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[Itinerant]

I need some help disassembling a Wilton C0 that I picked up the end of February and have finally gotten around to. I've got it apart except for the threaded tube for the leadscrew. From the back of the vise I can see that it's held in place by a couple of pins but the pins aren't exposed on the exterior of the vise and so can't be driven out. The photo's not the best but you can make out the pin holes which are the shiny spots just below center in the tube. The vise was made in June 1956 if that helps. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[autopts]

I need some help disassembling a Wilton C0 that I picked up the end of February and have finally gotten around to. I've got it apart except for the threaded tube for the leadscrew. From the back of the vise I can see that it's held in place by a couple of pins but the pins aren't exposed on the exterior of the vise and so can't be driven out. The photo's not the best but you can make out the pin holes which are the shiny spots just below center in the tube. The vise was made in June 1956 if that helps. Thanks in advance for any help.

That's the new generation that holds the lock assy inside and not in a back cap like the older models. Unless the nut needs replacement, I wouldn't go there.

 

[KMScott]

I need some help disassembling a Wilton C0 that I picked up the end of February and have finally gotten around to. I've got it apart except for the threaded tube for the leadscrew. From the back of the vise I can see that it's held in place by a couple of pins but the pins aren't exposed on the exterior of the vise and so can't be driven out. The photo's not the best but you can make out the pin holes which are the shiny spots just below center in the tube. The vise was made in June 1956 if that helps. Thanks in advance for any help.

The pin is driven all the way through, good idea to mark the position of the nut so when reinstalling the nut is not 180 degrees off. Here is a great disassemble thread by DavidB http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93250

Mr Scott,

I'd just like to mention how very impressed I am with the work you are doing.

Re-making Parker vise jaws has to be a seriously 'not easy' job.....or, at the least, more than a little bit time-consuming, in that you'd have three flats and a radius with tight-tolerance relationships to one another, as well as a rather tight tolerance on the pin hole location.

I've always wondered as to what sort of tooling and fixtures the Parker works must have had, to make those as interchangeable replacement parts in production. They always seemed to me to be one of the prime examples of 'not cost-effective' design, compared to Morgan, Columbian, Rock Island, Prentiss, etc.

cheers

Carla

Thanks Carla. I try to add information to give choices on some of these old vises, that Parker 204 could have been scrapped because the jaws were lost and the faces damaged. Some day the Parkers will be a rare breed because of the difficulty and expense of replacing their jaws. I work on vises everyday in my shop and do not make money rebuilding the Parker jaws but when I get a call from a customer and he is passionate about fixing his old Parker then I try to do what I can to help. The three flats and radius you are talking about takes time form grinding and doing the final fitting so both jaws are parallel when the vise closes and all areas are backed up by steel. In my trade fitting is the fun part. Transferring the pin hole is not that difficult.

Years ago when Parker had their assembly line going the accuracy we have today was not present back then. All the Parker jaws have a number stamped on the inside and the same number on the jaw supports. The jaws were hand fit before assembly and some of the jaws were hand filed instead of having the serrations machine cut like I do. Most Parker jaws are soft, can easily be drilled, tapped and even have a new set of serrations hand filed back on if one would have the time and gumption.

Kevin

 

[Outlawmws]

'Good on you' for providing some amusement here..........vises are useful and necessary tooling, and its 'good kharma' to be helpful with any questions about them, but after enough years, they are not exactly an exciting subject of conversation.......

cheers

Carla

 

[Itinerant]

That's the new generation that holds the lock assy inside and not in a back cap like the older models. Unless the nut needs replacement, I wouldn't go there.

Thanks, I'll leave it alone.

The pin is driven all the way through, good idea to mark the position of the nut so when reinstalling the nut is not 180 degrees off. Here is a great disassemble thread by DavidB http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93250

Kevin

Thanks Kevin, I read through that thread before I got started but as I said the pins don't pass through the body of the vise.


I'll put up some pics when I get the vise painted and reassembled.

 

[jpickar]

Thanks, I'll leave it alone.





Thanks Kevin, I read through that thread before I got started but as I said the pins don't pass through the body of the vise.


I'll put up some pics when I get the vise painted and reassembled.

All the Wiltons I have seen the pins go all the way through. Most just are painted over so you can't see them is all.

John

 

[Itinerant]

All the Wiltons I have seen the pins go all the way through. Most just are painted over so you can't see them is all.

John

Yep, all the others I'd ever seen too and I thought that would be the case here. It's stripped to bare metal.

Reference Autopts reply above.

 

[McBrownie]

Until you guys mentioned it I didn't even consider the possibility that it wasn't the same Blue Point as Snap On's. I can certainly see Snap On offering that as a Blue Point tool. I think it's a good looking vise too.

Along the Spanish/French border from Galicia to Catalonia had mining and foundries though the 1980's. Things started moving to China in the 1990's just like the states. It's probably a decent quality vise, but has a bit of a high price. Maybe our UK and NL members can chime in with more info.

 

[sanfordia]

What years did Wilton manufacture the 1760 without putting their name on the vise?
I have a 1760 vise recovered from autoshop started in the 1920s. How old is my 1760? It does not have the Wilton name printed on it (or any date stamped on the bottom), but it does have the following numbers cast in:

• 1760 on the body
• 121027 on the body
• 121033 on the jaw
• a number 3 on the jaw, underneath the 121033
• some kind of measuring cup decal on the side of the body
• 101198 on the bottom of the base

 

[BJ42LX]

How old is my 1760?

Sanfordia,

Remove the dynamic jaw - just unscrew it all the way out.

Turn it over and wipe off the rectangular key that's riveted to the round suport.

There will be three numbers stamped into the key like 7 95. There's your answer right there!

 

[sanfordia]

Sanfordia,

Remove the dynamic jaw - just unscrew it all the way out.

Turn it over and wipe off the rectangular key that's riveted to the round suport.

There will be three numbers stamped into the key like 7 95. There's your answer right there!

I checked that, but it doesn't seem to have anything stamped on it. However, I have since identified another forum post of someone with the same vise who believes in was manufactured in the 1970s or 1980s. Weird that they would stop putting their name on the product!

 

[Jan-Sietze]

Restoration progress Paramo No6 :

 

[drivesitfar]

Jan:awesome way to make a handle for your vice. that stump needs a nice old Peter Wright anvil mounted on it doesn't it?

Sanfordia:Wilton made many of those vises for companies such as Snap On, John Deere and many others. also they had their own stickers to put Wilton on the sides of them too. it's a good vise and probably a 1980's built one and there are small little pipe jaws missing on yours that you can still buy new if you need them. is that a crack or missing piece of cast at the front of your static jaw down where the slide goes?

Cuda:since we go off subject all the time i'm happy you are a member here and would love to see a powder coated Reed or your Cuda full size instead of in your small Avitar if that is yours. and the comments are rated here too and you are doing fine and much better than the F bombs that happen to get posted by other members that should be edited out for our younger members. as far as i know you don't need to be even a teenager to read these posts or even join GJ.

Speaking of little guys i have this one riding around in my Honda and trying to find a place to mount it. not sure of the brand, but it works like any good vise should and the jaws are i think 1.5 inches wide. any ideas to the maker? Stanley or ???

 

[balane]

Here's an inexpensive source of Wilton Tradesman pipe jaws if you need a set.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILTON-2904200-Pipe-Jaws-PK-2-/321339173107

Jan, 100% genius on using an axle shaft for a handle!!

 

[oldldh]

Jan---

If anyone bends that handle---

Shoot him!!!

Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!

 

[454ragtop]

DIF, definitely looks like a Stanley.
Inspect the top of the slide very carefully, maybe with magnification, usually stamped there.
Jim

 

[Jan-Sietze]

Nice comments, thanks for that

 

[Filson]

DIF - Very cool little vise there bud! Why not mount it where it is?

 

[oldldh]

DIF - Very cool little vise there bud! Why not mount it where it is?

He could nail it down!!!

or superglue it...

 

[balane]

with some soft jaws it would make an excellent smart phone holder.

 

[94blu1500]

Picked up my first vise today at the scrap yard. 25 bucks brought it home where I cut the custom mount off, cleaned it up some, and lubricated the slide.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

drivesitfar, It looks like a Stanley, just no clamp mount like you see most often. Check out the top of the slide and I'll bet you find the faint stamp.
When I got this one another guy was looking at it but didn't want a no name vise. I closed it all the way and could see part of the Stanley stamp on top.
I have not seen a small one with 1 1/2" replaceable jaws like this has.

 

[va.grouseman]

Drivesit-------Jan-Sietze says (''Never trust a man without a vise")
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Make it a hood ornament and show the world what kind of man you are. Make a statement.

 

[Nightshift]

Jan---If anyone bends that handle---

Just a word of caution guys on vice handles. There's nothing wrong with making a super-strong and/or longer handle for your vice, but keep in mind that well made vices (I'm not speaking of asian variety here) utilize handles "soft enough" to bend well before the breaking point of those cast iron jaws. So if you make one much stronger than OEM, and you lean on it past it's design point, you are gonna ruin your vice ... and probably break some knuckles when it happens. This is also why I never advocate sticking a piece of pipe on the end of your handle for added leverage ... you can exceed the breaking point of the jaws.

So while I totally understand why one prefers a longer, stronger handle than what originally came with the vice, just be careful not to reef on it exceedingly hard.

If you put a handle like Jan made on an asian vice, you're gonna need another vice real soon. At least you'll have a handle ready for the second one

Cheers, Bill

 

[drivesitfar]

Getridaone:you have killer vise **** and thanks for again sharing one of your little gems.

Oldie, Filson and Balane:great ideas all. i do have some 6 inch wood screws that maybe could be used to anchor that little guy to my dash. i think i'll send an email to Honda because they are always making improvements that owner's request. I need a mounting pad.

454: now name anywhere, but i have to tell you the little guy move in and out as well as my Wilton Baby Bullet.

Va:To make a real statement I've already acquired the bolts to mount a nice 8 inch vise to the hood and only issue I have is finding one that isn't chained or MIA. all i have is a little 6.25 incher so the search continues.

Nightshift:awesome post and so very true.

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

Sanfordia:Wilton made many of those vises for companies such as Snap On, John Deere and many others. also they had their own stickers to put Wilton on the sides of them too.

I think autopts might have replacement Wilton stickers if you want to shoot him a PM.

 

[Fretters]

all i have is a little 6.25 incher so the search continues.

I blame Cudachick for setting this train of thought off....

 

[drivesitfar]

sorry for the horrible pictures of this awesome little Prentiss 19.5 vise i picked up today. I have an identical version of the same vise that has been soaking in vinegar for a couple weeks that sat in the rain for maybe 80 years and another identical vise that might not have been used in 80 years.

Fretters:I'm always looking for a huge vise so no need to issue a warning to a member of the vise squad. I really don't care which 300 pound Reed or Prentiss vise it is as opposed to some that have a specific vice. i just want one.

 

[Wingnut65]

Finally, I get to contribute here... Picked up this vintage 3-1/2" Craftsman from my Dad's vacation home. It probably came from my Grandfather's house in Ohio when we cleaned it out in 1985. I have no clue to the age or model number. Its been inside its whole life, so clean-up is really all it will need. Can't wait to mount it and start using a family heirloom







Any ideas on the age or model number?

 

[exmaxima1]

Finally, I get to contribute here... Picked up this vintage 3-1/2" Craftsman from my Dad's vacation home.
Any ideas on the age or model number?

My Dad had the same vise when I was growing up. And since I was born in 1954, that would date the vise as early 50's

 

[LG63]

I checked that, but it doesn't seem to have anything stamped on it. However, I have since identified another forum post of someone with the same vise who believes in was manufactured in the 1970s or 1980s. Weird that they would stop putting their name on the product!

Perhaps it was sold with a Snap-On badge? I've seen them elsewhere in this thread.

 

[Provincial]

Finally, I get to contribute here... Picked up this vintage 3-1/2" Craftsman from my Dad's vacation home. It probably came from my Grandfather's house in Ohio when we cleaned it out in 1985. I have no clue to the age or model number. Its been inside its whole life, so clean-up is really all it will need. Can't wait to mount it and start using a family heirloom







Any ideas on the age or model number?

The model number is stamped on the plate that holds the screw into the dynamic jaw.

 

[Wingnut65]

My Dad had the same vise when I was growing up. And since I was born in 1954, that would date the vise as early 50's

Makes sense. Parents got married in 1950 and oldest brother came along in 1954.

The model number is stamped on the plate that holds the screw into the dynamic jaw.

Found it! Model 5176!

Where can I find the date code stamp?

 

[AndrewH]

Here's a sneak peek of the latest Wilton I've been working on. I'm just waiting to order new jaw pads and new swivel lock downs from Kevin.

Here's what it looked like when I bought it from zoomieport:

And here's how it looks now:

 

[Filson]

Oldie, Filson and Balane:great ideas all. i do have some 6 inch wood screws that maybe could be used to anchor that little guy to my dash. i think i'll send an email to Honda because they are always making improvements that owner's request. I need a mounting pad.

Now your talking!

 

[Filson]

I sold 7 of my vises today at our garage sale. While talking to an old man who was raised in my same small hometown over by Seattle, he told me he has tons of "old hand tools and stuff" that he thinks "it's time to pass on to someone younger". I told him I'd certainly be interested to come check it out, and he was more than happy to give me his info. So, hopefully I'll find a little honey hole of treasures to buy/trade. =)

 

[Outlawmws]

Finally, I get to contribute here... Picked up this vintage 3-1/2" Craftsman from my Dad's vacation home. It probably came from my Grandfather's house in Ohio when we cleaned it out in 1985. I have no clue to the age or model number. Its been inside its whole life, so clean-up is really all it will need. Can't wait to mount it and start using a family heirloom







Any ideas on the age or model number?

Take a look in this thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2308593

 

[Wingnut65]

Take a look in this thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2308593

Thanks, Outlaw. I hadn't ventured down that thread yet.

From the catalog pages, it looks like this model was available from around 1948 to around 1957 with prices from $11.75 to $18.80.

I love how the polished steel looks and may just want to restore mine.

 

[va.grouseman]

Here's a couple of C. P. 2000s.





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The bigger of the three is a C. P. 972 1/2. I posted it back on page 459. I just through it in for size reference. The 972 weighs 17 lbs. with 2 1/2 inch jaws, and the 2000s weigh 7.6 lbs. with 2 1/4 inch jaws.

BigCaddy would throw these back, but these are what I'm going to use for bait to snag that 978 that's just lurking out there somewhere with my name on it.

 

[CalsXS2]

I ran across a Morgan 145. That's all it says on it on the one side I could see. No mention of Chicago. Any info would be appreciated.

I was going to off the guy $25 and see if he takes it. What's it worth incase I was t to sell it. Thanks