Syncrowave questions

[Case IH]

Were looking at a new welder at work and the boss wants to get a syncrowave 210, everything we do is stainless and around 14-16 gauge....would this be a decent welder? Rite now we have a few econo-tigs, but there getting pretty worn out. Do the syncrowaves have pulse or would we need an external pulser? We only need about .5-1.5 pulses per second. Any other info would be appreciated.
Thanks

 

[zkling]

Those machines are very new and a bit obscure. They do have a pulse option. Had you bothered to check out the machine specs you would have found that out. If that is all you are doing you might want to look into a small dynasty fully loaded or even a maxstar (DC only) fully loaded. Possibly the syncro 250 with optional pulser, but that is really alot more machine than you need power wise.

The econo-tig is an extremely basic tig machine, if it is doing everything for you now any of the above mentioned machines would be a huge step up.

Also may want to check out the 185 ish Thermal arc. What are you currently using for pulse features now with the econo-tigs?

 

[brianpgriset]

I have a Syncrowave 200 and really like it. The 210 is even better with extended pulse and high frequency capabilities. Should weld 14ga stainless no problem.

 

[Rhyno]

Were looking at a new welder at work and the boss wants to get a syncrowave 210, everything we do is stainless and around 14-16 gauge....would this be a decent welder? .........
Thanks

I have welded a lot with this machine. I prefer it over the Dynasty series. But to answer your question, for that material, it'll be fine. Heavy Aluminum, it'll make you "ask for more."

....... Rite now we have a few econo-tigs, but there getting pretty worn out. .......
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The machines don't "Wear Out", but YOUR skills grow past THE MACHINE'S abilities.......

.........Do the syncrowaves have pulse or would we need an external pulser? .........
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The "External Pulser" is YOUR foot control.......old school...."95% to 5%..... on and off of the pedal" ....but a "Competent Craftsman" won't be bothered.....

.........We only need about .5-1.5 pulses per second. ........
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Smoke some Meth for that speed.....


Good luck to ya.....

It's a great machine

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[Rhyno]

Something that I forgot to add....

I hate "Inverters!!!"

Every one, that I have used, has failed. When they did work, they were OBNOXIOUS when welding A/C. They also have fried my IPOD and other MP3 Players. And that includes ALL MANUFACTURES.

Dynasty Models are inverters,......Syncrowave Models are Transformers......

TightWads will say that they save "Kilowatts Hours." I'm not "big" enough to have ever noticed a $ benefit......

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[mr overdunne]

Synchrowave 200 here. Zero problems.

 

[sberry]

I don't care for welding aluminum any way but the Dyn makes you feel like a super hero on alum. I agree about the power consumption statement, mostly irrelevant except for portable or moving where cords and extended circuits or poor service causes problems.

 

[BigMike782]

A Syncrowave 210 will rock you out just fine

 

[zkling]

I have welded a lot with this machine. I prefer it over the Dynasty series. But to answer your question, for that material, it'll be fine. Heavy Aluminum, it'll make you "ask for more."

It's a great machine

Something that I forgot to add....

I hate "Inverters!!!"

Every one, that I have used, has failed. When they did work, they were OBNOXIOUS when welding A/C. They also have fried my IPOD and other MP3 Players. And that includes ALL MANUFACTURES.

Dynasty Models are inverters,......Syncrowave Models are Transformers......

You love the 210, but you hate inverters? You do realize the 210 is a semi inverter based machine, right? That is how they got the size, weight and power input down drastically from the old syncro 200 while retaining the output characteristics, which like the other syncro series machines was purely transformer based. :

 

[dr_clyde]

I would recommend the Dynasty 200 DX. The pulser is very easy to operate, and has quite a range. I have owned one for several years with no problems whatsoever. The high frequency from a syncrowave is far more obnoxious than a dynasty. AC doesn't even need continuous anymore. I have used mine near a lot of elecronics with no issue, but the old syncro 351 would mess with speakers and my computer monitors out in the shop.

Don't be scared away by the inverter-phobes. They are a solid, well built machine. I love me a syncrowave, but the dynasty has it out classed in every way except perhaps price. Nothing wrong with a syncro, they're just heavy outdated and don't have some of the features I use, like the sequencer, AC frequency, and stuff like that.

If you need the duty cycle, don't be put off by a larger machine. Extra capacity is really handy.

I have 2 inverters, a Dynasty and an Invertec. I like my invertec for wire welding and stick, and the Dynasty for TIG.

 

[flyingtpot]

Inverter-phobes! There's plenty of them out there. Ask them if they're still driving on bias-ply tires and their ICE is still using a distributor points ignition.

The Dynasty series machines are extremely impressive and will make you want to expand your skills.

 

[Rhyno]

I have welded a lot with this machine. I prefer it over the Dynasty series. But to answer your question, for that material, it'll be fine. Heavy Aluminum, it'll make you "ask for more."




The machines don't "Wear Out", but YOUR skills grow past THE MACHINE'S abilities.......





The "External Pulser" is YOUR foot control.......old school...."95% to 5%..... on and off of the pedal" ....but a "Competent Craftsman" won't be bothered.....




Smoke some Meth for that speed.....


Good luck to ya.....

It's a great machine

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Something that I forgot to add....

I hate "Inverters!!!"

Every one, that I have used, has failed. When they did work, they were OBNOXIOUS when welding A/C. They also have fried my IPOD and other MP3 Players. And that includes ALL MANUFACTURES.

Dynasty Models are inverters,......Syncrowave Models are Transformers......

TightWads will say that they save "Kilowatts Hours." I'm not "big" enough to have ever noticed a $ benefit......

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You love the 210, but you hate inverters? You do realize the 210 is a semi inverter based machine, right? That is how they got the size, weight and power input down drastically from the old syncro 200 while retaining the output characteristics, which like the other syncro series machines was purely transformer based. :

Read it again.....keep your "love interpretations" inside your head.

Remember, that this thread is to help out the OP...... Save your arguments for some other place.

and STILL,.......I hate inverters!!!

 

[zkling]

So then I take it you own a syncro 210? Don't get mad I'm just curious why you contradict yourself by stating you hate inverters, yet seem not to have a problem with the 210, which is a partial inverter machine.

And yes I agree this thread is to help the OP out, which is why I brought up the point, especially after you stated.

Dynasty Models are inverters,......Syncrowave Models are Transformers......

Which, really technically isn't correct when speaking of the Syncro 210.

 

[ZRX61]

Synchrowave 200 here. Zero problems.

Ditto here

 

[Chuck122]

I would recommend the Dynasty 200 DX. The pulser is very easy to operate, and has quite a range. I have owned one for several years with no problems whatsoever. The high frequency from a syncrowave is far more obnoxious than a dynasty. AC doesn't even need continuous anymore. I have used mine near a lot of elecronics with no issue, but the old syncro 351 would mess with speakers and my computer monitors out in the shop.



Don't be scared away by the inverter-phobes. They are a solid, well built machine. I love me a syncrowave, but the dynasty has it out classed in every way except perhaps price. Nothing wrong with a syncro, they're just heavy outdated and don't have some of the features I use, like the sequencer, AC frequency, and stuff like that.



If you need the duty cycle, don't be put off by a larger machine. Extra capacity is really handy.



I have 2 inverters, a Dynasty and an Invertec. I like my invertec for wire welding and stick, and the Dynasty for TIG.

I look forward to trying out the dynasty for the HF thing. Getting zapped on AC gets old too

 

[Rhyno]

....... I'm just curious why you contradict yourself by stating you hate inverters, yet seem not to have a problem with the 210, which is a partial inverter machine. .........

Which, really technically isn't correct when speaking of the Syncro 210.

Well, you're right.....I looked at the specific 210, and Miller has introduced an inverter into the SyncroWave line.

I have welded with the Sync 180, 200, 280, 300, 350, 351, and another that I cant recall the "number." It was a 480Volt, 3 phase.

I assumed that the Syncrowave 210, was a Re-named Syncrowave 200 with a new control knob and sticker. (typical marketing idiot improvements), but I was wrong.....

I have also welded with all of the Dynasty models of a particular year and introduction. 200, 210, 300, 350, and maybe a 400...??

I contradicted myself, because Miller inverters were named Dynasty and Syncrowaves WERE transformers.

So let me rephrase some of my earlier text......

I LOVE TRANSFORMER MACHINES!!!....

I HATE INVERTERS!!!

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To the OP.....

Find yourself a 500 pound Transformer Machine, and hide out in the corner of the shop....

Do some dirty science....

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[zkling]

Again, not to be that guy, but I'm fairly certain all the Syncrowaves were single phase machines and they never made a syncro 280.

Would you mind explaining to the group and OP why you prefer transformer machines over inverters hands down, even if someone else is paying for it?

 

[Rhyno]

Again, not to be that guy, ......

Then make a better, but tougher choice..... DON'T be THAT GUY.

...... and they never made a syncro 280......

maybe it was a Sync 277 3/4, or a WeldShow Promo, or a typo, or a "seed" to check your Model knowledge.....

.....Would you mind explaining to the group and OP why you prefer transformer machines over inverters hands down, even if someone else is paying for it?

Re-Read it, but pay closer attention.

And if you ever get a chance to run anything 3 phase, do it.....110 volt ac anythings will never be the same.

...... all the Syncrowaves were single phase machines .......

Miller, and others have made 3 phase machines for a long time. The machine that I am talking about, was manufactured in the late 1950's early 1960's and it is/was 3 phase. And as I was getting a tour of the machine, I was told "this was the beginning of the Syncrowaves."

If I get near it again, I'll snap a pic.

What else do you wanna go back and forth about?

i.e. ....... Square Wave (versus SineWave) Technology is the newest and greatest?

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3 phase SineWave, is my favorite arc. But mobile,.... a D/C generator is.

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P.S........I still hate Inverters!!!

on edit......and Start up Capacitors!!

 

[Rhyno]

P.P.S.....

After you burn a few Semi Trailer loads of Welding Consumables......we'll be on the same page....

 

[Rhyno]

I look forward to trying out the dynasty for the HF thing. Getting zapped on AC gets old too

The "HF thing" is A/C.

When I perspire, too much, I put rubber gloves on under my weld gloves.

I also use heavy sleeves....... no more "Zappy."

 

[dr_clyde]

The "HF thing" is A/C.

When I perspire, too much, I put rubber gloves on under my weld gloves.

I also use heavy sleeves....... no more "Zappy."

See, most welders use HF to initiate the arc on DC. I've been zapped more on DC than AC.

The Syncrowave uses continuous HF on AC to maintain a stable arc. It messes with electronics. The Dynasty doesn't. It has something called High Frequency Impulse, and it eliminates the need for continuous HF on AC welding.

 

[dr_clyde]

Then make a better, but tougher choice..... DON'T be THAT GUY.



maybe it was a Sync 277 3/4, or a WeldShow Promo, or a typo, or a "seed" to check your Model knowledge.....



Re-Read it, but pay closer attention.

And if you ever get a chance to run anything 3 phase, do it.....110 volt ac anythings will never be the same.




Miller, and others have made 3 phase machines for a long time. The machine that I am talking about, was manufactured in the late 1950's early 1960's and it is/was 3 phase. And as I was getting a tour of the machine, I was told "this was the beginning of the Syncrowaves."

If I get near it again, I'll snap a pic.

What else do you wanna go back and forth about?

i.e. ....... Square Wave (versus SineWave) Technology is the newest and greatest?

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3 phase SineWave, is my favorite arc. But mobile,.... a D/C generator is.

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P.S........I still hate Inverters!!!

on edit......and Start up Capacitors!!

Also, the Dynasty 200 has Auto-Line, allowing it to run on any phase, any voltage.

Newer generators are also inverters, BTW. Let me guess, you're a big fan of the Lincoln short hood?

 

[Chuck122]

See, most welders use HF to initiate the arc on DC. I've been zapped more on DC than AC.

The Syncrowave uses continuous HF on AC to maintain a stable arc. It messes with electronics. The Dynasty doesn't. It has something called High Frequency Impulse, and it eliminates the need for continuous HF on AC welding.

thats what I was talking about.
I too have been zapped more on DC than on AC but i do about 95% steel...
I heard somewhere that the HF induces current in just about anything around the welding area, including yours truly. perhaps I got this all wrong but the stuns i got on AC felt much more uncalled for than those on DC.
This is not really a big concern cause you'll take the current every once in a while anyway but I tought that if the HF start only reduced that, it would be kind of nice.
(had to use these somehow)

 

[Rhyno]

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[Rhyno]

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