The VINTAGE toolboxes of Garage Journal!
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This one I picked up looks similar except for the drawer pulls?
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FJ 432
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Interesting. I don't normally see much Herbrand here in Denver but I did find one similar to yours in more of a typical layout for an upper chest with the same handles as yours.
Thanks for sharing. I thought my pair was much older and now I think they're close in age.
drivesitfar
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I found a Craftsman crown top tool box for my bench that will hold my Craftsman tools nicely after a little cleaning up.
never taken a craftsman tool box apart. are they pretty easy to do so and what is the best method? do i slide a little hacksaw blade up behind the slide or ??
Happy mothers day and always like seeing your guy's new acquisitions and restorations so keep posting with those great pictures.
never taken a craftsman tool box apart. are they pretty easy to do so and what is the best method? do i slide a little hacksaw blade up behind the slide or ??
Happy mothers day and always like seeing your guy's new acquisitions and restorations so keep posting with those great pictures.
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Mr.Ric
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It will be interesting to find out. To me, your bottom box has all the design cues from pre war, of course, those designs persisted in the manufacture and sale through and until the post war revisions, which were anywhere from 46 till 50. And I think, like with their tools, Herbrand wasn't on the front edge for style, like maybe Blackhawk and Plomb, but they certainly styled things up with a signature flair.
Compare the '38-46 Plomb (pressteel), Blackhawk, Snap on's redcaps and Huot to their offerings after say '48. To me, the roller at least is from the earlier vintage.
Outlawmws
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Dreamer, maybe someone replaced the drawer pulls? 
youngridge
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Random question, but I figured this would be the place to ask, on the old waterloo 26 inch toolbox, are the drawer slides friction? And how do they hold up?
FJ 432
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If your Waterloo is older it most certainly has friction slides. I can say that friction slides hold up quite well if their owners didn't over load the drawers.
Most likely yes, but it depends what you consider older and the specific box you are talking about. They changed friction slide design in the very early 80's to a cheaper slide design. Then in the early 90's started introducting ball bearing slides in their higher end 26" boxes.
As FJ432 mentioned maintenance is the key. Lubrication and not being in an abrasive environment (ex. a weld shop or body shop) they can last 50+ years. No lube, or the wrong type of lube + abrasive environment + heavy loading + lack of care could wear out a box in a few years easily.
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FJ 432
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This is a Herbrand that I bought in 2011 that matches 930's drawer pulls.
I have only a couple of pictures; one before restoration which shows a poorly coated gray covering the box and the drawers were painted a cream color. The Herbrand blue is seen on the inside of the box.
The after picture is the box being powder coated in black with the drawers spray painted in light blue. The drawer pulls in this photo matches 930 dreamer's after I removed the paint.
I have only a couple of pictures; one before restoration which shows a poorly coated gray covering the box and the drawers were painted a cream color. The Herbrand blue is seen on the inside of the box.
The after picture is the box being powder coated in black with the drawers spray painted in light blue. The drawer pulls in this photo matches 930 dreamer's after I removed the paint.
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RivennHewn
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That is awesome for $30. I want one.
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wornoutoldman
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I hope that cart is in your garage right now!
Itinerant
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Mr.Ric
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You can never go wrong with beeswax
Something called "door ease" it's a stick lubricant. Even just paraffin wax (which I think is what door ease is) from the grocery is good. Oil is OK. Grease works good for a while, but if it gets anything abrasive in it, basically turns into lapping compound and wears the slide and channel. The grease ends up stickey after a while and is a royal pain to clean. I've cleaned enough greased friction slides that I wouldn't even think of greasing them.
RivennHewn
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4 hr. round trip for me. Wasn't going to happen on momma's day.
Maybe if it's still around tomorrow afternoon........
Bigplum
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I wonder how long it will take before this is being passed as a Hazet Assistent ?
montanafordman
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My knowledge of Hazet is very limited, but that's what it looks like to me (aside from the color)
I know the Hazet carts are pretty coveted but I've never seen one in real life and was under the impression they are spendy. If this isn't a hazet cart what is the difference? Did someone else make a knock-off or counterfeit of that cart? What is the quality difference and what makes the Hazet carts valued the way they are? I feel a dangerous curiosity towards Hazet and German tools in general coming on. The European styling is just "different" and having been to Germany a couple times I guess I look at it as an interesting novelty and something I want to try out. They look cool and I like the colors - I'm sure those German tools have some cool ergonomics too.
FJ 432
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The cart in Seattle was made by Hory, a Japanese tool company. I'm in the process of restoring one.
I've owned an Assistent before and now my Hory. I can honestly say there is very little difference.
$30.00 is a steal. I hope someone grabs this great little cart.
Thanks, I look forward to seeing it!
Itinerant
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Something called "door ease" it's a stick lubricant. Even just paraffin wax (which I think is what door ease is) from the grocery is good. Oil is OK. Grease works good for a while, but if it gets anything abrasive in it, basically turns into lapping compound and wears the slide and channel. The grease ends up stickey after a while and is a royal pain to clean. I've cleaned enough greased friction slides that I wouldn't even think of greasing them.
Thanks for the replies, I've been using a spray on garage door lube and it's worked okay but I'll have to give the waxes a try.
I know what you mean about the grease, I hate trying to clean that stuff up.
RedVise
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I just flipped a Matco 33" intermediate 3 drawer box, made in 1978.
Cleaned the slides and they were in great shape. Now that is an industrial box but the slides didnt look any more heavy duty that other slides I have looked at. YMMV
Brian
Found this site while researching the logo on this recent acquisition. Tough call which thread to put it in and opted for "Vintage." I have wanted to find a bigger box to replace one I have but wasn't actively looking then this popped up. Though I was really considering a wagon as my next purchase, space was a factor and this had a cool factor. It's 33" and the top box must weigh at least 150 ball busting pounds. The only minus is that it has friction glides and when loaded takes some effort to open. While "minimal," the $325 was much more than I usually spend at a garage sale. Have two other "vintage" sets of which one now needs to go and several other boxes.
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bobcatdan
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Nice find, the big 33" craftsman are had to find. I bet a god clean and lube, the slides should work better.
Bigplum
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that one has plastic sliders on the trays for the pillers , like the cheapie chinese ones , the Horys I've seen have steel like the Hazets and wheels again look cheap unlike the Hory which look alot like the Hazets
the Copy ones were only about £80 new over here
Bigplum
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My knowledge of Hazet is very limited, but that's what it looks like to me (aside from the color)
I feel a dangerous curiosity towards Hazet and German tools in general coming on. The European styling is just "different" and having been to Germany a couple times I guess I look at it as an interesting novelty and something I want to try out. They look cool and I like the colors - I'm sure those German tools have some cool ergonomics too.
the Hazets have good build quality , heavy gauge steel , nice wheels and the tops when extended are very solid, even when old and rusty they can be brought back to life , they may have been made under licence in Mexico too.
if you go to the Samba forum there is about a Gizilllion pages about Hazet Assistents
the cheap chinese ones are quite bendy lightweight things , the plastic tube sliders fatigue and break leaving them wobbly
FJ 432
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Just to be clear, the Hory I have has plastic inserts in the two intermediate trays probably similar to the chinese knockoffs. You're right, I don't remember that feature in the Assistent I owned. Personally I don't think that detracts from the value that much. The gauge of metal used by both companies I would say is the same. The chains, posts and locking mechanisms are very close as well.
The differences include the quality of casters and of course price.
emeraldcoupe
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that's a nice box, I'd love to find one like that.
Bigplum
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here's a Hory , no plastic inserts , has caddy stamped on the side
http://www.sekaimon.com/i110838978791
this is the chinese one towards the bottom of the page
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156061&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
http://www.sekaimon.com/i110838978791
this is the chinese one towards the bottom of the page
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156061&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
drivesitfar
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while i was at my mother-in-law's for mother's day i received an email from another GJ member saying this cool cart was for sale. i pulled up the Craigs ad and noticed it was only 15 to 20 minutes from where i was and normally would have been over an hour so i called the owner. he said he was just leaving his sister's and would be home soon. as i went out to our car i then remembered we had my wife's car because mine was full from the prior day's big trip around the state. then i also remembered my daughter didn't drive herself so her wheelchair needed to go into the back of our CRV.
now what was a $30 tool cart and a short trip all of a sudden became a 2 plus hour drive if i couldn't pick it up on Sunday. i called the owner and said i couldn't do it on Sunday and would he hold it for me until i had time to drive down. he obliged and i met him last night to pick it up. of course i almost always ask if they have a big vise or another tool to sell so he was also selling a Steihl leaf blower for $50 that i also bought.
now i go to post not certain how old it is or if actually a toolbox and notice that this little cart is already researched and been a talked about item. i'm not sure what i'm going to do with it or where i'm going to use it, but it's here now. I've seen the European ones and always thought they were cool so do they all function the same and what are some of the cool features of it that i should know??
now what was a $30 tool cart and a short trip all of a sudden became a 2 plus hour drive if i couldn't pick it up on Sunday. i called the owner and said i couldn't do it on Sunday and would he hold it for me until i had time to drive down. he obliged and i met him last night to pick it up. of course i almost always ask if they have a big vise or another tool to sell so he was also selling a Steihl leaf blower for $50 that i also bought.
now i go to post not certain how old it is or if actually a toolbox and notice that this little cart is already researched and been a talked about item. i'm not sure what i'm going to do with it or where i'm going to use it, but it's here now. I've seen the European ones and always thought they were cool so do they all function the same and what are some of the cool features of it that i should know??
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Hey guys, I didnt get the waterloo, but stumbles across a 26 inch s k 10 drawer chest, price was right (free), so I got it, friction slides, seemed well lubricated, the locking mechanis for the top lid is a bit out of wack, but I got it working, will fine tune it when I get some more time, replaced the lock on it too, didnt come with keys, thanks for answers to my questions and input guys!!
Outlawmws
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It's a Hazat, right?
The one DIF got? No I believe it is a Hory Caddy, a Japanese made clone of the Hazet.
O, pics of that please. It was probably actually built by waterloo. But dang a 10 drawer SK top chest
Is it green or red?
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drivesitfar
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Outlaw: yes i think Zkling is correct that mine is a Japanese made Hory Cady cart. a few posts earlier in this thread the guys were talking about the very one i actually bought.
i'll take better pictures and see if it has all the options that the Hazet does because i really like the pictures I've seen of the Hazet ones that some of our European members have been using in their shops.
here's some pictures I found of the Hazet so i might be searching for some of this blue or grey paint now that we have 80 degree weather this week.
i'll take better pictures and see if it has all the options that the Hazet does because i really like the pictures I've seen of the Hazet ones that some of our European members have been using in their shops.
here's some pictures I found of the Hazet so i might be searching for some of this blue or grey paint now that we have 80 degree weather this week.
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I didn't see that earlier. Very cool setup. That should be about the same build quality as the well respsected 33" matco box. Both of which were built by waterloo. Does the bottom drawer have dual slides on it? Black retainer clips on the end of the slides? Check the bottom frame rail (red) for a date stamp.
PCO6
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I had one like the one in post #2674 back in the 70's but I can't recall the name of it. I'm sure it was Japanese so that could be it. They were good carts and they were reasonably priced.