AndrewH
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I know the feeling. I went from having NONE to having nearly a thousand lbs of vises scattered between my garage and kitchen. (no wife to worry about! Ha!)
The VISES of Garage Journal
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I know the feeling. I went from having NONE to having nearly a thousand lbs of vises scattered between my garage and kitchen. (no wife to worry about! Ha!)
PghJKB
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Hey guys,
Get your dawgs nose to the ground.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vice-Replac...378443633?pt=Clamps_Vises&hash=item4ad3a5e171
This might lead to a big one...
Get your dawgs nose to the ground.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vice-Replac...378443633?pt=Clamps_Vises&hash=item4ad3a5e171
This might lead to a big one...
McBrownie
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Personally, open-screws and backwards vises (moveable "static" jaws) don't do it for me. IMO, save your bench space for some heavy iron.
oldldh
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HMMMM!!!!
9" Vise Jaws!!!!
HMMMM!!!
Could this lead to the "Ever-Elusive" REED 209!!!!
HMMMM!!!
jakemac
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HMMMM!!!!
9" Vise Jaws!!!!
HMMMM!!!
Could this lead to the "Ever-Elusive" REED 209!!!!
HMMMM!!!
Maybe you could build it one piece at a time.
oldldh
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Maybe you could build it one piece at a time.
My son, I do believe you've hit on the perfect plan!!!
wrenchguy
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been on there quite some time i believe.
jjjrmx5
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One of the first outdoor major shows of the season today.
I call it "Hipsters Selling Hammers" as 75% of the crowd or more is toy, sign, furniture or knick-knack buyers. Sellers are usually tool clueless or bat-**** crazy.
Tools are there but far from the focus.
Seller was trying to oversell a big and not-great workbench with a vice attached. I see baby vice. Workbench-nope, don;t need yet another. I build my own. Owner was all about the bench. So.....
I;m owin' some GJ members some lovin'; so I picked it up- a 3" jaw Wards Master taper tail machinists vise.
Underhung pipe jaws. Swivel base.
Great condition. Not a Wilton but was was under $20. And some heft.
I'm guessing 70's to early 2000's (I know--wide time frame) but the swivel base shape is throwing me off.
I call it "Hipsters Selling Hammers" as 75% of the crowd or more is toy, sign, furniture or knick-knack buyers. Sellers are usually tool clueless or bat-**** crazy.
Tools are there but far from the focus.
Seller was trying to oversell a big and not-great workbench with a vice attached. I see baby vice. Workbench-nope, don;t need yet another. I build my own. Owner was all about the bench. So.....
I;m owin' some GJ members some lovin'; so I picked it up- a 3" jaw Wards Master taper tail machinists vise.
Underhung pipe jaws. Swivel base.
Great condition. Not a Wilton but was was under $20. And some heft.
I'm guessing 70's to early 2000's (I know--wide time frame) but the swivel base shape is throwing me off.
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AndrewH
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Worked on cleaning up the Reed 104 1/2 today with a wire wheel, looks a lot better. The rest of the paint and rust will have to wait until I get the blast cabinet in here!
drivesitfar
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JJ: my guess is quite a bit older maybe 50's or 60's because looks like might be a Columbian made one. not a bad buy for $20
Cuda: did you get the $10 Athol? for cheap vises if you are close you'll lose them if you are waiting for pictures just an FYI. unless it had broken mounting feet on the other side or chipped teeth from lack of grease on the screw you can't go too far wrong on that style up to $50 range.
Cuda: did you get the $10 Athol? for cheap vises if you are close you'll lose them if you are waiting for pictures just an FYI. unless it had broken mounting feet on the other side or chipped teeth from lack of grease on the screw you can't go too far wrong on that style up to $50 range.
Hpozzuoli
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Outlawmws
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JJ I agree with DIF, 50's or so. Too much nice styling on that vise to be too new.
bigcaddy
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Maybe you could build it one piece at a time.
Is it odd hat I was listening to that song when I read your post. I couldn't even Imagine what the finished vise would look like
oldldh
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Is it odd hat I was listening to that song when I read your post. I couldn't even Imagine what the finished vise would look like
If it's good enough for Brother Cash----
It's good enough for us!!!
va.grouseman
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If one could cast an exact duplicate of a 209 using the exact blueprints of the original, a clone if you will? How would it stack up as far as value is concerned to a real nice original if one could find one? What say you gentlemen?
drivesitfar
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VA: anybody have a plan or a picture of one? i remember seeing a video of a guy making a 10 inch one out of steel plate so someone must have a way to cast a big old US made Reed 209 in 2014.
what would the cost be and should be a few takers for the first ones. I know it would be a nice addition to my shop and might even need to have a hand made cover made for it.
what would the cost be and should be a few takers for the first ones. I know it would be a nice addition to my shop and might even need to have a hand made cover made for it.
oldldh
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Quick---
Everybody repeat after me---
"I'll remember to take my medication on Sundays, too, from now on!!!"
"I won't forget---again!!!"
A reborn 209---
HMMMM---
Hell, why not scale it up 10%, and we'd have a---
REED 210
(Please read my signature block!!!)
Everybody repeat after me---
"I'll remember to take my medication on Sundays, too, from now on!!!"
"I won't forget---again!!!"
A reborn 209---
HMMMM---
Hell, why not scale it up 10%, and we'd have a---
REED 210
(Please read my signature block!!!)
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Clik
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Here's a little Wilton Shop King I picked up. First pic is after blasting with my home built pot.
The second is it all painted up. It had sort of an Art Deco look that caught my eye, so, I did it up in an Art Deco tri color paint scheme.
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The second is it all painted up. It had sort of an Art Deco look that caught my eye, so, I did it up in an Art Deco tri color paint scheme.
oldldh
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With all those pastel colors----
That's a nice little "South Florida" vise!!!!
Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
That's a nice little "South Florida" vise!!!!
Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
McBrownie
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A reborn 209---
HMMMM---
Hell, why not scale it up 10%, and we'd have a---
REED 210
AKA "Jurassic Vise"
va.grouseman
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My question is-----Would an exact clone be as valuable as an original 209?
wrenchguy
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i'd need this answered first-----how valuable is a original 209?
Make mine in 60ksi ductile iron!
drivesitfar
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I'd probably pay $800 for Filson's 208 if he begged me to buy it (which i know he almost have to be dead to do so) and we've seen several of those. not many but some.
$1000-$2000 for an original 209 or a first run production out of Wrench's garage/shop?
VA might unchain a few to trade for one or just dig up another can in the yard to pay for it?
Filson, Jason and several others could be a candidate? BC for his museum and Getridofone might just get rid of a couple to buy one?
I can't imagine Wrench not wanting one even though he is in vise rehab this month.
i'm sure there are others and feel free to voice your vice for a "HUGE" vise.
$1000-$2000 for an original 209 or a first run production out of Wrench's garage/shop?
VA might unchain a few to trade for one or just dig up another can in the yard to pay for it?
Filson, Jason and several others could be a candidate? BC for his museum and Getridofone might just get rid of a couple to buy one?
I can't imagine Wrench not wanting one even though he is in vise rehab this month.
i'm sure there are others and feel free to voice your vice for a "HUGE" vise.
Clik
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Thanks. I was tellin' Drive that I have a gay cousin who would love it...even though he'd think it was a kitchen appliance. 
Not worth nearly as much to me. Utility value of a modern 209 remake vs a vintage 208 is nearly nonexistent, assuming the 208 is in great condition. The only reason a vintage 209 will command such a premium is for the collectors value. Collectors value is based on a number of factors, rarity chief among them. Hell there are folks who collect old barbed wire and pay up to $250 bucks a foot for specific types. I'm not one of them, but the market is there.
A cloned 209 in 2014 will be worth some bucks, sure, it's a quality 9" vise. But it doesn't hold the history, it hasn't gone through the paces, it hasn't helped build America like the monster iron did before computers and television was around. It's apples to oranges.
I'd pass on the chance to buy a remake, and continue my hunt for the ever elusive vintage 209 that has strained under the hands of skilled worker's sweat and blood for generations to build the world we know today.
A cloned 209 in 2014 will be worth some bucks, sure, it's a quality 9" vise. But it doesn't hold the history, it hasn't gone through the paces, it hasn't helped build America like the monster iron did before computers and television was around. It's apples to oranges.
I'd pass on the chance to buy a remake, and continue my hunt for the ever elusive vintage 209 that has strained under the hands of skilled worker's sweat and blood for generations to build the world we know today.
Speaking of Reed 208's, not sure if this has been posted yet or not (I'm assuming it has, but didn't see it in a search)
Reed 208 on Craigslist in St Louis.
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/4397603526.html
Reed 208 on Craigslist in St Louis.
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/tls/4397603526.html
oldldh
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I'd assume the value of a cloned Reed 209 would be similar to the aluminum Cobra replicas made by Kirkham Motorsports...By the way, these relicas are made in an old MIG factory in Poland...aluminum bending for aircraft is very similar to automobile bodies, apparently...
Shelby "reportedly" used these for his "New" batch of 4000 series Cobras...
Almost exact replicas are "real", but they are not "original" or "genuine"...
Kirkhams change hands in the low six figure range, while original Cobras are almost all seven figure cars...
Ergo, a remanufactured-replica-cloned 209 wouldn't be worth what an original 75 year old one would be...
There may even be a market for a new vise that size, but with almost all the major manufacturing having been moved out of the country, it would be a thin market, at best...
However, a "new" Reed 209 or 210 would be an interesting way to guarantee your workbench remaining where you left it, instead of sliding over to the other side of your shop, as they are want to do...
Shelby "reportedly" used these for his "New" batch of 4000 series Cobras...
Almost exact replicas are "real", but they are not "original" or "genuine"...
Kirkhams change hands in the low six figure range, while original Cobras are almost all seven figure cars...
Ergo, a remanufactured-replica-cloned 209 wouldn't be worth what an original 75 year old one would be...
There may even be a market for a new vise that size, but with almost all the major manufacturing having been moved out of the country, it would be a thin market, at best...
However, a "new" Reed 209 or 210 would be an interesting way to guarantee your workbench remaining where you left it, instead of sliding over to the other side of your shop, as they are want to do...
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va.grouseman
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Wrench-----It's hard to put a value on one, seeing that no one seemingly has one or has seen one. If a nice one popped up on E-bay, there's no telling what a bidding war would run to. But if an exact remake were to pop on E-bay, I'll bet the bidding would be fierce also. Who wouldn't throw in a bid on a 327 lb.----9 inch vise. When at the same time Some retailers are charging $4000.00+ for 800S Wiltons----238 lbs.
rbannon-----6ksi ductile might exclude one from being an exact duplicate, as I have no idea what type iron they were first cast from. But once this idea starts ***********, (And I'm predicting it will start in Wrench's garage like Microsoft), we'll have Wrench run you one off in 6ksi ductile.-----5 years from now, Wrenches garage will be 1 million square feet, and him and 300 other guys will be casting 209s as fast the government is printing money.
Filson-----I agree on the vintage factor. That's a variable that would mean a whole lot more to me. However, I disagree that you would pass on the remake and go for the original. I say you will buy the remake today and tomorrow you'll be back out there looking for the original. It's not your fault, it's the disease.
rbannon-----6ksi ductile might exclude one from being an exact duplicate, as I have no idea what type iron they were first cast from. But once this idea starts ***********, (And I'm predicting it will start in Wrench's garage like Microsoft), we'll have Wrench run you one off in 6ksi ductile.-----5 years from now, Wrenches garage will be 1 million square feet, and him and 300 other guys will be casting 209s as fast the government is printing money.
Filson-----I agree on the vintage factor. That's a variable that would mean a whole lot more to me. However, I disagree that you would pass on the remake and go for the original. I say you will buy the remake today and tomorrow you'll be back out there looking for the original. It's not your fault, it's the disease.
va.grouseman
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originally posted by oldldh.
Almost exact replicas are "real", but they are not "original" or "genuine"...
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Agreed.
Almost exact replicas are "real", but they are not "original" or "genuine"...
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Agreed.
wrenchguy
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Wrench-----It's hard to put a value on one, seeing that no one seemingly has one or has seen one. If a nice one popped up on E-bay, there's no telling what a bidding war would run to. But if an exact remake were to pop on E-bay, I'll bet the bidding would be fierce also. Who wouldn't throw in a bid on a 327 lb.----9 inch vise. When at the same time Some retailers are charging $4000.00+ for 800S Wiltons----238 lbs.
rbannon-----6ksi ductile might exclude one from being an exact duplicate, as I have no idea what type iron they were first cast from. But once this idea starts ***********, (And I'm predicting it will start in Wrench's garage like Microsoft), we'll have Wrench run you one off in 6ksi ductile.-----5 years from now, Wrenches garage will be 1 million square feet, and him and 300 other guys will be casting 209s as fast the government is printing money.
Filson-----I agree on the vintage factor. That's a variable that would mean a whole lot more to me. However, I disagree that you would pass on the remake and go for the original. I say you will buy the remake today and tomorrow you'll be back out there looking for the original. It's not your fault, it's the disease.
NOPE! i ain't got room on this 1 acre to start casting, but do have a good foundry an hour away. ("can-do metal", don't call on thursday, pour day). i wouldn't bid on a replica, purist in me, plus its the hunt that adds to the collecting. called and made offer on 208, 5 hours away, piece of cake-can of corn.
Is the huge prewar craftsman a reed??? i'd rather have that.
thanks 4 thinking of me.
Wrench
Filson[/B]-----I agree on the vintage factor. That's a variable that would mean a whole lot more to me. However, I disagree that you would pass on the remake and go for the original. I say you will buy the remake today and tomorrow you'll be back out there looking for the original. It's not your fault, it's the disease.
Shhh...
Trey T
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what kind of blast media material did you use?
Outlawmws
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Clik
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Trey,
I used #80 grit Black Diamond that I get at Tractor Supply.
You can do the handles as well and then wire wheel them smooth pretty easily.
A blast cabinet would be great for vises but I do other stuff that won't fit in a cabinet.
I used #80 grit Black Diamond that I get at Tractor Supply.
You can do the handles as well and then wire wheel them smooth pretty easily.
A blast cabinet would be great for vises but I do other stuff that won't fit in a cabinet.
Clik
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CAUTION! CAUTION! When blasting, really watch you eyes and lungs! Most blast media is very aggressive and will mess you up if you get it in your eyes or lungs.
HunterMike
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The addiction is starting to set in, please don't tell the misses! Just picked up this 8" ERON No 200. Needs jaws, but couldn't pass on the price, FREE!
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oldldh
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I really have to wonder what the prices would be if Reed restarted manufacturing the 209 again: if we interpolate the 2CA, 3CA and 4CA to a (Mythical) CA5, 6, 7, to get 7, 8 & 9" vise's I'd guess costs would look something like this:
Avoid the rush!!!
Get your orders in before the price goes up!!!
As I said before, one of these would keep your workbenches from shooting across the shop, as they are want to do!!!