A/C and heating unit pricing

[BUDSVTX]

I am changing out my A/C, natural gas heating unit in my home and I am asking if the pricing is in the ball park. SPECs are

16 sear Bryant, 5 ton, variable speed, 410A refrigant, Condenser
model 127ANA060, Furnice model 315AAZ066, evap coil CNPVT60. They are using the same liquid and suction line from the condenser to the evap coil with a new expansion valve and thermostat. We should be using the same duct work.

The price installed in a hall closet is $9530.00.

BUD

 

[Zeke]

Seems high to me as I've just gotten some estimates.

 

[rkentzel]

Way high and it will be years down the road on any kind of payback and then you will be looking at replacement again.

 

[Rockhead261]

Equipment cost: $3500-$4000
Materials (assumes new supply/return plenums, electrical tie-in, etc.) $1000-$1500
Labor: 24 man/hours @ 100/hr = $2400

Contractor cost = $6900 - $7900.

$9530 sounds like he's ready to do it for $9K even and make $1500 on the job.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

If you have any soldered joints in your line set, you might as well repipe it. You have to braze or silver solder for 410A...

Tommy

 

[brewchief]

That's in the ballpark in my area, make sure that includes a good media filter.

If you have to reuse the lineset make sure it is flushed to get rid of all the old oil and it doesn't have any soft solder joints.

 

[6t7gto]

And ask about warranty, Parts & labor.

 

[JimL]

I am changing out my A/C, natural gas heating unit in my home and I am asking if the pricing is in the ball park. SPECs are

16 sear Bryant, 5 ton, variable speed, 410A refrigant, Condenser
model 127ANA060, Furnice model 315AAZ066, evap coil CNPVT60. They are using the same liquid and suction line from the condenser to the evap coil with a new expansion valve and thermostat. We should be using the same duct work.

The price installed in a hall closet is $9530.00.

BUD

What kind of air filter? New transitions ect. metal? Ductboard?

Does seem a tad high though.

 

[mygarageone]

I think it's a fair price too. If he has to evac the old system remove dispose and install new equip . It's a fair price.
He'll also have to pump down the new install before charging it.

 

[Deltarat]

I am getting some prices on the same set up or maybe a heat pump,5 ton as well. I hope it isn't going to be that high, but it may be.

 

[BUDSVTX]

If they use the old liguid/suction tubing, it will be cleaned and flushed.

The warrant is a 10 year from Bryant, a 1 year Ultimate Test Drive (if you are not satisfied, they will remove and install something else), and a 5 year labor to repair any issues.

New plenum chamber, therostat, and I have to ask about the filter. Thanks for reminding me about the filter.

They will pump the old system down and dispose of the old system.

New condensate drip pan with high level unit shut down and will repipe the drain line to insure it is not plugged.

Forgot to mention that the compressor is a 3/5 ton system, 60% load is 3 tons. 100% load is 5 tons.

I did get a few other prices, from $8200.00 for a low priced contractor unit (no bells and whistles) to a $25000.00 for a unit that is solar powered.

Thank You for your input

BUD

 

[Random Guy]

Is this a standard two stage system, or the full variable capacity ultra fancy unit?

 

[Deltarat]

I was priced 5 ton heat pump or AC and gas furnace for $4500 for either. Nothing fancy, just a plain unit for less trouble and repairs with a 10 year warranty.

 

[curtrnev]

We just had a an American Standard unit put in. Added 3 cold air returns , replaced all ducts , attic mounted air filter/cleaner that all of the cold air ducts run through. 5 ton unit with variable speed fan and 2 stage compressor unit. Also has humidity control which is AWESOME! Price point was just a couple hundred more than you quote. This system replaced a 20 year old Lenox system that had been patched every which way.

 

[Deltarat]

We just had a an American Standard unit put in. Added 3 cold air returns , replaced all ducts , attic mounted air filter/cleaner that all of the cold air ducts run through. 5 ton unit with variable speed fan and 2 stage compressor unit. Also has humidity control which is AWESOME! Price point was just a couple hundred more than you quote. This system replaced a 20 year old Lenox system that had been patched every which way.

What is the humidity control?

 

[LS6 Tommy]

We just had a an American Standard unit put in. Added 3 cold air returns , replaced all ducts , attic mounted air filter/cleaner that all of the cold air ducts run through. 5 ton unit with variable speed fan and 2 stage compressor unit. Also has humidity control which is AWESOME! Price point was just a couple hundred more than you quote. This system replaced a 20 year old Lenox system that had been patched every which way.

Why is the filter on the supply and not the return where it's supposed to be? Are you talking about some sort of an extra filter?

Tommy

 

[curtrnev]

What is the humidity control?

The thermostat has a humidity sensor built in and will enable you to control the level in the home down to 40%. The lower stage of the compressor will come on and the blower will come on at a very low speed which you can barely feel. It will continue to run like this until the humidity reaches the set point or the inside temp reaches 3 degrees below the set point. As of yet it hasn't reached the 3 degree limit , I don't know if it cycles on and off or runs continuously while in this mode. For example if the outside air temp is 80 degrees and 80% humidity level I would have to have set my old system down to 74 or 75 degrees to get it to run long enough to get the clammy sticky feeling out of the house. Now I can leave the thermostat set to 78 degrees which is cool enough and still get the humidity level down in the house with out having a 5 ton unit running. It usually kicks off at 1 degree drop sometimes 2 degrees , to be honest you really can't tell when it comes on or goes off. The house is just a lot more comfortable. Hope this makes sense

Why is the filter on the supply and not the return where it's supposed to be? Are you talking about some sort of an extra filter?

My bad I reread what I posted , I meant to say cold air returns. Sorry
This way I only have one filter to take care of versus 4

 

[LS6 Tommy]

Cool. Got it.

Tommy

 

[BUDSVTX]

OK, I have been away for several days.

The unit is a 2 speed compressor and a variable speed inside fan motor. I need to find out about the humidity control. Down south, most the time in July, August, and September it will be 90% humidity with temps in the 95-100F outside. I am still looking at pricing, but I have it narrowed to 3 contractors and looking to do the install 5/9/2014, before it gets really hot.

I would like to thank everyone for their input.

BUD

 

[Deltarat]

What is the humidity control?

The thermostat has a humidity sensor built in and will enable you to control the level in the home down to 40%. The lower stage of the compressor will come on and the blower will come on at a very low speed which you can barely feel. It will continue to run like this until the humidity reaches the set point or the inside temp reaches 3 degrees below the set point. As of yet it hasn't reached the 3 degree limit , I don't know if it cycles on and off or runs continuously while in this mode. For example if the outside air temp is 80 degrees and 80% humidity level I would have to have set my old system down to 74 or 75 degrees to get it to run long enough to get the clammy sticky feeling out of the house. Now I can leave the thermostat set to 78 degrees which is cool enough and still get the humidity level down in the house with out having a 5 ton unit running. It usually kicks off at 1 degree drop sometimes 2 degrees , to be honest you really can't tell when it comes on or goes off. The house is just a lot more comfortable. Hope this makes sense

Why is the filter on the supply and not the return where it's supposed to be? Are you talking about some sort of an extra filter?
Do you have to have a 2 speed compressor and variable speed fan to make the humidity reduction work or do you just need a different thermostat?

 

[brewchief]

Do you have to have a 2 speed compressor and variable speed fan to make the humidity reduction work or do you just need a different thermostat?

Pretty much need the variable speed indoor fan and a thermostat capable of controlling it. Two speed compressor may improve it but is not necessarily needed. A clever guy could do it with a non-variable blower motor on some units with the addition of a thermostat and a relay but I doubt that it would be as effective.

The Lennox icomfort units allow you to choose if you want it to be able to cool below the set point or not.