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[Carla]

Parker vise value?

I'm slowly working away at cleaning out some of my storage areas, and finding new homes for some stuff I thought we 'might need someday'.

This is a Parker 386, 6" jaw, swivel base and swivel back jaw, catalogue weight 174lbs, of, probably, 1940's vintage .

I think it may have been Navy surplus, maybe off a ship, Note the forged eye-bolt in the taper pin for the back jaw, and the original Parker special nut with captive wrench for the swivel base having been replaced by a tall special nut with a swivelling cast bronze handle, consistent with Navy shipyard or repair ship work.

It has been sitting, collecting dust, since the early 1980's that I know of, and we never did get around to putting it on a bench to use. (the screw was removed to allow it to be moved in parts, but is present. The screw and handle are in good condition.

Here, if the link works, is a photo, as it sits in storage

www.tactical-link.com/cpix/parkervise.jpg

(I would have done a couple more photos, but I'll have to get a helper to move it.....I can't even budge the bl**dy thing myself.)

As you see, it has its paint well chipped and has some light rust from sitting all these years in storage.....yes, I know, it should have been cosmolened, what can I say?

I really don't think I'm going to be needing it, as I'm really trying to avoid doing any heavy work these days, which might need a vise that size.

So.....I'm thinking about offering it in the 'for sale' area here, but I'm not motivated to sell it cheaply........what, in the opinion of the folks here is a fair price to ask for it, considering both that its a high quality vise and a relatively uncommon version, in good condition, but ugly, wanting a good refinish, etc.?

I would be willing to ship it by UPS, in two pieces, but shipping something of that weight would not be cheap.....and it would need, probably, $10-ish worth of glassfibre strapping tape for its boxes. Even the rough handling UPS gives items couldn't break something like this, to be sure, but I could envision it coming out of a shattered cardboard box if the box wasn't well taped over.

I should mention that I'm in the S. F. bay area of California, in the foot-hills out east of San Jose, 50-ish mi south of S. F.

cheers

Carla

 

[McBrownie]

Re: Parker vise value?

I'm slowly working away at cleaning out some of my storage areas, and finding new homes for some stuff I thought we 'might need someday'.

This is a Parker 386, 6" jaw, swivel base and swivel back jaw, catalogue weight 174lbs, of, probably, 1940's vintage .

I think it may have been Navy surplus, maybe off a ship, Note the forged eye-bolt in the taper pin for the back jaw, and the original Parker special nut with captive wrench for the swivel base having been replaced by a tall special nut with a swivelling cast bronze handle, consistent with Navy shipyard or repair ship work.

It has been sitting, collecting dust, since the early 1980's that I know of, and we never did get around to putting it on a bench to use. (the screw was removed to allow it to be moved in parts, but is present, and in good condition.

Here, if the link works, is a photo, as it sits in storage

www.tactical-link.com/cpix/parkervise.jpg

(I would have done a couple more photos, but I'll have to get a helper to move it.....I can't even budge the bl**dy thing myself.)

As you see, it has its paint well chipped and has some light rust from sitting all these years in storage.....yes, I know, it should have been cosmolened, what can I say?

I really don't think I'm going to be needing it, as I'm really trying to avoid doing any heavy work these days, which might need a vise that size.

So.....I'm thinking about offering it in the 'for sale' area here, but I'm not motivated to sell it cheaply........what, in the opinion of the folks here is a fair price to ask for it, considering both that its a high quality vise and a relatively uncommon version, in good condition, but ugly, wanting a good refinish, etc.?

I would be willing to ship it by UPS, in two pieces, but shipping something of that weight would not be cheap.....and it would need, probably, $10-ish worth of glassfibre strapping tape for its boxes. Even the rough handling UPS gives items couldn't break something like this, to be sure, but I could envision it coming out of a shattered cardboard box if the box wasn't well taped over.

cheers

Carla

Holy S***!! A 6" Parker swivel jaw!?!? Let the bidding begin!

 

[oldldh]

Oldldh, do you know when that add was published? I guessed 1965 and calculated (or let an app calculate) the cost of that elusive one in today's dollars. $54 in 1965 is worth $406 today. There is no way that was a big seller back in the day. Do you think they sold zero? I don't think so. It had to be a small run, but some must have been made. The search continues.

As far as I know, the 519X series vises were manufactured from the late 40's to the late 50's...

The larger sizes probably wouldn't have been big sellers...a lot of money, back in the day...like buying a new Wilton 500S today...

There are a couple of 5197's is GJ'ers collections, but no 5198's...

Not even a photo of a 5198 exists on line...

The search continues...

 

[fullthrottle24]

Nothing intelligent to add, but I also think Reed was the OEM. No one else that I know of has ever used the oil holes on the side.

Craftsman vises seem to be Rock Island, then Reed followed by Columbian. The 519x series are between Reed and Columbian era. The vise has the stout weight and oiling ports, which seem Reed like. The jaws use screws which neither Reed nor Columbian used on their base models. The most compelling feature that makes it seem Columbian, is the handle. The shape is very similar to the one Tedsters just picked up. It truly is a nice vise, regardless who made it.

 

[oldldh]

Let's see, Carla, a Parker 386, in such crappy shape is worth....

HMMMM....

I'll give you $ 50.00 for it---

Since you aren't going to accept my cheapskate offer, there are several members of the vise fraternity living on the left coast...

They will probably be melting the PM circuits...

Right about...

NOW!!!

 

[McBrownie]

As far as I know, the 519X series vises were manufactured fro the late 40's to the late 50's...

The calculator says - $475-$725 for those date ranges. A whole bunch of cash.

Have you checked with any museums?

 

[AndrewH]

They will probably be melting the PM circuits...

Right about...

NOW!!!

I already did so much earlier! lol

 

[oldldh]

The calculator says - $475-$725 for those date ranges. A whole bunch of cash. Have you checked with any museums?

I don't know about museums...

But to find the modern equivalent, i.e.---a 5" swivel base machinist's vise, one would have to look at the Yost 205 (75 lbs/$ 579.00 at Northern Tool), or a Wilton 500S (95 lbs/$ 1,000.00+ at lots of outlets)...

107 lbs of Craftsman 5198, is 12.5% heavier than a Wilton, and almost 43% heavier than a Yost 205!!!

The 519X series are some of the stoutest, best looking vises ever made...

I've had a wanted ad up on GJ since last July, and it has almost 5,000 views, and, so far, all I've gotten is one PM asking---"How much was I willing to pay???" And not being able to send any photos or description...he just wanted me to send him money---off into a black hole...I fell off the banana boat, but not yesterday...

Several members of this forum have 5197's, but no 5198's...

The first photo is a Columbian 60's replacement of the 519X series, the second is a GJ'ers 5197, and the third is a "properly restored 5196"...

The search continues...

 

[Outlawmws]

Carla, is the main screw is missing in the picture? Do you have it?

 

[bgarrett]

Here is a pic of the vise I use, I got it from my grandfather, its missing the handle, so I use an extension in its place.

Who made this and whats the value? Theres one here for sale $325

 

[Outlawmws]

Oldldh made most of the points: The "T" style jaws are another Columbian feature, and that '73 commercial Craftsman he posted HAS been positively Identified with an identical Columbian in this very thread (but good luck finding the post..) .

They stopped listing the 5" by 1960 (Keeping a lighter weight 4-1/2) but after 1957. I don't have catalogs for 58/9...

Could it be another Mfgs? Maybe, but the hard evidence points Columbian

Here is another key feature many don't know about: The main screw nut had a slice in it, leaving like one thread. It also has a set screw to adjust any screw back lash out of the threads by flexing that slice...

Does ANY manufacturer have that feature? AFAIK its unique to the 51XX series... This is probably a spec built vise for Sears, and was intended to be the best vise available in class. Not the first or last time Sears worked with a supplier for something no one else had, or was a cut above the pack... (think the RHFT ratchet with QR... 90 teeth; in the early 70's - When did the rest of the industry catch up?)

Those WERE the "good old days"...

I don't know about museums...

But to find the modern equivalent, i.e.---a 5" swivel base machinist's vise, one would have to look at the Yost 205 (75 lbs/$ 579.00 at Northern Tool), or a Wilton 500S (95 lbs/$ 1,000.00+ at lots of outlets)...

107 lbs of Craftsman 5198, is 12.5% heavier than a Wilton, and almost 43% heavier than a Yost 205!!!

The 519X series are some of the stoutest, best looking vises ever made...

I've had a wanted ad up on GJ since last July, and it has almost 5,000 views, and, so far, all I've gotten is one PM asking---"How much was I willing to pay???" And not being able to send any photos or description...he just wanted me to send him money---off into a black hole...I fell off the banana boat, but not yesterday...

Several members of this forum have 5197's, but no 5198's...

The first photo is a Columbian 60's replacement of the 519X series, the second is a GJ'ers 5197, and the third is a "properly restored 5196"...

The search continues...

 

[Outlawmws]

Who made this and whats the value? Theres one here for sale $325

You can buy Asian made vises like that at HF for about $70. Walk away.

 

[drivesitfar]

here's the interesting vise nut off my 5196. as you can see it has an interesting design which Outlaw described in detail. i'd post a full picture of my 5196, but i'm waiting for the Tri-Flow grease to be shipped.

now as far as who made these awesome vises i'm not sure it's Columbian because i heard from the 80 year old client/friend of mine that i bought it from that it was made by Starrett. so i'll ask him how he knows that or if he has any other information to put more light on the subject.

I did find the Rock Island Craftsmans which look pretty darn nice by the way and they actually have the same jaw design as the 519xx series. So if we can't even figure out who made the darn vise how are we going to find one to own or buy?

the vise looks more like a Rock Island vise than my Starrett, but the hub and vise nut are very unique.

Carla: nice Parker and any more pictures to share or do you already have a firm offer from Andrew? also you mentioned the screw was pulled out so any pictures of that too? i'm curious if that is an after market pin on the swivel jaw and there looks like a pin going through the top of the static jaw just under the swivel. thanks for asking for our opinion, but need a few more pictures. what do you think it's worth?

 

[drivesitfar]

Nothing intelligent to add, but I also think Reed was the OEM. No one else that I know of has ever used the oil holes on the side.

just an FYI. where the oil hole is on the Reed vises there is a solid rivet or pin in my 5196 so it's not an oil hole. i know the Craftsmans made by Reed are awesome vises and i would like to own a 300 pound Craftsman probably more than a 5198 that is only 107 pounds. both would be nice on each end of the bench, but it would have to be a pretty well built bench.

the mystery continues. if there is a non member out there watching this thread that actually owns one of these awesome vises would you please join Garage Journal and post some pictures to make a few old guys and gals smile?

 

[oldldh]

For the foreseeable future, I'm going to have to make do with my Starrett 925...

As soon as I get off my dead ***, and finish the restoration...

Which is a mighty nice vise, roughly 90 pounds...

I'm trying to justify Brother Scott's Reed 106 as a workbench balance weight!!!

But the Reed is roughly 130 pounds, so I'm going to "need" the 5198 to counterbalance my work bench, or my garage may list to the port side...

One will eventually turn up, I hope with a reasonable price and a high degree of "pristineness"...

One can but hope...

The search continues...

 

[bl00]

just an FYI. where the oil hole is on the Reed vises there is a solid rivet or pin in my 5196 so it's not an oil hole.

Interesting. I figured it was the oil hole type with a spring loaded ball bearing in it. Well, I guess I'll just have to go get one so I can examine it a little closer.

 

[bigcaddy]

Re: Parker vise value?

I'm slowly working away at cleaning out some of my storage areas, and finding new homes for some stuff I thought we 'might need someday'.

This is a Parker 386, 6" jaw, swivel base and swivel back jaw, catalogue weight 174lbs, of, probably, 1940's vintage .

I think it may have been Navy surplus, maybe off a ship, Note the forged eye-bolt in the taper pin for the back jaw, and the original Parker special nut with captive wrench for the swivel base having been replaced by a tall special nut with a swivelling cast bronze handle, consistent with Navy shipyard or repair ship work.

It has been sitting, collecting dust, since the early 1980's that I know of, and we never did get around to putting it on a bench to use. (the screw was removed to allow it to be moved in parts, but is present. The screw and handle are in good condition.

Here, if the link works, is a photo, as it sits in storage

www.tactical-link.com/cpix/parkervise.jpg

(I would have done a couple more photos, but I'll have to get a helper to move it.....I can't even budge the bl**dy thing myself.)

As you see, it has its paint well chipped and has some light rust from sitting all these years in storage.....yes, I know, it should have been cosmolened, what can I say?

I really don't think I'm going to be needing it, as I'm really trying to avoid doing any heavy work these days, which might need a vise that size.

So.....I'm thinking about offering it in the 'for sale' area here, but I'm not motivated to sell it cheaply........what, in the opinion of the folks here is a fair price to ask for it, considering both that its a high quality vise and a relatively uncommon version, in good condition, but ugly, wanting a good refinish, etc.?

I would be willing to ship it by UPS, in two pieces, but shipping something of that weight would not be cheap.....and it would need, probably, $10-ish worth of glassfibre strapping tape for its boxes. Even the rough handling UPS gives items couldn't break something like this, to be sure, but I could envision it coming out of a shattered cardboard box if the box wasn't well taped over.

I should mention that I'm in the S. F. bay area of California, in the foot-hills out east of San Jose, 50-ish mi south of S. F.

cheers

Carla

Its a good thing ill be near san jose this weekend i might have to come check it out myself. Either way, its a very nice looking parker vise

 

[va.grouseman]

Originally posted by b100.

Interesting. I figured it was the oil hole type with a spring loaded ball bearing in it. Well, I guess I'll just have to go get one so I can examine it a little closer.
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Fred, I don't know if they were produced in different configurations, but I have a 4 inch Craftsman of that style with just the kind of oil hole that you described, (spring loaded ball bearing). I also have a 3 1/2 inch with nothing but a 5/16 hole. I think the bearing mechanisms were removed on some because it takes such a nimble oil nozzle to fit in them, but I believe ball bearing was the norm.
As far as the maker is concerned, I was all settled that Columbian was the maker of this style Craftsman but now thanks to all the GJ pundits, I'm back to square one on the matter. But seeing that we can't all agree on a maker, I think I'll err on the side of Outlaw.

 

[JasonJ]

Interesting. I figured it was the oil hole type with a spring loaded ball bearing in it. Well, I guess I'll just have to go get one so I can examine it a little closer.

On my 5196, it is an oil hole as you described. Spring loaded ball fitting.

 

[oldldh]

Re: Parker vise value?

Its a good thing ill be near san jose this weekend i might have to come check it out myself. Either way, its a very nice looking parker vise

Hey, Big...

Be sure to post some photos of it...

When you get it home!!!

 

[dismayed]

Carla: Thanks for all the info your provided about my old Columbian find. I really appreciate the info, I've searched for some old ads but haven't found it in them yet. But I'll keep looking.

drivesitfar: Do you have any local help for my cracking older Columbian (details below)? Also, you asked earlier about my other vises... for now you can see them in this post http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3950298&postcount=15967 I like that you picked up the rock island in Issaquah, did you consider the "giant vise" in Lake Stevens that has the welded on swivel jaw?

A while back I picked up this Columbian and found it has a crack, what would you do with it if it were yours?



Brazing is beyond my skills/equipment level and I didn't really plan on using this one too hard as I've got plenty of other users. I love its history though, thanks!

 

[mtesh73]

choice between parker 203 and 823 1/2

which one would you choose and why? not too concerned over the 1/2" jaw width difference. i am not very familiar with either, so any input is appreciated.

 

[drivesitfar]

Jason:were you able to remove and replace the spring loaded ball bearing fitting because i didn't try to remove mine that looked like a rivet. pardon me B100 if i jumped the gun on assuming it was a rivet but it didn't look like mine would come out. mine may have been replaced. i do have a few small Reed vises that have that oil hole along with a screw to hold in the strange nut they designed. how would i remove mine if it is a ball bearing fitting?

also Jason and anybody else that owns these Craftsman 519x vises is your sleeve inside the dynamic jaw threaded like mine is with a set screw holding it in place?

Outlaw: you might be correct that these were made by Columbian because Craftsman did use them and i'll see if i can find out more information from my 80 year old friend that swears that they were made by Starrett. it looks more like a Rock Island with a few tweeks to me. it is a cool vise and when i turned the corner in his garage and saw it sitting on a bench i almost had a heart attack. it could be a Columbian made vise like you say, but i probably like the history of these vises more than the vises themselves so anybody that might have been in the factory when these are made we'd sure like you to chime in. PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!!

Dismayed: Sorry i don't know what to tell you about the fix for your old Columbian because i don't have that talent (yet). not a good place to have a crack starting that is for sure. good luck with that. i think the guy with the welded swivel jaw vise for sale in Lake Stevens might have read our posts when he first listed for $100 so he raised his price to $225 then back to $100. did you see that? i offered $50 because i really only need a couple parts off of it and he didn't respond.

 

[gear_driven]

Who made this and whats the value? Theres one here for sale $325

Im not sure who made this, Ill take a closer look at it when I get home, but I don't see it being worth that much I would not pay that much for it, I inherited this vise so it was free and I like it because I remember it from when I was a kid. it diffidently dose not stand up to what a Wilton vise is. and for $325 I would rather buy a Wilton vise or a equal quality piece.

 

[Carla]

Re: Parker vise value?

Its a good thing ill be near san jose this weekend i might have to come check it out myself. Either way, its a very nice looking parker vise

Hello, bigcaddy,

If you'd like to come have a look at the vise this week-end, you are welcome.

You can also look at some other tooling miscellany which I've decided to sell, as well. There was a time, some years ago, when we bought out 'lots' of various items at surplus, just to get one or two of the items, and there was a lot of other miscellany left over.

Just call first, my number here is 408 923 0843. My location is easily found from the 101 or 680 freeways, but my address won't locate on your gps, as there are multiple numbering systems on the road where I live.

I'll be working, or, more accurately, supervising/teaching some helpers, on my comms vehicle, with the end in view of being able to roll it for ham radio field day this June.

A bit of explanation here.......if you'd like, have a look at our old web-site
www.tactical-link.com or do a 'Google' search on WA6UBE. My late partner, Patricia Elaine, was a comms engineer, and somewhat famous in her field. The comms vehicle was our project, which we set up n the 1989-90 time-frame, but it now has some problems from neglect in storage for several years.

It was last run in June of '07, after which her health problems became really disabling for her. She passed away in March of '10. I have a radio license myself, and filed with the FCC for her call sign, so now I'm WA6UBE, but I'm not a comms engineer as she was.(actually, I couldn't bear the thought of some anonymous lid getting her call as a re-issue call, which happened after a good friend of ours passed away......he, too, was somewhat famous within the comms field, and hearing his call used by someone who had no idea as to whose call it had been was a bit traumatic for us)

I've been asked by our local R.A.C.E.S. (volunteer emergency reserve comms responders) group to roll the unit for this coming field day, but now I've got to get helpers to do most of the work I once did, as I've managed to survive to become a 'human antique' or 'living history' myself, but have some issues from old injuries these days, so I'm 'slowed to a crawl' so to speak.

cheers

Carla

 

[Carla]

Carla: Thanks for all the info your provided about my old Columbian find. I really appreciate the info, I've searched for some old ads but haven't found it in them yet. But I'll keep looking.
drivesitfar: Do you have any local help for my cracking older Columbian (details below)? Also, you asked earlier about my other vises... for now you can see them in this post http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3950298&postcount=15967 I like that you picked up the rock island in Issaquah, did you consider the "giant vise" in Lake Stevens that has the welded on swivel jaw?
A while back I picked up this Columbian and found it has a crack, what would you do with it if it were yours?

Brazing is beyond my skills/equipment level and I didn't really plan on using this one too hard as I've got plenty of other users. I love its history though, thanks!

Hi, dismayed,

About all you can do with that vise is to put it aside for now.

Eventually, you will find someone who is good at repair brazing, and have it brazed. If the work is done by someone who is good at brazing, understands the techniques of pre-heat and slow cooling needed for that class of iron, etc., a braze, correctly done, will have the vise as serviceable as ever.

You have my sympathies on that situation, its a dirty bit of 'bad luck'.....but, at least, it is repairable. If this were twenty years ago, I'd have offered to braze it up myself, but I really mustn't be doing such work these days.......I get to be 'living history' or some such (expletives) thing.

cheers

Carla

 

[drivesitfar]

Carla: thanks for the awesome post again and one word from someone who has dealt with the public in sales for almost 40 years now. you might want members to PM you for your phone # and not post it so the world can call you. you can edit that out if you wish to or leave it if you are ok with that.

good luck on your projects and BC will make a good home for your vise in his little (huge amount) vise museum if you can come to terms.

 

[oldldh]

I'll put $ 5.00 on that wee beastie following BC home this weekend...

Any takers???

 

[JasonJ]

Jason:were you able to remove and replace the spring loaded ball bearing fitting because i didn't try to remove mine that looked like a rivet. pardon me B100 if i jumped the gun on assuming it was a rivet but it didn't look like mine would come out. mine may have been replaced. i do have a few small Reed vises that have that oil hole along with a screw to hold in the strange nut they designed. how would i remove mine if it is a ball bearing fitting?

also Jason and anybody else that owns these Craftsman 519x vises is your sleeve inside the dynamic jaw threaded like mine is with a set screw holding it in place?

I removed my oiler by removing the spindle, then I went behind the oiler through the hole on the inside of the dynamic jaw. I placed a small socket head screw that would loosely fit inside the hole and then just tapped it out gently.

The main screw has a collar that had to be threaded on until it was close to the dynamic jaw, then held in place with the set screw.

 

[FMC1959]

Re: choice between parker 203 and 823 1/2

which one would you choose and why? not too concerned over the 1/2" jaw width difference. i am not very familiar with either, so any input is appreciated.

You didn't mention price or condition, so I will assume they are similar. I am not an expert, but if I were in your shoes, I would go for the 823 1/2 for a few reasons....oh, the 203 had 3 1/2" jaws, so they are the same jaw size

The 203 (later became the 973 1/2) is an "Eclipse" line, the 823 1/2 (previously 239X) is from the "Superior" line. I think most would agree that a Parker is a Parker and they made great vises, but the Superior were more heavy duty.

A 203 weighs 41 lbs, an 823 1/2 weighs 52 lbs

The Superior series are more rare, be it the 800 series or previous "X" series, you don't see that many, even on eBay.

 

[killstressdesigns]

So I was at Chip Foose's shop today and saw the most beautiful vise ever. Perhaps this has been posted already. If so, forgive me.

Tyler

 

[zkling]

So I was at Chip Foose's shop today and saw the most beautiful vise ever. Perhaps this has been posted already. If so, forgive me.

Tyler

Wow, details please. Not sure I would say most beautiful, definitely unique. Looks like it has seen lots of use.

 

[oldldh]

Wow!!!

Just Wow!!!

Most beautiful vise in the known universe???

Don't know about that, but here's his Big Brother...

 

[CudaChick1968]

It's a thing of beauty!!!! Hmmmm, he's one of my FaceBook friends and a fan of the shop. Wonder if I can use some feminine wiles and talk him out of it??

LMAO ...... as if. It was a fun thought for a second though.

 

[killstressdesigns]

Wow!!!

Just Wow!!!

Most beautiful vise in the known universe???

Don't know about that, but here's his Big Brother...

I know, my jaw just about hit the floor.

"Most beautiful vise ever" hyperbole for sure but DAMN!

 

[BJ42LX]

So I was at Chip Foose's shop today and saw the most beautiful vise ever. Perhaps this has been posted already. If so, forgive me.

Tyler,

What were you doing at Foose's?

I'm going to be on the West Coast this summer for vacation. I understand Foose's shop is open daily at lunchtime for visitors. I'm planning to stop in just to say I did it.

 

[454ragtop]

It's a thing of beauty!!!! Hmmmm, he's one of my FaceBook friends and a fan of the shop. Wonder if I can use some feminine wiles and talk him out of it??

LMAO ...... as if. It was a fun thought for a second though.

You never know, never underestimate the power of feminine wiles.....

 

[oldldh]

"Most beautiful vise ever" hyperbole for sure but DAMN!

You spell that word----


DAY---UM!!!


His "Big Brother" ain't too shabby, either...


Interesting...same design and lathe work...


Same restorer???

 

[killstressdesigns]

Tyler,

What were you doing at Foose's?

I'm going to be on the West Coast this summer for vacation. I understand Foose's shop is open daily at lunchtime for visitors. I'm planning to stop in just to say I did it.

I was there talking about some tooling that they are looking to upgrade.

Definitely do it! The shop is open for tours daily M-F 12pm-1pm I think.

Tyler

 

[killstressdesigns]

You spell that word----


DAY---UM!!!


His "Big Brother" ain't too shabby, either...


Interesting...same design and lathe work...


Same restorer???

Yeah the "Big Brother" is a fine piece of work! DAY---UM!!

Looks similar. A fine lesson in how to make a rough casting into art. I'd love to have one in my living room


Tyler