The VISES of Garage Journal

[AndrewH]

Andrew, for a user you are probably fine, but as a re-seller it is a detraction.

Have you known me to ever sell a vise?

Should mention, whoever did it, did it well. Had it not been mentioned I wouldn't have ever known. They did an excellent job. And with paint over the top no one would ever know.

 

[PMD6]

Went to a boot fair this morning to look for some bike parts but came back with a Record No 6 mounted on a swivel base. Only paid £8 / $13 for it. As you can see its a fairly good condition, but Ill restore it in the coming weeks. Either this one or the Parkinson will be passed on to my Father for his b'day.

 

[tedsters]

Went to a boot fair this morning to look for some bike parts but came back with a Record No 6 mounted on a swivel base. Only paid £8 / $13 for it. As you can see its a fairly good condition, but Ill restore it in the coming weeks. Either this one or the Parkinson will be passed on to my Father for his b'day.

thats a YOU **** if i ever seen one,heck of a find

 

[ritzblitz]

In my opinion a broken foot only takes a hair off of the value of a vise..

The American scale is 6" jaws and stands about 16" tall. There isn't a chunk missing it must just be the picture.

 

[tedsters]

Andrew

theres something fishy about this vise i talked to the guy Lonny and i also was gonna go get it for a 6hr drive after talking with him i said nope heres the same vise

 

[FMC1959]

This vise is either very old, or a much newer Hollands. They stuck to the number/jaw size for the most part, and a 59 should be a 9". The 50 series that I have seen up to 56, was their combo series. In theory, this should be a 17.

Also different on this vise compared to most of the stationary Hollands pictures I have seen is the base. The Hollands stationary vises I have seen, the 2 side & 1 rear feet/ears are all together, rather than sticking out independently like "ears". (see pic below)

There are a couple of guys on here that have nice collections of Hollands, Demoman for one and can't remember the other member, but he has most of the stationary series, they and others may have more info.


As a keeper, a 7" & 200 lb vise, I think it is a great deal.

 

[AndrewH]

Andrew

theres something fishy about this vise i talked to the guy Lonny and i also was gonna go get it for a 6hr drive after talking with him i said nope heres the same vise

I know exactly who it is. It's the same guy. He listed it on eBay. There's nothing fishy, I'm just not all about posting details until things are done. He's shipping it to me.

This vise is either very old, or a much newer Hollands. They stuck to the number/jaw size for the most part, and a 59 should be a 9". The 50 series that I have seen up to 56, was their combo series. In theory, this should be a 17.

Also different on this vise compared to most of the stationary Hollands pictures I have seen is the base. The Hollands stationary vises I have seen, the 2 side & 1 rear feet/ears are all together, rather than sticking out independently like "ears". (see pic below)

There are a couple of guys on here that have nice collections of Hollands, Demoman for one and can't remember the other member, but he has most of the stationary series, they and others may have more info.


As a keeper, a 7" & 200 lb vise, I think it is a great deal.

I found a catalog listing, and it lists the Hollands 59 as 7" 195 lbs to be exact and it looks exactly like the picture. As to its age I'm not sure! C'mon now guys, I've been doing this for awhile, I'm not an idiot, I wouldn't jump into anything fishy or incorrect. I've done my research and it all checks out. Thanks for looking out for me though!

 

[mtesh73]

Andrew

theres something fishy about this vise i talked to the guy Lonny and i also was gonna go get it for a 6hr drive after talking with him i said nope heres the same vise

so it turned out to be hollands?? thats what i guessed a couple pages back. they make nice heavy iron. not very descriptive markings on the cast, though.

 

[PMD6]

Did some one get a bargain? Schlegel EMF125. Sold for £38 ($65). I had a sniper bid placed for £41.89, but cancelled with less than a minute to go having picked up the Record this morning

 

[Fretters]

Not me, though I have just won an old Parkinson's wood vice for 99p. Didn't expect I'd be the only bidder, so that's a major detour required to collect it on Friday now.

 

[Mark in Indiana]

Hello Friends,

Here is my latest restoration for your review. It's a Craftsman #51871, 5 1/2" T-jaw vise (please see attached). Overall, the vise was in great shape, outside of the paint. The last 2 vises (a Reed & a Lake Side) were a challenge.It's nice to do an easy one this time.

Hope to find it a new home.

 

[Monte]

Did some one get a bargain? Schlegel EMF125. Sold for £38 ($65). I had a sniper bid placed for £41.89, but cancelled with less than a minute to go having picked up the Record this morning

2 vises are better than one

 

[Crafty]

Crafty: you posted as i just posted this and have to run. i'll comment later if i know anything, but just wanted to say that is a really nice looking very old Record vise and some of our Canadian and European members will know more about it since they have more in their areas than we do here in the US. also welcome to Garage Journal and i hope you stick around to learn and also teach us what you know. cheers

Thanks for the welcome, won't take long for me to teach you what I know!

Crafty - That is indeed a very old Record, I'd guess one of the oldest I've seen posted here since I joined. I'm not sure how the dates work on stuff over there but I'd imagine that it was made somewhere around 1917 for sure. If you could bring it back to life it'd serve another 100 years I'm sure!

It still works, its just the quick release is shot, I guess there is zero chance of getting any bits to fix it.

A friend came over the other day and suggest I chuck it away and buy a new one from a harbor freight sort of place! hmmm maybe not eh!

Be intriguing to see the eventual answer to that question on the date. Regarding cast with changeable text & numbers, one thing that you do find a lot of manufacturers did, on occasion, was to have a spot in the masters where they could screw a plate into, so that they could update info easily when needed. You'll sometimes find cast items which appears to have screws around the plaque area, but the screw heads are actually part of the cast.

Yeah I did consider that it could be some sort of infill plate, but I don't see any lines etc in the side, doesn't mean to say it wasn't done like that though.

 

[72CZ]

A Wilton #3
I picked up a while back.

 

[drivesitfar]

Crafty: i like your personality already and happy you joined the Journal. Are you able to take a few more pictures of your vise and especially the bottom up or taken off the bench and turned upside down so maybe the members with Record vises can help you help that old English vise live as she was meant to? good luck with that.

if it does have the quick release mech and you can get it to work it is a nice feature.

good luck

72: nice job finishing your wilton

 

[AndrewH]

Well, after another exhaustive search, I've found a Wilton 09-600, and after 35 years in a machine shop this old girl will be retiring to my garage! She looks a bit rough and will certainly need new jaw pads from Kevin but that's easy. Nothing a little JB Weld or All metal filler can't smooth out. Can't wait to get it in the blast cabinet!

 

[sdavis622]

Acquired this littlestown vise in a trade today. In great shape!

 

[Fretters]

It still works, its just the quick release is shot, I guess there is zero chance of getting any bits to fix it.

As DIF suggested, whack a photo of the underside of the vice up. If you have the half nut, then reimplementing the rest of the parts wouldn't be a biggie. You could likely even nick the parts from a knacked vice.

 

[kukko]

here's a pic of that 6" Record i saw at the swap. still was uninspired the second day, so it sat on the table. not sure if it sold, as i left the swap early.

 

[GarrettWeidman]

Well, after another exhaustive search, I've found a Wilton 09-600, and after 35 years in a machine shop this old girl will be retiring to my garage! She looks a bit rough and will certainly need new jaw pads from Kevin but that's easy. Nothing a little JB Weld or All metal filler can't smooth out. Can't wait to get it in the blast cabinet!

What are the notches in the back of the jaws for? Did they do this for a certain time period or certain models? Whats the deal?

 

[AndrewH]

What are the notches in the back of the jaws for? Did they do this for a certain time period or certain models? Whats the deal?

It's for the 600 / 800, the jaws are screwed in from the back, the bolt heads are in the notches that you're referring to. The (way) old style 600 screws in from the front. I think it's better this way as the bolt heads are less likely to get damaged.

 

[GarrettWeidman]

It's for the 600 / 800, the jaws are screwed in from the bolt heads are in the notches that you're referring to. The (way) old style 600 screws in from the front. I think it's better this way as the bolt heads are less likely to get damaged.

So if I see a picture of a wilton with those flats it has atleast 6" wide jaws? They never did it on smaller versions?

 

[balane]

It's for the 600 / 800, the jaws are screwed in from the bolt heads are in the notches that you're referring to. The (way) old style 600 screws in from the front. I think it's better this way as the bolt heads are less likely to get damaged.

The fasteners thread into hardened steel and not cast iron. Much superior for any vise but especially an industrial duty one. Nice vise.

 

[AndrewH]

So if I see a picture of a wilton with those flats it has atleast 6" wide jaws? They never did it on smaller versions?

Yes sir. I believe the 600 / 800 / C3 are the only ones with this type of mounting system. However, I did see a 30th anniversary Wilton that screwed in from the back, however, it's unlikely that you would mistake that for anything else.

 

[oldldh]

It's for the 600 / 800, the jaws are screwed in from the bolt heads are in the notches that you're referring to. The (way) old style 600 screws in from the front. I think it's better this way as the bolt heads are less likely to get damaged.

I think you've got that backwards...

The "old" style screws in from the rear...

The "new" style screws in from the front...

I think...

The only vises that screwed in from the back were the 600, 800, and the C-3...i.e....6" jaws and larger...

I think...

And at my age, I think could be wrong...

I think...

Maybe...

 

[va.grouseman]

Originally posted by GarretWeidman.

What are the notches in the back of the jaws for? Did they do this for a certain time period or certain models? Whats the deal?
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Here's an 800S in that style.





Autopts has one just like it. Page 865.
I'm with Andrew and balane on this one, I think it's a better design and has more personality.

 

[AndrewH]

I think you've got that backwards...

The "old" style screws in from the rear...

The "new" style screws in from the front...

I think...

The only vises that screwed in from the back were the 600, 800, and the C-3...i.e....6" jaws and larger...

I think...

And at my age, I think could be wrong...

I think...

Maybe...

No, I'm correct. I don't know about the brand new ones but the original No 6 screwed in from the front, then they changed it to screw in from the back. And I believe now they screw in from the front again. So technically we're both correct, just talking about different time frames!

 

[Fretters]

I'm with Andrew and balane on this one, I think it's a better design and has more personality.

When seeing those, I've always wondered why they didn't do what a lot of our manufacturers did, and just use countersunk head bolts straight through. Always seems like they lost the nerve half way through the process.

 

[joe.striper]

I need a litle help. Whats the best way to ship a vise like a 1760 wilton?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Outlawmws]

Will it fit in a USPS large flat rate box? Maybe disassembled?

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

I need a litle help. Whats the best way to ship a vise like a 1760 wilton?

Thanks in advance.

I have this bookmarked!

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3516808&postcount=11497

 

[bmwpower]

I need a litle help. Whats the best way to ship a vise like a 1760 wilton?

Thanks in advance.

Bolt it to piece of plywood the exact shape of bottom of box. Use a heavy duty box. Sent a bunch that way - never an issue.

IMHO, anything less will move around during shipping.

 

[joe.striper]

Recently I posted a pic of a swivel jawed vise looking for the manufacturer, well im 90% sure I found a match. Below is a pic of the vise I posted earlier. The next pic is of the swivel base bottom, next is a pic of the top of the swivel base. Internally the static base is identical.

all these pics are from a 4 inch Athol. Opinions?

 

[tclev]

I hope I didn't get taken on this vise, so I thought I would ask the experts what they think it's worth

 

[joe.striper]

Bolt it to piece of plywood the exact shape of bottom of box. Use a heavy duty box. Sent a bunch that way - never an issue.

IMHO, anything less will move around during shipping.

I was thinking that bolted to a piece of wood would be perfect. I have to get some strapping tape as wel. Thanks for the help.

 

[zkling]

I hope I didn't get taken on this vise, so I thought I would ask the experts what they think it's worth

Depends, what did you pay?

 

[tclev]

A 50 spot.

 

[zkling]

A 50 spot.

Barring no major issues What is the size, how about the columbian in front?

 

[bmwpower]

I hope I didn't get taken on this vise, so I thought I would ask the experts what they think it's worth

Unless you paid $$$, you made really well.

 

[Fretters]

I hope I didn't get taken on this vise, so I thought I would ask the experts what they think it's worth

Worth is relative. Regardless of what you paid for it, the fact that you bought it makes it worth what you paid for it. There's only one person who has to be content with the price one pays, and it ain't the rest of us.

A 50 spot.

If that means $50, I'd say you got that for a song.