The VISES of Garage Journal

[biscuit141]

OK, so here are the pictures. I didn't find any tape, so maybe it was an illusion of the photo. Vice seems to be in really great shape, aside from a small gouge under the inside of the dynamic jaw. Seems like a weird place though. And, since this is my first old vise, I have to say, I thought it was going to be bigger. I know thats because I don't know all the models and sizes, but I was expecting something larger, never the less I like it.

Next to it's bench mate.

Picture of the gouge.

 

[AndrewH]

Well guys, I didn't want to say anything until it was a done deal. But thanks again to member alinc100 I hit the gold mine today! He just went and picked up a 185 lb Parker 436 for me. This baby is in pristine condition, he is texting me pictures and it appears that this vise was barely used, the slide is near perfect, the slide track as I call it that it slides on is in pristine condition, usually they are always tore up. She's a massive beautiful vise, by my research the largest combination vise that Parker made!! I'm so excited!

More pictures of how great of condition this vise is in...

 

[McBrownie]

OK, so here are the pictures. I didn't find any tape, so maybe it was an illusion of the photo. Vice seems to be in really great shape, aside from a small gouge under the inside of the dynamic jaw. Seems like a weird place though. And, since this is my first old vise, I have to say, I thought it was going to be bigger. I know thats because I don't know all the models and sizes, but I was expecting something larger, never the less I like it.

Biscuit,
Really nice Parker! Those jaws are in great shape, which is very important on an old Parker. Yours is a bit unique, I believe. It has the scalloped static jaw supports, but is not a "Pat. 1930". I thought that the straight (non-scalloped) supports came into being when the "Pat. 1930" went away. Also, your handle looks like the older "Pat. 1930" style, which I like better. Enjoy it!

 

[biscuit141]

Thanks McBrownie. Do you know when this vise would have been produced or how much it weighs?

 

[McBrownie]

Well guys, I didn't want to say anything until it was a done deal. But thanks again to member alinc100 I hit the gold mine today! He just went and picked up a 185 lb Parker 436 for me. This baby is in pristine condition, he is texting me pictures and it appears that this vise was barely used, the slide is near perfect, the slide track as I call it that it slides on is in pristine condition, usually they are always tore up. She's a massive beautiful vise, by my research the largest combination vise that Parker made!! I'm so excited!

Andrew,
Wow! Do you think that is original paint? Congrats.

 

[wrenchguy]

OK, so here are the pictures. I didn't find any tape, so maybe it was an illusion of the photo. Vice seems to be in really great shape, aside from a small gouge under the inside of the dynamic jaw. Seems like a weird place though. And, since this is my first old vise, I have to say, I thought it was going to be bigger. I know thats because I don't know all the models and sizes, but I was expecting something larger, never the less I like it.



that is nice, well worth 50 with the cross-hatching showing. tome it looked like tape where the jaw and the static land met. don't get the bug now!!!

 

[wrenchguy]

Well guys, I didn't want to say anything until it was a done deal. But thanks again to member alinc100 I hit the gold mine today! He just went and picked up a 185 lb Parker 436 for me. This baby is in pristine condition, he is texting me pictures and it appears that this vise was barely used, the slide is near perfect, the slide track as I call it that it slides on is in pristine condition, usually they are always tore up. She's a massive beautiful vise, by my research the largest combination vise that Parker made!! I'm so excited!

nice, real nice.

 

[McBrownie]

Thanks McBrownie. Do you know when this vise would have been produced or how much it weighs?

According to this:

http://scuttle.dayid.org/wiki/images/2/20/1946ellefeldtcatalog.jpg

Somewhere between 1946 and 1957. 1957 being when Parker was acquired by Union. It weighs 46 pounds. spend some time on that website and you'll see how many more Parker models you have to get.

 

[AndrewH]

According to this:

http://scuttle.dayid.org/wiki/images/2/20/1946ellefeldtcatalog.jpg

Somewhere between 1946 and 1957. 1957 being when Parker was acquired by Union. It weighs 46 pounds. spend some time on that website and you'll see how many more Parker models you have to get.

I looked earlier and there isn't even a picture of a Parker 436 listed! Just the weight / jaw width.

As for the paint, I'm really wondering if it is the original paint. I just can't imagine it not being considering the condition it's in. What do you think?

 

[biscuit141]

that is nice, well worth 50 with the cross-hatching showing. tome it looked like tape where the jaw and the static land met. don't get the bug now!!!

Wrench - what cross-hatching? In the jaws? Do I need to worry about that gouge?

 

[alinc100]

Well guys, I didn't want to say anything until it was a done deal. But thanks again to member alinc100 I hit the gold mine today! He just went and picked up a 185 lb Parker 436 for me. This baby is in pristine condition, he is texting me pictures and it appears that this vise was barely used, the slide is near perfect, the slide track as I call it that it slides on is in pristine condition, usually they are always tore up. She's a massive beautiful vise, by my research the largest combination vise that Parker made!! I'm so excited!

Let me just say it's really really heavy!!
As an add-on to the story the sellers are a husband and wife team who do house clean outs.Not sure if it's for banks,foreclosures,etc. but I believe Andrew and I have made a connection and will be getting calls/texts from these folks in the future.If the vise hadn't sold they were gonna throw it on their truck and scrap it But now they are aware and hopefully will call when something else pops up. I did throw out the info that not all vises are worth big $$ some are only worth scrap etc. and not to expect a bundle of cash from everything they find.

 

[joe.striper]

Actually Joe... You've just begun, the addiction only grows exponentially! Nice score! When are you mailing out that 1760 to me to fix?

Wanted to add, if you want to recoup some money I've been looking for one of those little tiny 3" bullets for my coffee table, so if you decide to sell one give me a heads up!

Andrew, I actually mismeasured. The red vise is a 3" with copper jaws, needs to be stripped though, swivel base.

The little blue one is 2.5"! It is BRAND NEW but non swivel.

here's a question, I have no model numbers on the 4" or 5" vises. Are they all bullets? I know the 5" is but the 4" looks very different. There are numbers on the right side but not where they are on the 8300 or the 1740.

I do plan to sell most of these. I'm trying to figure fair values for all of these.

 

[AndrewH]

Andrew, I actually mismeasured. The red vise is a 3" with copper jaws, needs to be stripped though, swivel base.

The little blue one is 2.5"! It is BRAND NEW but non swivel.

here's a question, I have no model numbers on the 4" or 5" vises. Are they all bullets? I know the 5" is but the 4" looks very different. There are numbers on the right side but not where they are on the 8300 or the 1740.

I do plan to sell most of these. I'm trying to figure fair values for all of these.

Joe,

I sent you a message. Also, with some shots of the numbers underneath the static jaws we should be able to identify them for you.

Andrew

 

[McBrownie]

I looked earlier and there isn't even a picture of a Parker 436 listed! Just the weight / jaw width.

As for the paint, I'm really wondering if it is the original paint. I just can't imagine it not being considering the condition it's in. What do you think?

Looking at the pictures again, I'm leaning towards original. Those jaws look unused and who would bother to strip and repaint a vise that was never used. Interesting that the screw knob is painted.

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

All of those Wiltons looked like bullets to me, I didn't see any tradesmans or mechanics vises. Some of them didn't come marked like you'd expect, they've got something like 101028 or something on them. I've got one that's just marked HD. Good find on all of them though!

Andrew and Andy, good find! Hopefully the contact pans out for you and there's more heavy metal headed your way.

 

[AndrewH]

Looking at the pictures again, I'm leaning towards original. Those jaws look unused and who would bother to strip and repaint a vise that was never used. Interesting that the screw knob is painted.

That's what I'm thinking. I'm just not sure I can leave it that color even if it is original, it's kinda ugly

We'll see though, my 71 lb Parker 88 (combination vise as well) took 2 cans of paint, I can only imagine how much this one will take.

 

[Outlawmws]

That's what I'm thinking. I'm just not sure I can leave it that color even if it is original, it's kinda ugly

We'll see though, my 71 lb Parker 88 (combination vise as well) took 2 cans of paint, I can only imagine how much this one will take.

None! That monster needs to be bare *** nekkid!

 

[tedsters]

Well guys, I didn't want to say anything until it was a done deal. But thanks again to member alinc100 I hit the gold mine today! He just went and picked up a 185 lb Parker 436 for me. This baby is in pristine condition, he is texting me pictures and it appears that this vise was barely used, the slide is near perfect, the slide track as I call it that it slides on is in pristine condition, usually they are always tore up. She's a massive beautiful vise, by my research the largest combination vise that Parker made!! I'm so excited!

More pictures of how great of condition this vise is in...

thats a Dandy Dude very nice my turn to find one now

 

[67carl]

Looking to buy Wilton C1 pipe jaws from a GJ member but I want to make sure it will fit. I've posted a pic of the jaws opening below and the jaws in the next post. Does the set screw on my vice hold the jaws in? What are the functions of the clip on the back of the jaws? Thanks!

 

[67carl]

Jaws... Will these work on my model?

 

[drivesitfar]

67: do you have a couple side shots of your C1 handy? i'm guessing these will work perfect for your vise, but if you have the 2 pins that go through the older C1's then it will not. if you don't have holes on the sides of your dynamic and static jaws then these pipe jaws should work great.

i think i see the set screw in your picture so these are the jaws you need.

good luck

Big White: that is an awesome Reed 2C you just permanently welded to the back of your truck. so you had to cut off the swivel base to get the vise from the seller? in any case that is a very good vise for most any job and after looking at the back of your truck it found a good home. that isn't just a run of the mill truck with that thick steel bed and that good size welder sitting on it too. NICE WORK TRUCK.

 

[biscuit141]

OK, so I began some slight disassembly. This front screw came out much easier than I anticipated. What about this paper gasket behind the Parker plate?

Also, what about this pin, I am hoping it is supposed to be bent. Does it just tap out from the bottom?

 

[bluebolt]

Jaws... Will these work on my model?

Carl, clean out that pocket and measure the depth using this as a guide. And KMScott might be able to help.

http://wiltonviseparts.net/wilton-c1-pipe-jaws/

 

[AndrewH]

OK, so I began some slight disassembly. This front screw came out much easier than I anticipated. What about this paper gasket behind the Parker plate?

Also, what about this pin, I am hoping it is supposed to be bent. Does it just tap out from the bottom?

Yes, being bent is fine. In fact when you put it back in make sure to bend it forward until the nut has no forward / backward movement otherwise there will be backlash. And yes, it's probably going to take more than a tap, but you hammer it out from the bottom.

 

[rennebew]

Fort Wayne CL 7" jaw vise on stand

LARGE 31" VISE ON METAL STAND - $175 (ST. JOE, IN)

http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/tls/4557270430.html

 

[drivesitfar]

Biscuit: yes the pin is supposed to be bent to keep the vise nut nice and tight in it's spot. take a punch just a shade smaller than the pin and hit the pin from the bottom up a few times and it should come loose. also that old paper gasket might have been an old timer's method of taking out any slop the screw had during the action.

i wouldn't take the jaws off if i was you, but of course that is your call.

Renne: where is fort wayne at and i'm ready for a road trip for a big vise??

 

[ShadowRuleZ]

If I leave now, I might beat AndrewH to it! I think he's to busy being distracted by his new acquisition...

 

[oldldh]

Ft Wayne is about 100 miles north on Indianapolis on I-69....

Get there soon, though...

They get "Lake Effect" snow starting sooner than you would think...

 

[drivesitfar]

Oldie: Damn, i'm betting Andrew has already bought it and picking it up after work tonight. i'll just wait for the 8 inchers and maybe 1000 miles closer.

Andrew: Nice Parker and do you have the entire set yet??

 

[biscuit141]

Thanks Drivesitfar. I wonder if there will be any play when it put it back together.

Does anyone know what vise that is for sale in Forte Wayne? Its about an hour and a half south east of me, not that I have $175 lying around for another vise, but I'm surious what kind it is.

 

[drivesitfar]

Biscuit: my guess is the Fort Wayne is an unmarked Prentiss.

as far as no slop or play it really depends how you put it back together. keep the pin up tight to the vise nut without hammer it or hitting it from the side with a chisel try to put it in as it came out if you remember of if you put it in wrong the first time then drive it out and re position and try again. that old steel doesn't bend easily.

if you need a space under the holder with Parker on it then use some gasket material or whatever you have on hand to see if it helps. it's only one screw to take in and out to test thickness of shim.

 

[alinc100]

If I leave now, I might beat AndrewH to it! I think he's to busy being distracted by his new acquisition...

Jerry,
I know you'd be 100% right if he had it in his possession.
If you have any free time this week you can get a sneak peek before Andrew does!! We could always hurry up and bomb it with a nice shade of pink.

 

[AndrewH]

Ha, if I'm correct that's a 7" swivel jaw. Which makes it that much better. Looks pretty rough though, I'll let someone else have it. But I'm pretty damn sure about the swivel jaw.

Besides the outline under the dirt, you can see the pin hole in the picture where he's measuring the height.

 

[McBrownie]

Ha, if I'm correct that's a 7" swivel jaw. Which makes it that much better. Looks pretty rough though, I'll let someone else have it. But I'm pretty damn sure about the swivel jaw.

Besides the outline under the dirt, you can see the pin hole in the picture where he's measuring the height.

Hmmmmmm. Who is being suspiciously quiet in this 7" swivel jaw? BigCaddy? Outlaw? WrenchGuy? Any others? I know it's not me. Hmmmmmm.

 

[Outlawmws]

OK, so I began some slight disassembly. This front screw came out much easier than I anticipated. What about this paper gasket behind the Parker plate?
SNIP

The paper was probably a ship to keep the screw head from binding on the D jaw counter bore. Does it scrape without it?

 

[67carl]

67: do you have a couple side shots of your C1 handy? i'm guessing these will work perfect for your vise, but if you have the 2 pins that go through the older C1's then it will not. if you don't have holes on the sides of your dynamic and static jaws then these pipe jaws should work great.

i think i see the set screw in your picture so these are the jaws you need.

good luck

I've seen pics of vises with those pins you mentioned and mine does not have them. Just the set screws. The openings measure 2 7/8 x 2 7/8, with the depth at about 3". I've pm'd the seller and asked for the jaw measurements. If they fit then I'll pull the trigger. Still not sure what purpose the clips on the back of the jaws serve... Anyway, thanks drivesitfar!

Also, would you consider this vice a good candidate for an electrolysis bath? Been looking for an excuse to build one!

 

[joe.striper]

All of those Wiltons looked like bullets to me, I didn't see any tradesmans or mechanics vises. Some of them didn't come marked like you'd expect, they've got something like 101028 or something on them. I've got one that's just marked HD. Good find on all of them though!

Andrew and Andy, good find! Hopefully the contact pans out for you and there's more heavy metal headed your way.

yep, that's similar to the #s what I have on my 2 - 4" bullets, they just look so different from the 5" vise.

Here is my 2.5" bullet. so cute

 

[Outlawmws]

Hmmmmmm. Who is being suspiciously quiet in this 7" swivel jaw? BigCaddy? Outlaw? WrenchGuy? Any others? I know it's not me. Hmmmmmm.

Well its out of my range distance wise, if BC is driving home form VACA, maybe...

So it's probably WG...

 

[jakemac]

Fort Wayne CL 7" jaw vise on stand

LARGE 31" VISE ON METAL STAND - $175 (ST. JOE, IN)

http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/tls/4557270430.html

It looks like a Reed to me. But then I'm not as vise savvy as others here. ??

 

[Outlawmws]

It looks like a Reed to me. But then I'm not as vise savvy as others here. ??

I don't think Reed, no oil holes, but I played with the pic to try to bring things up and got nothing, HOWEVER I believe I see a swivel jaw on that bad boy...