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espyking83

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Let me start off by saying that it's not a tool quality issue, they make world class tools and are sold at prices that the average home do-it-yourself'er can justify buying. I typically do not choose my tools based on a preferred brand, a great tool is a great tool-regardless of manufacturer. But I would be lying if I said I was anything but a Proto/Plomb fanboy. My box is predominantly Proto, and has been for a while now. I had anticipated on keeping it that way until I retired as a mechanic, or until arthritis kicked in and withered me up like a dead tree prematurely. Anyhoo, let me get on with the issue at hand, my dealings with a Proto warranty item(s) and a hell of a game of single player phone tag.


Almost a month ago now I sent in a 3/8" drive ratchet that had some teeth wear, it also had some of the black oxide finish start coming off and rust issues. I also sent the ratcheting mechanism in a flex head ratchet that was laying in the back of my ratchet drawer. Keep in mind that these were two separate packages, both of which had a note by me explaining why I am sending them back, as well as a respectful request for them to notify me when the items were shipped. Well, after about 1 week with no call, email, or package, I call back and ask them if there were any issues, and it turns out they had lost my ratchet and apparently had no plans on contacting me about the issue. So I'm like: hey, **** happens. A few days is really no big deal. When I was on the phone I asked if they had received my other package (the ratcheting mechanism for the other ratchet), and they said "yes, we'll be sending that out in the morning with your replacement ratchet." So I'm pretty happy at this point, a few minor set backs, but nothing major....

So a week goes by and I'm expecting my ratchet daily, not sure if you guys get this excited over tools, but for me it's like Christmas when I open my mailbox and I have a package loaded with tools. Kind of a bummer, probably the fault of UPS, but they didnt email me with a tracking number, so I didnt want to call UPS like an ******* and ask them if they had seen any packages from GA. So I decide to wait a few more days. Not by choice though. Limited options and whatnot.

After waiting a total of 11 business days after I had last talked to customer service, I decide to call them again and attempt to find out what is going on. I call them up, only a 3 minute wait time, score (?). The lady said that there were some issues and they sent both of them out yesterday (WTF). So like any 31 year old man attempting to stay calm, I keep quiet and simulate throwing my phone across the hangar. All in all, I was pretty composed. My ratchet would be here in a few more days and I would lie to myself in saying it was worth the wait........



8 business days later (this morning), I'm blowing my ******* top. At this point I'm considering dropping a steamer in a box and mailing it to them. But I take the Fred Savage way out, and call them up with a fake smile on my face and politely ask them where my ratchet is. The woman said that the black oxide ratchet is on back order, there was another mix-up (I'll say), but my ratcheting mechanism should be arriving in the mail today. So it goes. After all this, I asked non-dickishly to speak with a manager, where it would later be decided that they would send me a chrome ratchet in-lieu of the black oxide one that's on back order. A loss on my side, but all I want now is an actual ratchet in my hands to make sure that I get compensated in some way. I walk away from the phone call like a defeated man. I had been jostled around for the past few weeks and I wont have anything to show for it but a missing tool in a my shadow board and a short essay of me crying on an internet forum.


It put me in a ****** mood all day. Wish I can say otherwise but it's the truth. Usually things don't bother me, but as a mechanic my tools are very imprtant to me. That in conjunction with awful customer service where they lie to you just to get you off the phone has my balloon knot tight enough to pack a bearing with grease. My mood stayed bad until I got home and checked my mail. FINALLY! Something from Proto. Guess what it was? A RATCHETING MECHANISM! But wait.... It's for a 1/2" drive. Not for the 3/8" mechanism I sent in....


So I'm guessing at this point, a lot of you will post things like "get over it", or "1st world problems", but I don't care. I'm venting. And you read my damned thread to the end if you're reading this. So in closing, Proto makes really good tools, but I can't say they are comparable to Snap On as a whole any more. Not saying I've never had to replace a bad tool, but I have NEVER been lied to or given the run-around by them. If I walk in the truck with a tool on a Friday, odds are that I'm walking back off the truck with a replacement tool or credit. I've never even had to wait a week for an order. The one time they screwed up with my order they over-nighted a replacement ratcheting screw driver. That is customer service.


The End.
 
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Number one reason I like tool trucks, I deal face to face and the problem is sovled in minutes. I wish I knew of a good brick and mortar store locally that carried a good selection of industrial brands. I'm not really interested in proto, but a wright store would be nice. Other then a few purchases from Epstein's, I have no interest buying tools online.
 

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I have never purchased a tool based on warranty. It is easier to assume that when it breaks time to replace it with something better. If I got a bunch of use out of it there are no tears, if I got years of service out of that tool I'll go try to find another equal.

Where I'm at any tool truck is a fantasy but good industrial Urrea and several other brands of pro-homeowner tools are readily available. Not to forget a good market of used older tools.

I would find it hard to trust any warranty except for faults new from the package, more a quality guarantee I guess. After that its probably going to be my fault when it breaks anyway.
 

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I sold off all my Proto tools after trying to get them to send me a repair kit for a 30 year old ratchet. The sort story is they said that it was not warrantied because of its age. I have never had that problem with Snap-On or Sears for that matter.
 

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One of the reasons I pony up and pay a little more for Mac and SO.

I've mailed tools to Mac for warranty. Total turn around time has been no more than 10 business days.
 

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Bang their wives and then go Rambo on the men. That'll teach them.
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In my oilfield neck of the woods, proto is EVERYWHERE. Some places will send in your warranty return and give you a new proto replacement about a month later...and some like grainger will pull up your order and see if you bought it at their location...while the small industrial suppliers with good down to earth working guys will simply reach back on the shelf and hand you a new one. I've worked with one guy that had to keep buying the replacement rebuilt kits for his proto 1/2" drive ratchet cause it was not a warranty item. I keep buying proto for the time being, but if I have to mail in a tool I need, then Proto is not the line of tools for me cause wrenching for living means you need the tool NOW.
 

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my dad gave me an older set of Proto 1/4 drive torx bit sockets and they pretty much all need replacement tips. Tips only aren't shown on their website, and they are all held in the sockets with roll pins.

I emailed them 2 times, once 2 wks ago and again 1 wk ago, about replacements. No reply yet (I actually did receive automated mailers "Thank you for emailing Stanley Proto" both times but no REAL reply). Not a big rush, I don't use them now, although I would probably take them to work and use them if they weren't boogered up.
 

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I have never purchased a tool based on warranty. It is easier to assume that when it breaks time to replace it with something better. If I got a bunch of use out of it there are no tears, if I got years of service out of that tool I'll go try to find another equal.

Where I'm at any tool truck is a fantasy but good industrial Urrea and several other brands of pro-homeowner tools are readily available. Not to forget a good market of used older tools.

I would find it hard to trust any warranty except for faults new from the package, more a quality guarantee I guess. After that its probably going to be my fault when it breaks anyway.

If you are buying a brand like proto, you are expecting the tool to out last you. There is not better then proto to buy if it fails. I don't buy tools with the plan to break them, but if the manufacturer advertise a lifetime warranty, I want my tool replaced.
 

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IDK about proto but I called stanley b/c I broke a hex socket bit, guy on the phone said it would be mailed right away. 2 days later UPS was at my door.
 

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I can second the Stanley customer service, called cause the screwdriver bit for their 6 in 1 broke while I was using it...and I had a brand new one on the mail 3 or 4 days later
 

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I sold off all my Proto tools after trying to get them to send me a repair kit for a 30 year old ratchet. The sort story is they said that it was not warrantied because of its age. I have never had that problem with Snap-On or Sears for that matter.

Different warranty T's and C's. Why is a 30 year old ratchet that wears out a "defect in material or workmanship"?

So you sold off all your tools because your 30 year old worn out ratchet wasn't replaced. Truly Unbelievable!!

Number one reason I like tool trucks, I deal face to face and the problem is sovled in minutes.

Until you get a bad driver. Tool truck warrantees are only as good as the drivers opinion of what they should warranty.
 
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Get a Wright. I had a spring break in a ratchet and less than 5 minutes on the phone they had a rebuild kit on the way. Didn't play 20 questions about how it broke, when and where I bought it, etc.. Just good service.
 

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I have never purchased a tool based on warranty. It is easier to assume that when it breaks time to replace it with something better. If I got a bunch of use out of it there are no tears, if I got years of service out of that tool I'll go try to find another equal.

In general, I feel the same way except when it comes to ratchets. My ratchets are all Snap On Dual 80's as I'm confident I can warranty or buy repair kits for the next 20 years. As far as other tools go, I hardly ever try to warranty them as usually the failure is a result of my misuse.
 

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espyking83

Is writing a concise, relatively low-key Email to Proto Customer Service explaining your situation a good idea? I.e., your dissatisfaction with the Customer Service issues. Not the quality of Proto's tools. If I were Proto management, I would want to know about issues like these. I'm sure they realize that a decent percentage of their clientele are people who make a living with tools.

At a minimum, this might provide you with personal satisfaction.
 

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I emailed them 2 times, once 2 wks ago and again 1 wk ago, about replacements. No reply yet (I actually did receive automated mailers "Thank you for emailing Stanley Proto" both times but no REAL reply). Not a big rush, I don't use them now, although I would probably take them to work and use them if they weren't boogered up.

Back probably about 5-6 months ago I called Proto asking for the Proto and Blackhawk catalogs. I first put in a request with their e-mail/inquiry system, but after three weeks of no response and two e-mail attempts I gave them a phone call instead. The very nice lady on the other end told me they do not really check the e-mail system anymore (for whatever reason) and it is best to just call the 1-800 number.

With that said, Proto does state on their website for warranties to go through a distributor. I know some think we shouldn't buy based on warranty, but sometimes you do get a bad batch/tool and the warranty can come in handy. Now I do not have a distributor near me; closest one is about 100 miles away in Tucson; so Proto might not be my first choice. But it seems people are having success with mailing items to Proto directly, so it may work out.

Now, I have had great conversations with Wright Tools and their CS told me if I do not have a distributor near me (and I do not, again in Tucson) to give them a ring and they will take care of me. That instills great confidence in me to buy Wright Tools...and its probably all thanks to FoxRacing for posting all that Wright Tool goodness.:drool:
 

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espyking83

Is writing a concise, relatively low-key Email to Proto Customer Service explaining your situation a good idea? I.e., your dissatisfaction with the Customer Service issues. Not the quality of Proto's tools. If I were Proto management, I would want to know about issues like these. I'm sure they realize that a decent percentage of their clientele are people who make a living with tools.

At a minimum, this might provide you with personal satisfaction.

+1 ^^^
 
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I have had to stand my ground with Proto in order to get some 50 year old tools warrantied but i won't allow some rep to brush me off. I have yet to break a Proto tool but have had an issue with the chrome flaking on a dozen or so wrenches. I think they are just watching their bottom line, trying to weed out the scammers and ebay resellers. When i told them i could provide receipts for some of tools i purchased over the past 35 years, if needed, they sure got easier to talk to.
 

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Back probably about 5-6 months ago I called Proto asking for the Proto and Blackhawk catalogs. I first put in a request with their e-mail/inquiry system, but after three weeks of no response and two e-mail attempts I gave them a phone call instead. The very nice lady on the other end told me they do not really check the e-mail system anymore (for whatever reason) and it is best to just call the 1-800 number.

With that said, Proto does state on their website for warranties to go through a distributor. I know some think we shouldn't buy based on warranty, but sometimes you do get a bad batch/tool and the warranty can come in handy. Now I do not have a distributor near me; closest one is about 100 miles away in Tucson; so Proto might not be my first choice. But it seems people are having success with mailing items to Proto directly, so it may work out.

Now, I have had great conversations with Wright Tools and their CS told me if I do not have a distributor near me (and I do not, again in Tucson) to give them a ring and they will take care of me. That instills great confidence in me to buy Wright Tools...and its probably all thanks to FoxRacing for posting all that Wright Tool goodness.:drool:

I had a Proto "Professional" ratchet warrantied through a dealer ("heavy" hardware store) with no problem. I called Proto to ask about a rebuild kit, as the ratchet was slipping. They said they needed me to take it to the dealer, and gave me the address. They said the dealer may have the kit in stock, but couldn't promise it. The guy there said there's no such thing, that it needed to be sent in, and I would have to pay shipping one way. A week later I had a new ratchet in hand. It seems overkill to replace the entire thing, but no complaints here. :thumbup:
 

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I've heard really good and really bad stories about Proto warranty claims (regular Stanley, too). Guess it's all in who you get on the phone. Seems like you just got a string of bad ones.

I still love them. I've never had a Proto tool break on me.
 

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I sent a socket in, never talked to anyone, got a new one back in less than two weeks.

Very happy.
 

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Different warranty T's and C's. Why is a 30 year old ratchet that wears out a "defect in material or workmanship"?

So you sold off all your tools because your 30 year old worn out ratchet wasn't replaced. Truly Unbelievable!!



Until you get a bad driver. Tool truck warrantees are only as good as the drivers opinion of what they should warranty.

I have several set of tools the Proto was what I used at home. After I retired I brought home my work tools which are Snap On so getting rid of a set of tools that wont be warranted because they are to old was a no brainer and by the way not warranting any socket, ratchet or wrench because its old is what is truly unbelievable and by the way Im the original owner of said Proto tools. But hey thats just my opinion.
 

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I have a problem with a small 1/4" set that came with a flex extension. I called to inquire about a replacement because the first time I used it the extension "Bird-Caged".

These flex extension kinda look like wire rope and are constructed with an outer layer twisted one direction and interior twisted the opposite direction. When it "Bird-Caged" it can only mean one thing, it was not properly crimped on one end or the other. Poor workmanship...

Back to the story of contacting them, I called, they don't have a part number for the single item, and they wanted me to send the whole set back. I viewed this as a recipe for disaster. What? No Part Number??? Every other company out there worth mentioning has a part number for everything including the case!

I don't trust Proto Customer Service!
disaster.
 

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Rebuild kits ain't warranty? Wow...I just had my snapon guy rebuild my long handle 3/8 dual 80 just cause it "felt wrong" to me...and sure enough the teeth were wore and the ratchet was full of grease and oil and whatnot...anywhere else I would've paid ten bucks or whatever for a kit and had to install it myself...whereas the snapon man did it for me for free
 
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Is writing a concise, relatively low-key Email to Proto Customer Service explaining your situation a good idea? I.e., your dissatisfaction with the Customer Service issues. Not the quality of Proto's tools. If I were Proto management, I would want to know about issues like these. I'm sure they realize that a decent percentage of their clientele are people who make a living with tools.

At a minimum, this might provide you with personal satisfaction.

I called this morning and asked for the contact information for someone higer up, someone with a bit of pull and who might find my feedback of some value. The rep kept trying to refer me to her supervisor, but I've already spoken with supervisors and it gets nothing accomplished. I love Proto, I would like to find out if this is a rare occurence or if this is the norm. And if this is the norm, I would like to know if the company endorses shafting its loyal customers, so I can take my business elsewhere without any feelings of acting irrationally.
 

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I sent a socket in, never talked to anyone, got a new one back in less than two weeks.

Very happy.

Same here. Over the years I've had two small Proto warranty problems; I mailed the items to the location in GA, and followed up w/ a call to the 800 call center. The service was excellent.

RM209
 

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I called this morning and asked for the contact information for someone higer up, someone with a bit of pull and who might find my feedback of some value. The rep kept trying to refer me to her supervisor, but I've already spoken with supervisors and it gets nothing accomplished. I love Proto, I would like to find out if this is a rare occurence or if this is the norm. And if this is the norm, I would like to know if the company endorses shafting its loyal customers, so I can take my business elsewhere without any feelings of acting irrationally.

And....?
 

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Espy, I applaud your patience. And I, too, would be miffed. Maybe not to the point of dumping them altogether, but, I'd be getting there.

As you say, stuff happens. I've bought tools that were not the greatest per se, but, the fantastic customer service more than made up for it. I think that CS is right up there with quality control. One can make the best product in the world, but it's gotta be backed up by the best customer service to maintain the spot. Sadly, for alot of companies and products, that attitude is no longer valued. Even the best device - being made by men - is going to have a bad day. That's when CS takes over. If a company doesn't have that, chances are they won't be keeping many customers.
 

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In that kind of business you need a first-rate customer service department, because that's the face presented to the customer. Looking for a person to head that up should be as serious as looking for your new CEO.
 
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ProTo is a good line of tools,,, no question about that.
warranty issues???????? For me, that part has been a real ceremony since the 1970's.
I still buy ProTo tools; but with a BDT warranty plan...
Sorry, I only warranty my own tools, so please don't e-mail me your broken tools.
 

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I called this morning and asked for the contact information for someone higer up, someone with a bit of pull and who might find my feedback of some value. The rep kept trying to refer me to her supervisor, but I've already spoken with supervisors and it gets nothing accomplished.

I assume you've been calling the Proto customer support number:

(800) 800-TOOL

Perhaps try calling Stanley Black & Decker's corporate office to see if they can put you in contact with someone higher up:

(860) 225-5111

Or try Stanley Black & Decker's media contact:

(860) 826-3260

And sometimes, writing an actual letter and sending it to the corporate office will get the attention of somebody high enough in the food chain to do something about the issue:

Stanley Black & Decker
1000 Stanley Drive
New Britain, CT 06053

The latter will cost you a little more time and the price of a Forever stamp, but even in the 21st century, it's still usually far more effective than phone calls and emails because it tells the company that the issue was important enough to you to have taken the time to formally tell them about it. At the very least, at that point, you'll know you've exhausted every resource.
 

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I just take them back where I bought them and either get a new one or have them send it out. But, honestly, I don't break many proto tools.
 

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I see a correlation here. We have plenty of stories both very recent and somewhat recent, where the industrial line has been dropping the ball. Bare's screwdriver, your Proto issue here, Plenty of shipping & warranty complaints from GW.

So here's how I see it.
Snap-on::Williams
Mac::proto
Matco::GearWrench

I know not every one of these has as close a relationship to the other but more or less these complaints about the 'industrial' side (in quotes because I'm sure someone will argue that GW is not an industrial but a retail brand, fair enough but for the sake of this discussion we'll let that argument go) and i think I know why.

For the past few years people have been louder than usual about what they can and can't afford. GJ has got more and more info about what's equivalent and people are looking to the industrial brands where they may have only chosen what's available at retail (a tool truck is a retail store) and not dug any deeper. This isn't to say that you jumped on it recently but there is definitely a bandwagon where individuals are buying from these brands more than in previous years. You are being affected by their inability to scale their resources and expectations to deal with a lot of individuals calling instead of a guy at a company who calls with all the warranty issues at a given facility.

So basically you have the motivating factor of wanting to spend less plus the greater wealth of knowledge available to buyers stretching these warranty & support resources
thinner than they originally intended. This isn't any individual's fault but to some degree when you staff 10 people to handle the orders of Boeing, Mack, Timco, & GE you don't necessarily have the resources to also service Bob, Joe, Frank, & Archibald when they call. The industrial brands sell to a broader customer base than they used to but they haven't shifted the rest of the operation to support it.

All these complaints we are seeing on GJ also have this in common; we're going to the manufacturer instead of to a rep. This is basically equivalent to all the Sears complaints threads we have, we'd see complaints about McM-C and MSC and whoever else the industrial distributors are. Funny enough We don't see any of these complaints about Wright or HJE. This is something I have been noticing more and more leading up to Epstein's day and deciding how (IF, since I'm moving she may veto it) to participate. In a larger sense it's interesting to see the complaints and lack of complaints at GJ and make future buying decisions based on them.

I definitely think the best thing Proto could do for themselves is to get their support people to check the email, as you say they don't. you can get clear concise info including attached photos, model #, order #, etc without having to dig or call back to get additional info. If you do get in contact with someone higher up suggest this that I'm recommending. Come on who doesn't use email in 2014?

To contrast, I used to work in a B&D facility, saw a lot of how Stanley works (get it? Stanley Works was.. ah nevermind) and I will tell you it's both ends of the spectrum. Some of it is 100% bend over backwards overnight it don't care about the cost, it's all about service. The other half is they transfer you to the janitor who only speaks sanskrit. It wasn't based on what brand all the time, it was what kind of issue and what kind of parts availability there was.

Not surprising, that, the local B&D/Delta, and the store front in Concord Mills are all closed about 6 mos apart from each other. There is still a Dewalt service place near me and they have been open FOREVER but you really can tell if you've seen anything, even a glimpse on the inside of SB&D that the only brands that matter are Dewalt, MAC, Stanley, & B&D. Sorry but it's true.
 
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I would like to find out if this is a rare occurence or if this is the norm.

That sounds like the makings of a GJ poll on Proto Customer Service. Anyone with Proto tools (or intending to buy) should also be interested in the answer to that question. There are a lot of options for tool purchases out there. No sense in being involved with companies that have problems with either products or services.
 

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To the op no need to kill off proto all companies sometimes hit bad spots and **** happens...

I can understand your rant we all do it from time to time, for me proto tools are easy to return broken tools; but things happens and you just got caught in the middle this time around.

If it would make you happier start with another company like snap on, cornwell or mac and start buying their tools.

Woody:)
 
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