The VISES of Garage Journal

[AndrewH]

A 5196 is a nice 4 inch vise...

There was one on Ebay, last year, that went for $ 265.00 plus freight!!!

It was almost "new looking"...

I also quit at $ 150.00---and it kept going up between three bidders, until it made over three hundred, including freight...

They are very nice vises, but that's a lot of cash, for one...

5196's pop up frequently...5197's about 1/10th as often, and 5198's have never popped up!!!

The search continues...

Did you save any photos of the "Lost 5196"???

Here ya go, it was in great condition, it just wasn't worth $200+ to me..

 

[zkling]

A very nice Morgan 80, has popped up on Ebay...

My tired old eyes noticed that the jaws are missing, but the rest of it looks nearly new!!!

Fixed base, but I'll bet a swivel base could be found, if necessary...

Nice 8"ers don't come up to often...

I always enjoy those back of the car pics.

 

[AndrewH]

I always enjoy those back of the car pics.

In 7 days I'm planning on it being in the back of my car!

 

[zkling]

In 7 days I'm planning on it being in the back of my car!

On the buying side it's one thing, but on the selling side I find it to be a bit questionable.

 

[CudaChick1968]

... Nice 8"ers don't come up to often...

Did you really say that out loud?? Gotta admit, it made my mind wander for a moment ... vices indeed.

Back to the shop ..............

 

[Fretters]

Did you really say that out loud?? Gotta admit, it made my mind wander for a moment ... vices indeed.

Honestly woman, what're you like.

 

[CudaChick1968]

I'm just me -- more like my dad than my mom, raised with manners (sometimes with the incentive of my choice of either dad's belt, a paint stick or a weeping willow branch that I got to pick), to respect people, to have a sense of humor and try not to take life and people too seriously, and to be honest almost to a fault. My older brother never liked to get dirty and still doesn't, dad built and raced stock cars and I was the Pit Crew for as long back as I can remember. I never got out of it ... I just got worse.

Sorry Fretters. I'll try to restrain myself.

 

[Fretters]

I'll try to restrain myself.

Don't you dare. Makes a refreshingly pleasant change to see a woman with a more warped sense of humour than I. Even I'd overlooked the amusement value of that comment, which is unlike me. Nice catch on the comment.

 

[jpickar]

I'm just me -- more like my dad than my mom, raised with manners (sometimes with the incentive of my choice of either dad's belt, a paint stick or a weeping willow branch that I got to pick), to respect people, to have a sense of humor and try not to take life and people too seriously, and to be honest almost to a fault. My older brother never liked to get dirty and still doesn't, dad built and raced stock cars and I was the Pit Crew for as long back as I can remember. I never got out of it ... I just got worse.

Sorry Fretters. I'll try to restrain myself.

LOL I don't think you need to restrain yourself. I enjoy the spice here. LOL

John

 

[Outlawmws]

Did you really say that out loud?? Gotta admit, it made my mind wander for a moment ... vices indeed.

Back to the shop ..............

Honestly woman, what're you like.

I'm just me -- more like my dad than my mom, raised with manners (sometimes with the incentive of my choice of either dad's belt, a paint stick or a weeping willow branch that I got to pick), to respect people, to have a sense of humor and try not to take life and people too seriously, and to be honest almost to a fault. My older brother never liked to get dirty and still doesn't, dad built and raced stock cars and I was the Pit Crew for as long back as I can remember. I never got out of it ... I just got worse.

Sorry Fretters. I'll try to restrain myself.

Don't you dare. Makes a refreshingly pleasant change to see a woman with a more warped sense of humour than I. Even I'd overlooked the amusement value of that comment, which is unlike me. Nice catch on the comment.

LOL I don't think you need to restrain yourself. I enjoy the spice here. LOL

John

You just said what everyone else was thinking!

 

[oldldh]

And now back to our regularly scheduled vices---

er----

Vises....

 

[Outlawmws]

Man, you can't even decide which side of the pond you'r on!

 

[CudaChick1968]

Thanks for humoring me gentlemen! I love ya'll muahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[oldldh]

Man, you can't even decide which side of the pond you'r on!

My condition comes from being married to an English Rose...


Confusion is my middle name...

 

[Filson]

My condition comes from being married to an English Rose...


Confusion is my middle name...

Larry, I've been meaning to ask you...

What the hell am I looking at in your avatar?

 

[oldldh]

What the hell am I looking at in your avatar?

That is an AN/GKA-5(V) Time Division Data Link system...

The U.S.Air Force had them at a bunch of GATR (Ground to Air Transmit/Receive) sites in the 60's and 70's...

That one was at Montauk AFS, NY...and had a AN/FRT-49 20,000 watt linear amplifier hooked up to it...

It's purpose was flying our fighters at the Russian bombers---if they ever came over...

We did a helluva job, because they never got west of East Hampton...

The photos are the tuning coil at the bottom of the 1,000,000lb antenna at Silver Creek Air Force Station, NE...and the exterior of the site...put the door on the North side...in January that was a cold exit, let me told you...the Antenna was solid copper, had an elevator, and was over 1,200 ft tall...

The nuts and bolts you can see are 2 and 3 inches in size and are made out of wood...we used to put 100,000 watts up that "pole"---

Made lightning, we did...

 

[va.grouseman]

Cuda------Check out this 71.

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motor...-for-muscle-car-auction-record-180014190.html

 

[9C1]

Larry,
You must have been at the other end of the Hughes MA1 system I used to repair. I have wondered for years how the ground controllers did it. Neat stuff for the 1960s.
Terry

 

[CudaChick1968]

Cuda------Check out this 71.

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motor...-for-muscle-car-auction-record-180014190.html

I saw that yesterday when one of the BOG guys -- the '67-'69 Barracuda Owners Group on Yahoo -- posted it. I have mixed feelings; yesss it's very beautiful and a rare beastie these days, but if it was mine I'd drive the tires right off of it, especially with that slush box. (The only reason my Cuda's still a reverse manual valve body instead of a 4-speed is because I don't have the guts to cut a bigger hole in my rust-free floor.) Televised car auctions are slowly killing my beloved hobby and making ol' Farmer Joe think that POS straight 6 with the 3 on the tree rotting in his field is worth as much as that Yenko he saw roll across the blocks last week ... it's sad.

 

[joe.striper]

Here are two vises, one I'm looking to buy, the other I'm looking to steal!

the first is a Parker 240X or M. Selling for $80. Guy selling it works two jobs, it's a pain trying to catch him at home. The second pic, the blue one, is my brothers cigar lighter. I'm definitely stealing that one!

 

[Filson]

That is an AN/GKA-5(V) Time Division Data Link system...

The U.S.Air Force had them at a bunch of GATR (Ground to Air Transmit/Receive) sites in the 60's and 70's...

That one was at Montauk AFS, NY...and had a AN/FRT-49 20,000 watt linear amplifier hooked up to it...

It's purpose was flying our fighters at the Russian bombers---if they ever came over...

We did a helluva job, because they never got west of East Hampton...

The photos are the tuning coil at the bottom of the 1,000,000lb antenna at Silver Creek Air Force Station, NE...and the exterior of the site...put the door on the North side...in January that was a cold exit, let me told you...the Antenna was solid copper, had an elevator, and was over 1,200 ft tall...

The nuts and bolts you can see are 2 and 3 inches in size and are made out of wood...we used to put 100,000 watts up that "pole"---

Made lightning, we did...

Very very cool!

Thank you for taking the time to share!

 

[McBrownie]

I saw that yesterday when one of the BOG guys -- the '67-'69 Barracuda Owners Group on Yahoo -- posted it. I have mixed feelings; yesss it's very beautiful and a rare beastie these days, but if it was mine I'd drive the tires right off of it, especially with that slush box. (The only reason my Cuda's still a reverse manual valve body instead of a 4-speed is because I don't have the guts to cut a bigger hole in my rust-free floor.) Televised car auctions are slowly killing my beloved hobby and making ol' Farmer Joe think that POS straight 6 with the 3 on the tree rotting in his field is worth as much as that Yenko he saw roll across the blocks last week ... it's sad.

A '71 with the dual headlights has always been my favorite, which probably doesn't endear me to the cuda crowd. Notice how those articles always state pre-recession numbers? I had a relative who was a wall street investor and was buying everything muscle car he could get his hands on in the 2005 timeframe because the values were climbing faster than the market. Then 2008 hit, he got divorced, sold everything for a loss, etc.. etc.. I think the car market has come back down to earth a bit, just like my relative. He is better off for it, by the way

 

[Nightshift]

A '71 with the dual headlights has always been my favorite, which probably doesn't endear me to the cuda crowd. Notice how those articles always state pre-recession numbers? I had a relative who was a wall street investor and was buying everything muscle car he could get his hands on in the 2005 timeframe because the values were climbing faster than the market. Then 2008 hit, he got divorced, sold everything for a loss, etc.. etc.. I think the car market has come back down to earth a bit, just like my relative. He is better off for it, by the way

Hey guys, this is a VICE thread. If you wanna talk muscle cars, take it off-line or knock yourself out on any of the 10,000 threads specifically for this.

Thanks in advance for letting us get back on topic. Cheers.

 

[skorpio]

Hey guys, this is a VICE thread. If you wanna talk muscle cars, take it off-line or knock yourself out on any of the 10,000 threads specifically for this.

Thanks in advance for letting us get back on topic. Cheers.

^^^Thread Police - Vice squad ...apparently.

 

[CudaChick1968]

Okayyyyyy dad, I'm going to the shop now. I'll beat my own **** on the way and won't get off topic again ................

 

[Nightshift]

A '71 with the dual headlights has always been my favorite, which probably doesn't endear me to the cuda crowd. Notice how those articles always state pre-recession numbers? I had a relative who was a wall street investor and was buying everything muscle car he could get his hands on in the 2005 timeframe because the values were climbing faster than the market. Then 2008 hit, he got divorced, sold everything for a loss, etc.. etc.. I think the car market has come back down to earth a bit, just like my relative. He is better off for it, by the way

Okayyyyyy dad, I'm going to the shop now. I'll beat my own **** on the way and won't get off topic again ................

You're so cute Cheers.

 

[KMScott]

I am saving this Chas Parker 204 for a customer, I had him send me the Static and Dynamic jaw supports because the vise did not have jaws when he purchased it and the previous owners used it with no jaws. The cast faces were trashed and making new jaws with out resurfacing them could not be done correctly. I had to resurface the base before clamping it down to my machine. The damage took almost a 1/32 to clean up. I added a 1/16 radius to the top of the jaw since I had everything aligned. The jaw faces now match up parallel and fitting the jaws now will be easier.

Quote from Cuda Chick, Televised car auctions are slowly killing my beloved hobby and making ol' Farmer Joe think that POS straight 6 with the 3 on the tree rotting in his field is worth as much as that Yenko he saw roll across the blocks last week ... it's sad.

I have one of those POS straight 6 with a 3 on the tree and it is not as purty as your 71 Cuda and defiantly not worth what a Yenko is worth but I like it and have had one since 1973. Trying to sell it and no one will give me more then 2k, so I'll keep it and admire it in my pasture.

 

[Mr. Brooks]

I am saving this Chas Parker 204 for a customer, I had him send me the Static and Dynamic jaw supports because the vise did not have jaws when he purchased it and the previous owners used it with no jaws. The cast faces were trashed and making new jaws with out resurfacing them could not be done correctly. I had to resurface the base before clamping it down to my machine. The damage took almost a 1/32 to clean up. I added a 1/16 radius to the top of the jaw since I had everything aligned. The jaw faces now match up parallel and fitting the jaws now will be easier.

I have one of those POS straight 6 with a 3 on the tree and it is not as purty as your 71 Cuda and defiantly not worth what a Yenko is worth but I like it and have had one since 1973. Trying to sell it and no one will give me more then 2k, so I'll keep it and admire it in my pasture.

Always impressed at your workmanship sir. Oh and I don't think thats a POS!!! **Trying to earn a couple KMScott brownie points for a future purchase!

 

[Clik]

Hey guys, this is a VICE thread. If you wanna talk muscle cars, take it off-line or knock yourself out on any of the 10,000 threads specifically for this.

Thanks in advance for letting us get back on topic. Cheers.

I just know there's a Cuda Green vise coming now!

Mopar stripes?

 

[jpickar]

Hey guys, this is a VICE thread. If you wanna talk muscle cars, take it off-line or knock yourself out on any of the 10,000 threads specifically for this.

Thanks in advance for letting us get back on topic. Cheers.

Cool your jets dude!

John

 

[oldldh]

daytona.craigslist.org/tls/4436191556.html

Something you don't see every day...a Spanish vise...

7" wide!!!

Interesting...I know absatively, posilutely nothing about Blue Point vises, but a really clean seven incher doesn't come along everyday, ergo...

You could use it to mash Sangria grapes!!!

 

[CudaChick1968]

PM sent to Mr. Scott about his beautiful little baby in the pictures .....

Yeahhhhhhh, of course the vise. That's the beauty I was talkin about for sure.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by oldldh.

daytona.craigslist.org/tls/4436191556.html

Something you don't see every day...a Spanish vise
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I wonder if the vise is associated with Snap-on's Blue-Point? I have a large set of Blue-Point tap-and-dies that I bought of the truck 35 years ago. I think they were Snap-on's home owner's level of tools. Looks like a nice vise, but a little pricey.

 

[Outlawmws]

Logo looks right, so I would say yes.

 

[oldldh]

For some unknown reason, "Blue Point Vises" as a SnapOn brand, never occurred to me...I knew about Blue Point tools, I didn't know about the vises


Has anyone ever seen a "Blue Point" vise, before???


It would make a helluva Sangria grape masher...


It is priced a tad high, but it's in a Pawn Shop, so bargain with them...


And being from Daytona, it would be REAL FAST VISE!!!

 

[balane]

Until you guys mentioned it I didn't even consider the possibility that it wasn't the same Blue Point as Snap On's. I can certainly see Snap On offering that as a Blue Point tool. I think it's a good looking vise too.

 

[bigcaddy]

daytona.craigslist.org/tls/4436191556.html

Something you don't see every day...a Spanish vise...

7" wide!!!

Interesting...I know absatively, posilutely nothing about Blue Point vises, but a really clean seven incher doesn't come along everyday, ergo...

You could use it to mash Sangria grapes!!!

That looks very similar to a German made Ridgid Peddinghaus vise.

 

[neophyte]

Snap-On purchased at least two or three Spanish tool manufacturers which are now part of SNA-Europe(Snap-On's European division). One of the companies was a Spanish tool manufacturer called Irimo, which I believe manufactured that vise. Snap-On still sells vises in the USA under the Blue-Point name including what looks to still be the same design, as well as a different design.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item..._ID=637200&group_ID=675959&store=&dir=catalog
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item..._ID=647537&group_ID=682746&store=&dir=catalog

There's an older post from the "Tools from the old world" thread that shows an older Irimo vise.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28952&page=99

This is a video from Youtube that shows an older Irimo Forged Vise.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/GCVsQ9dOQsI" frameborder="0"
allowfullscreen></iframe>

The Same vises also seem to be sold Under the Bahco brand, and possibly others.


http://tuotteet.etra.fi/en/g20479218/bahco-834v-screw-clamp

Retail price for a new Blue-Point forged vise is listed as $690.

 

[Carla]

Thanks for humoring me gentlemen! I love ya'll muahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

'Good on you' for providing some amusement here..........vises are useful and necessary tooling, and its 'good kharma' to be helpful with any questions about them, but after enough years, they are not exactly an exciting subject of conversation.......

cheers

Carla

 

[Carla]

I am saving this Chas Parker 204 for a customer, I had him send me the Static and Dynamic jaw supports because the vise did not have jaws when he purchased it and the previous owners used it with no jaws. The cast faces were trashed and making new jaws with out resurfacing them could not be done correctly. I had to resurface the base before clamping it down to my machine. The damage took almost a 1/32 to clean up. I added a 1/16 radius to the top of the jaw since I had everything aligned. The jaw faces now match up parallel and fitting the jaws now will be easier.

(some material redacted for convenience)

Mr Scott,

I'd just like to mention how very impressed I am with the work you are doing.

Re-making Parker vise jaws has to be a seriously 'not easy' job.....or, at the least, more than a little bit time-consuming, in that you'd have three flats and a radius with tight-tolerance relationships to one another, as well as a rather tight tolerance on the pin hole location.

I've always wondered as to what sort of tooling and fixtures the Parker works must have had, to make those as interchangeable replacement parts in production. They always seemed to me to be one of the prime examples of 'not cost-effective' design, compared to Morgan, Columbian, Rock Island, Prentiss, etc.

cheers

Carla