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They should update vBulletin to have the wiki function (like what slickdeals has) so there's a section that's update-able by everyone, then the burden of updating doesn't all fall upon the original poster.
 

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BLUEPOINT magnetic led lights bat/rechargeable made by ullman
BLUEPOINT XL mini picks made by ullman
almost anything labeled made in sweeden on the snapon truck made by bahco
STANLEY owns Mac and PROTO so I'm seeing allot of stuff on the MAC truck identical to new PROTO stuff i.e. their new impacts
 

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Hell yea cool thread, I found snap on industrial uk. My area manager kevin morris Is looking after me I ordered my williams 3/4 ratchet handle less than £30.0 and just ordered Williams B-52EHLA. Cant wait for the delivery also ordered some other williams bits, screw drivers and sae spanners
 

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You should start a separate thread just for MATCO since their whole comp[any was designed around distributing all tools made under the Danaher co. From what Ive been told MATCO has no plant for making any of its own tools just a rebadging facility! lol
 

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You should start a separate thread just for MATCO since their whole comp[any was designed around distributing all tools made under the Danaher co. From what Ive been told MATCO has no plant for making any of its own tools just a rebadging facility! lol

This is nothing new and been that way since MATCO opened for business. The only thing Matco makes itself are their tool boxes (not all carts). They source from several manufacturers such as: OTC, Kabo, Lisle, Lang, Knipex, Witte, Trusty Cook, Mityvac, SE Tools, Apex, and others.
 

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This thread is BS. Just because two tools look alike, doesn't mean they are identical. It only means someone in China bought a Snap On product and copied it. How do we know if the tolerances are the same, the quality of the steel used is the same, the heat treating process, etc? These are all things that effect the function of the tool.

Some people believe that the only difference between brands (Jet, Grizzly, HF etc) of woodworking or metal working machinery is the paint color and inspections. In this case, multiple brands may have come off the same manufacturing line, but most people don't feel these brands function identically. The better made versions, with better fitting parts are better.

I don't know if this is the case with Snap On and Williams or not. I would say that if a Williams ratchet uses Snap On guts and the heads are close to the same size, then it is functionally identical. But I would never suggest wrenches or sockets are identical just because they look alike. The difference being, the function of a socket has to do with it's strength and tolerances- two things we can't see.

There are some true equivalents, where Snap On has rebadged someone else's item. Rethreader kits, various Bahco items, rechargeable lights, etc etc. This thread should focus on these items, not "visually similar".

If I were a Snap On employee in marketing, I'd be all over this forum. So much BS and misinformation about their products. (Hammers made by Trusty cook for example). People find these threads on Google and think this rubbish is true.
 

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This thread is BS. Just because two tools look alike, doesn't mean they are identical. It only means someone in China bought a Snap On product and copied it. How do we know if the tolerances are the same, the quality of the steel used is the same, the heat treating process, etc? These are all things that effect the function of the tool.
Nothing on here is a Chinese knockoff, just re-branding, from the same factory in the same country. No one is claiming that the Taiwan made Duralast ratchets that are made to look like Snap-On are the same.
I don't know if this is the case with Snap On and Williams or not. I would say that if a Williams ratchet uses Snap On guts and the heads are close to the same size, then it is functionally identical. But I would never suggest wrenches or sockets are identical just because they look alike. The difference being, the function of a socket has to do with it's strength and tolerances- two things we can't see.

There are some true equivalents, where Snap On has rebadged someone else's item. Rethreader kits, various Bahco items, rechargeable lights, etc etc. This thread should focus on these items, not "visually similar".
Please do some actual research before jumping into a thread and calling it "BS". Snap-On owns Williams and Bahco, and do re-brand their products accordingly (hence the Made in Spain Snap-On branded pliers wrench).

Williams sealed head ratchets (as well as the hard handled screwdrivers) are older model Snap-On. Here's a nice comparison:
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=1878.0

I bought a set of new Williams sockets that had a Snap-On socket on the rail with them. The Snap-On fill in sockets I bought are also identical to the USA Williams. The same goes for the Blue Point sockets I bought to fill in my Taiwan Williams set.

It's all just business, and all tool brands do it (some better than others). No need for people to get angry or defensive.
 

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This thread is BS. Just because two tools look alike, doesn't mean they are identical. It only means someone in China bought a Snap On product and copied it. How do we know if the tolerances are the same, the quality of the steel used is the same, the heat treating process, etc? These are all things that effect the function of the tool.

Some people believe that the only difference between brands (Jet, Grizzly, HF etc) of woodworking or metal working machinery is the paint color and inspections. In this case, multiple brands may have come off the same manufacturing line, but most people don't feel these brands function identically. The better made versions, with better fitting parts are better.

I don't know if this is the case with Snap On and Williams or not. I would say that if a Williams ratchet uses Snap On guts and the heads are close to the same size, then it is functionally identical. But I would never suggest wrenches or sockets are identical just because they look alike. The difference being, the function of a socket has to do with it's strength and tolerances- two things we can't see.

There are some true equivalents, where Snap On has rebadged someone else's item. Rethreader kits, various Bahco items, rechargeable lights, etc etc. This thread should focus on these items, not "visually similar".

If I were a Snap On employee in marketing, I'd be all over this forum. So much BS and misinformation about their products. (Hammers made by Trusty cook for example). People find these threads on Google and think this rubbish is true.

Actually..... they ARE made by Trusty Cook. Snap On does re badge many of their tools.

Hell, go to trust cook's website, and they say it right there! (http://www.trustycook.com/hammers.php) Snap On sells our products under their label, along with Armstrong, SK, Matco, Cornwell, CAT and Estwing.

You sound more like a pissed off Snap On fanboy who found out that in some cases (hammers, interchangeable tip snap ring pliers, ratchets) you can get the same product for a 1/3 of the cost (or less!) and also just learned that snap on doesn't make every tool themselves from unobtainium in the forge of the gods.

On the bright side, if you buy the snap on version and not the trusty cook version, you do get a different handle (lol) attached to the same ol' head.
 

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This thread is BS. Just because two tools look alike, doesn't mean they are identical. It only means someone in China bought a Snap On product and copied it.
That's exactly the difference between an equivalent tool sold under a different name, and an outright knockoff.

As long as the folks posting in this thread understand the difference between equivalent and knockoff, this thread is useful. If we get a bunch of postings for Chinese **** masquerading as quality tools, this thread is deceptive and useless.

At any rate, it's been covered previously.
 

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Please do some actual research before jumping into a thread and calling it "BS". Snap-On owns Williams and Bahco, and do re-brand their products accordingly (hence the Made in Spain Snap-On branded pliers wrench).

Sorry. I shouldn't have been so rude. All I'm saying is, I don't see any evidence of the functional equivalency of these tools. Some are true rebadges, I agree. But others, screwdrivers, wrenches, sockets, I've seen no metallurgical reports. You cannot look at a socket and decide it is identical to another maker's.

Toyota owns Lexus, but their vehicles are very different. And while I agree it makes sense to buy one spec of steel, and process it one way, it also makes sense to not compete your products against each other. Not many companies do.

So, apologies. Not a wasted effort to highlight similarities. This thread isn't BS; it's thought provoking. But nor is it what it's title suggests, in my opinion.
 

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Sorry. I shouldn't have been so rude. All I'm saying is, I don't see any evidence of the functional equivalency of these tools. Some are true rebadges, I agree. But others, screwdrivers, wrenches, sockets, I've seen no metallurgical reports. You cannot look at a socket and decide it is identical to another maker's.

I assume you are talking about snap on and William's? Snap on owns williams, and theyre made in the same place. In most cases, when snap on updated a design they gave the previous design to williams. When snap on went to dual 80, they badged their 36 tooth ratchet as williams. When they went to instinct screwdriver handles, williams got the old black handle design. Williams and snap on bead blow hammers are very similar except color.

I own both williams and snap on. I think if you did as well you could clearly see that the quality is there in either brand and thats the important thing. No they arnt identical but nobody said they had to be.
 

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Many threads here on garagejournal on this subject. Consensus seems to be that the two companies share designs and possibly more (parts, molds for handles etc?). But there are enough differences to say with certainty that the difference isn't JUST the name stamped on. This tells us they are not made on the same production line. Likely more like Ford and Mercury; Sharing some components, possibly tooling if made in same shop, etc, but could easily be made from different materials, to different QA specs etc. And this seems to be the consensus here with reports of Williams screwdriver tips not quite as nice as Snap On etc.

25 years in industrial manufacturing tells me just cause it's made by the same company and even in the same plant doesn't mean its an identical product. I also know that to reduce the cost of a manufactured item, you really need to eliminate manufacturing steps. Loosening manufacturing tolerances often isn't sufficient to deliver a significant cost savings. The other way is to buy cheaper materials.

I know many shade tree mechanics like myself complain about SO prices, and service from SO Truck drivers etc (I've had good experiences with my local rep). Is it possible Williams is Snap Ons answer for people like us? Same great SO quality, but made cosmetically cheaper, no cutting edge technology, fewer models, no truck warranty support, but still COO USA???? I'm willing to accept that if true. But I am not willing to look at two tools side by side and say with certainty they are "equivalent". In my mind equivalent means functionally equivalent, not similar looking.

I have put in a technical query to Snap On and will report back with their answer.

P.S. Even products like the tech wrench that are clearly made by another company (wholly owned or not) could be different from that OEMs other products.
 
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I assume you are talking about snap on and William's? Snap on owns williams, and theyre made in the same place. In most cases, when snap on updated a design they gave the previous design to williams. When snap on went to dual 80, they badged their 36 tooth ratchet as williams. When they went to instinct screwdriver handles, williams got the old black handle design. Williams and snap on bead blow hammers are very similar except color.

I own both williams and snap on. I think if you did as well you could clearly see that the quality is there in either brand and thats the important thing. No they arnt identical but nobody said they had to be.

Same thing with snapon/ bluepoint, snapon has created new models and bluepoint gets the old design and makes them in Taiwan. I.E. their air hammers and some of their 3/8-1/2 impacts
 

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Same thing with snapon/ bluepoint, snapon has created new models and bluepoint gets the old design and makes them in Taiwan. I.E. their air hammers and some of their 3/8-1/2 impacts

Speaking of that, a lot of bluepoint stuff is identical to the williams cheaper line.

It seems to me williams is still high quality, but aimed more towards industrial vs snap on automotive. My williams wrenches are massive, i use them for car work but the bulk of them gets in the way sometimes. They look to me like their made for industrial duty.

Maybe the screwdriver blades are snap on blemishes? For the lesser cost maybe they figure it can be a little uglier.

I know their deadblows are similar, but the snap on has a soft rubber molded onto the handle where the williams is all hard plastic. Not a deal breaker, it is much cheaper.
 

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Many uivalent means functionally equivalent, not similar looking. """..............

I have put in a technical query to Snap On and will report back with their answer.

P.S. Even products like the tech wrench that are clearly made by another company (wholly owned or not) could be different from that OEMs other products.



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Dumb question: does Snap On make their own tools in their own factories any more?

Perhaps their objective is to buyout tool companies or merely in the business of re-badging tools?

:eek:
 

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Dumb question: does Snap On make their own tools in their own factories any more?

Perhaps their objective is to buyout tool companies or merely in the business of re-badging tools?

:eek:


Yes they make a lot of their own tools. The thing is tho with them being a tool truck company and never wanting the customer to step foot in another truck or store; they litteraly try to offer everything possible. To do that they must sub different things out to other manufactures.


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submariner,

We are in receipt of your questions concerning Snap-on tools. To clarify: Snap-on tools are forged in the heavens by Buxom metal mistresses and delivered to you mere mortals by the sons of Pegasus (disguised as tool trucks).

Concerning your inquiry about tool company buyouts and or re-badging of tools, Rest assured Snap-on is probably one of the least guilty of companies doing this. Bottom line once we put our name on it, the tool has the full support of the Snap-on brand. That is something of great importance to professional tool users.

Cheers,

Snap-on Tools
 

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don't know the oem of this set but they are sold on differnt tool trucks mac and matco and can be had for about 15 to 20 bucks cheeper online
Ullman makes those picks, and the soft grip versions sold under their own name, as well as Craftsman, Matco and MAC.
 
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Could anyone tell me if Mayhew makes the Lady Slipper pry bars for Snap On? A quick call placed to Mayhew earlier confirmed that they do make rolling pry bars for Snap On, but unclear about the Lady Slippers.......Specifically interested in the ones found in Snap On set PBS704. Thanks!
 
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M.K. Morse makes the holesaws, holesaw sets, holesaw arbors and cutoff wheel arbors for Matco. They may make their hacksaw blades and recip blades also but I cannot 100% confirm that.
Source: I used to work there.

Wright tool makes a some (perhaps most) of Matco's sockets.
 

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I've read through this and other threads, but can't find an answer...... I am hoping for some help here.

How do these stand up?

ATD 12 piece set
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Are they a Tool Truck Equiv?

Who makes them?

Thanks.....

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I've read through this and other threads, but can't find an answer...... I am hoping for some help here.

How do these stand up?

ATD 12 piece set
ATD-915.jpg


Are they a Tool Truck Equiv?

Who makes them?

Thanks…..
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Stride makes about all the USA retaining ring pliers sets you'll find.

You didn't read very hard :)
 

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I've read through this and other threads, but can't find an answer...... I am hoping for some help here.

How do these stand up?

ATD 12 piece set
ATD-915.jpg


Are they a Tool Truck Equiv?

Who makes them?

Thanks.....

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Stride makes about all the USA retaining ring pliers sets you'll find.

You didn't read very hard :)

"The pot is calling the kettle black".......
My Reading Proficiency, is fine.......
I wish that I could say "thanks" for your fruitless reply. :)

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