shoes I would keep checking CL or E-bay or a garage sale and pick up a set that way.
 

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Wow, that brings back memories!

When I was about 8 or so, I bought one of those sets with my allowance money. I still have is, more as a reminder of how things began as anything else.

The taps are the most horrible excuse for a "tap-shaped object" I've ever seen.

If I remember, I'll post a few photos tonight.

I recall breaking the handles off the die stock on the very first use. It's made from zinc.
 
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80 piece set for $25 new in box, no obvious branding whatsoever.....what do you think?

I'm betting they're machined out of cheese that couldn't pass a quality inspection.

Yeah, probably.

Never heard of that brand, but yeah if it seems to good to be true, it usually ends bad. If you have ever broken a tap you know what a headache it can be to remove it. If you only need taps or dies seldom, it is better to buy quality when you need it.

I figured it's the same as most rebadged ones.

I wouldn't purchase them, probably a one or two if that time use type thing. Based on the sellers other items I would assume they import a selection of lower quality tools for resale.

Agreed.

Absolute junk, no bout adoubt it.



Wow, that brings back memories!

When I was about 8 or so, I bought one of those sets with my allowance money. I still have is, more as a reminder of how things began as anything else.

The taps are the most horrible excuse for a "tap-shaped object" I've ever seen.

If I remember, I'll post a few photos tonight.

I recall breaking the handles off the die stock on the very first use. It's made from zinc.

Awesome, thanks!
It seems a US set will be $100 plus, I've been looking on feebay. I use them seldom so it's hard to justify, but then again, stuck bolts ****, I can only imagine stuck taps...
 

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Carbon steel (used a lot Today) has a place in the shop but it will only last about 1/3 as long a good HSS Tap & Die. Now what that means is you will pay out the Wazoo (rear-end) for a top notch quality set or even by the single Tap & Die.

Will the above set get the job done in a pinch yes odds are it will not last for very long (as in heavy shop use).

If I was in your shoes I would keep checking CL or E-bay or a garage sale and pick up a set that way.

Woody got it. - Not even worth the effort if it isn't HSS IMO. HSS taps will break too, but not near as quick as just CS. The best sets,money wise that I've seen on ebay are the used (or new) ACE (not Ace hardware) or Blue Point brands. :thumbup:
 
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Woody got it. - Not even worth the effort if it isn't HSS IMO. HSS taps will break too, but not near as quick as just CS. The best sets,money wise that I've seen on ebay are the used (or new) ACE (not Ace hardware) or Blue Point brands. :thumbup:

I've been looking at Craftsman and old US Napa sets NOS but they're pricey...

I don't know about the $100.00 dollar sets but this one is on my local CL:

http://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/4387585871.html

Under $50.00 dollars and you could even get it for a little less money.

Hmmm, I would needs SAE & metric so that = $100. And that's a smaller, well used set.
 

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I've been looking at Craftsman and old US Napa sets NOS but they're pricey...

Some of the old Craftsmen sets, (I'm not sure about Napa) the good ones (Like Blue Point and others) are from the same maker, = ACE. You'll notice that if you decide to hunt them down. I go with the older sets vs the new because the dies are heavier (more material) and some dies sets are completely adjustable. They don't make them like that anymore, at a reasonable price anyway. You can find complete, hardly used older sets at a good price on ebay or amazon.

Or, quite a few folks collect carbide taps one at time as they need them. At times you can get lucky with Machinist type lots for sale and find a slue of carbide taps mixed with other misc cutting tools very cheap.

Anything close to that quality today and new will cost lots! Most of those old sets are better than what you can get today.
 

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If you need to tap a new hole, you will generally know the size before you start your project. Skip the set and buy a tap set (taper, plug, bottoming) in just the size you need.

The cheap carbon steel sets are really for chasing existing threads to clean them up, and they work well for that purpose.

I have a carbon steel set that I use to clean paint and gunk out of holes, and I have quality HSS taps in 1/4-20, 5/16-18, 3/8-16, and other common sizes.

Good taps are expensive. Expect to pay at least $5 each.
 

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Who makes the big master set for snap on? The box says madE FOR snapon and not made by snapon


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I thought at one point Ace (Henry Hanson) made them for snap on. Find some older snap on sets and they are identical to this one. Not sure who makes them today or if Ace is still around..
 

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I thought at one point Ace (Henry Hanson) made them for snap on. Find some older snap on sets and they are identical to this one. Not sure who makes them today or if Ace is still around..


Who makes their current set?


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Try that sucker and see how it works. I got a bud bought a set like that from ebay for some pitiful poor price and it works. Its like the HF uni bit, 2 for under 20 dollars or 45 for a Greenelee, I got them both and couldn't tell which was which.
I remember a earlier set of 20 yrs ago that was cheap in Kmart or at some fleas but its rare to see one that cheap when it can be made fairly good competitive from China.
 

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I thought at one point Ace (Henry Hanson) made them for snap on. Find some older snap on sets and they are identical to this one. Not sure who makes them today or if Ace is still around..

I have that exact set, inherited from my grandfather.

I thank the man for his good taste in tools every time I use them.
 
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I like the idea that a guy can buy cheap and upgrade as needed. My brother bought a set of 101 driver bits, maybe 150 I don't recall, like 8 dollars. It wouldlnt have been worth it to sit on 80 or 100 or 200 worth of bits I never use but for the time or 2 we open the set and pirate a piece it worked great.

Same thing with 89 pc set at 26 $,,, it don't got to work too hard to earn its keep and save the day a time or 2, the downside risk is minimal.
 
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I had somebody rather than some fault ruin a few to0rx bits and maybe I twist one or 2 off in a career. First set was Ace hwd Tiawan for 14$ in a small town in about 90 and used it for 10 yrs until lost and then inherit a 10 pc set of the most junk in a tin and they worked for years along with a couple singles here and there and finally had wife spin in to a Walmart and buy a set which I should have done earlier.
Like others I add the cost of some tools to a job, if I face 8 of something,, or a days work not scared to buy a tap or a drill or a specific driver.
 

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Ace hardware isn't the Ace others and I are referring to. If that's what your getting at. It was pointed out earlier. :thumbup:
 

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For occasional use, cough up $150 and get and Irwin Performance Threading System set or one of the Gearwrench sets. If you used them all the time you'd want an HSS set, but since you aren't' don't worry about it. Buy one of these carbon sets, replace as needed with HSS.

Norseman has some nice carbon sets, but they'll likely run more than the Irwin or GW sets.

I have a $450 117 piece Mac set (TD117COMBOS). I'm betting most of the pieces are Irwin made.
 

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I bought a worse looking set than that at HF for chasing threads--something like a 29 piece set for $12.99. It is cheap ****, but for thread chasing it has worked just fine.

I now have a beautiful Kromedge Craftsman set I finally found on Ebay, but the HF set did fine for several years. ::shrug::
 
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Some of the old Craftsmen sets, (I'm not sure about Napa) the good ones (Like Blue Point and others) are from the same maker, = ACE. You'll notice that if you decide to hunt them down. I go with the older sets vs the new because the dies are heavier (more material) and some dies sets are completely adjustable. They don't make them like that anymore, at a reasonable price anyway. You can find complete, hardly used older sets at a good price on ebay or amazon.

Or, quite a few folks collect carbide taps one at time as they need them. At times you can get lucky with Machinist type lots for sale and find a slue of carbide taps mixed with other misc cutting tools very cheap.

Anything close to that quality today and new will cost lots! Most of those old sets are better than what you can get today.[/QUITE]

I'd love to find a nice lot around here.

If you need to tap a new hole, you will generally know the size before you start your project. Skip the set and buy a tap set (taper, plug, bottoming) in just the size you need.

The cheap carbon steel sets are really for chasing existing threads to clean them up, and they work well for that purpose.

I have a carbon steel set that I use to clean paint and gunk out of holes, and I have quality HSS taps in 1/4-20, 5/16-18, 3/8-16, and other common sizes.

Good taps are expensive. Expect to pay at least $5 each.

That's about all I've ever used them for, chasing holes. My brother just got a nice thread restorer set but I'd like to have the versatility of taps too.

Try that sucker and see how it works. I got a bud bought a set like that from ebay for some pitiful poor price and it works. Its like the HF uni bit, 2 for under 20 dollars or 45 for a Greenelee, I got them both and couldn't tell which was which.
I remember a earlier set of 20 yrs ago that was cheap in Kmart or at some fleas but its rare to see one that cheap when it can be made fairly good competitive from China.

I'm agreeing, for chasing I really like the cases for organization and light duty taps for light applications.

I figured if I ever tapped a fresh hole I'd use lots of tap magic and go slow with them.

I like the idea that a guy can buy cheap and upgrade as needed. My brother bought a set of 101 driver bits, maybe 150 I don't recall, like 8 dollars. It wouldlnt have been worth it to sit on 80 or 100 or 200 worth of bits I never use but for the time or 2 we open the set and pirate a piece it worked great.

Same thing with 89 pc set at 26 $,,, it don't got to work too hard to earn its keep and save the day a time or 2, the downside risk is minimal.

Yeah, it seems anything specialized is either HF or Snap-on. No middle.

I bought a worse looking set than that at HF for chasing threads--something like a 29 piece set for $12.99. It is cheap ****, but for thread chasing it has worked just fine.

I now have a beautiful Kromedge Craftsman set I finally found on Ebay, but the HF set did fine for several years. ::shrug::

Do they really have chrome?
Saw those on fleabay.
 
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I've tapped lots of holes with carbon taps without issue. I used a cheap Tekton set for a good while, then upgraded to the Mac set last month. Use lots of cutting fluid and don't try to tap any hardened steel and you'll be fine.

For hardened steel HSS or better is a must, but how often do you need to tap stuff like that if you aren't a machinist?

If thread chasing is all you're looking to do then get a 40 or 48 piece thread chaser set from Sears and be done with it.
 
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For occasional use, cough up $150 and get and Irwin Performance Threading System set or one of the Gearwrench sets. If you used them all the time you'd want an HSS set, but since you aren't' don't worry about it. Buy one of these carbon sets, replace as needed with HSS.

Norseman has some nice carbon sets, but they'll likely run more than the Irwin or GW sets.

I have a $450 117 piece Mac set (TD117COMBOS). I'm betting most of the pieces are Irwin made.

I've tapped lots of holes with carbon taps without issue. I used a cheap Tekton set for a good while, then upgraded to the Mac set last month. Use lots of cutting fluid and don't try to tap any hardened steel and you'll be fine.

For hardened steel HSS or better is a must, but how often do you need to tap stuff like that if you aren't a machinist?

If thread chasing is all you're looking to do then get a 40 or 48 piece thread chaser set from Sears and be done with it.

I'd like to have the option to be able to tap too.

I can't really justify "coughing up" $150 bones for something I use only occasionally.
 

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This is where an economical set makes for a good starting point. Buy a few others as needed or when "that deal" falls in your lap. Its not worth not having for 25$.
 

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I have a Matco set at work,lifetime warranty made by Irwin.I broke one tap and dulled two so far,replaced under warranty with no questions asked.Cost me about $300.00,Been a good set so far.
 

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I thought at one point Ace (Henry Hanson) made them for snap on. Find some older snap on sets and they are identical to this one. Not sure who makes them today or if Ace is still around..





I bought that Hanson-Ace set you have pictured about 39 years ago, and plan to pick up the metric set to match.... I have been pleased with them..
 

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I've had a cheap set for the past 10 years and I have no complaints. Unbranded from Pep Boys or something, it was $50 at the time. I use them probably twice a year, use tapping fluid (okay, motor oil), and I've never broken one, bolts go in fine (and the dies do fine for some minor thread cleanup).

I wouldn't recommend it if you're building machinery, but for home use if you're not a hobbyist fabricator, why not. Even if you do get a nice set down the road, you'll have a "beater" set to lend out or let your wife use.:lol_hitti


For me, it's not one of the things I would see returns splurging on. Okay, that doesn't justify a lot of tools I own, but I don't mind spending a little for drill/drivers, wrenches, sockets, ratchets, etc. where I'll use 'em just about every weekend.


edit: looks exactly like this set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/w4002db-met..._Automotive_Tools&hash=item20e24f38c5&vxp=mtr
 
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I bought that Hanson-Ace set you have pictured about 39 years ago, and plan to pick up the metric set to match.... I have been pleased with them..

I needed a metric set in a pinch and went to lowes and got a kobalt set. I haven't used it since. My sae gets used enough to warrant a replacement or larger set.

I think somewhere along the line there was a master type set made by Ace
 

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