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trecash6850

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Drivesitfar: Craftsman came from eBay cheap cause it was listed wrong didn't know it was anything odd about it cool. Record came from Staunton, VA local to me a guy selling out his machine shop $50.
Fmc1959: Not unless Irwin is making them in sheffield. [emoji6]
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Reed Vise 134 1/2 R - Post 2

I removed the screw (the bearing impressed me), finished a rough cleaning, waxed the bare metal, and then oiled things (Mobil 1 motor oil). I reassembled everything but disassembly is now about a 5 minute process.

A couple of disassembled pics, jaw alignment, and the SMOOTHLY working vice, still dripping with patina (maybe).

But I don't know what restricts the vise from unscrewing too far. I must have removed a "stop" somewhere, but I don't remember where. HELP?

Thank you for your comments

You have one of the later production of the general type or configuration of vise commonly known as a 'pipefitters' or 'steamfitters' vise.

These were meant for the heavy work in the fitting-up of various types of piping associated with large, heavy steam equipment, as might be found in power plants or in shipyard work.

Whilst that particular one is relatively new-ish, as that pattern of main screw retainer wasn't used by the Reed works until the (approx) 1938-'40-ish time-frame, the basic design is quite old.

Some of the older ones of that style will be found with the fixed jaw casting incorporating 'bending notches' to hold different sizes of pipe for bending. Some versions had a three or four bolt mounting, others had the early style swivel-base, in which the vise was held by a central screw, with a large 'butterfly' wing-nut under the bench.

The idea was that vise equipment for job-site piping fitment would include chain-vises of multiple sizes to hold pipes, and the fitters' bench vise to hold the flats on valves, and/or hold smaller pipes for bending. If you look at the steam and air piping on a steam locomotive, for example, or in the engine room and auxiliary equipment spaces of ships, you will see a lot of rather precise pipe bending and fitup.

This was a high-order skill, actually, those old steamfitters had a lot of piping to fit neatly into limited space, and were expected to 'make it look good'.

Some of these vises will be found marked 'GFE' for 'General Fire Equipment', a supplier of piping systems for large buildings, or 'Grinnell', a major 'full-line' supplier of piping system components.

Your Reed seems to be a later improvement on that general 'style' of vise, with the easily replaced bronze nut, and the greater opening distance than was common with the older ones.

The old steamfitters' vises are sought after, these days, by people who do smithing, as they are much less 'fragile' than are the 'machinists' pattern of vises, when given the 'brutal' treatment involved in hot work.

In short, you've an elegant bit of history.....I've never seen a steamfitters' vise in such amazingly well-preserved condition......maybe that one was 'surplus' as 'unsold stock' when a supply house was closed down??? (edit.....that grey paint looks 'original', and would suggest 1950's production.....I don't know exactly when the Reed works changed from their earlier black paint, to that grey, but early/mid '50's seems probable)

Added on edit......nothing stops the screw from being backed all the way out of the nut.....that is how it is meant to be dis-assembled, and its 'taken for granted' that the user will know to keep the screw 'full nut' when holding a workpiece as large as the vise will allow.....that said, old ones may be found which had a washer welded to the end of the main screw, to make it impossible to dis-assemble the vise.....a precaution against 'on the job sabotage' which a disgruntled worker might do by removing and discarding the sliding jaw assembly of the vise.

(this was but one aspect of 'never make an old boilermaker or steamfitter angry'.....they were some 'rough' men, or so the old stories are told.)

cheers

Carla
 
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Drivesitfar: Craftsman came from eBay cheap cause it was listed wrong didn't know it was anything odd about it cool. Record came from Staunton, VA local to me a guy selling out his machine shop $50.
Fmc1959: Not unless Irwin is making them in sheffield. [emoji6]
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Could be wrong but Irwin still made some in England when they bought Record, then moved the fabrication to China. Nonetheless, yours looks great, nice paint job and no real nicks or marks, almost look like you just took it out the box.

I have seen recent Record's by Irwin made in China, they aren't that different looking to the made in England, yours has a distinctly modernized look to it. If you do a Google search for "Record No 8 Vise" and click on images, they all look pretty similar, stocky, short throat look. Not knocking it in any way, I like the look of yours very much
 

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Would anybody know off the top of their head when a REED 2C was patented? I barely noticed today mine was a patent pending 2C... Just curious :thumbup: Thanks.
 

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Would anybody know off the top of their head when a REED 2C was patented? I barely noticed today mine was a patent pending 2C... Just curious :thumbup: Thanks.

Depends...
There are 4 Reed bench vise patents.
1) In 1908 for the basic design.
2) In 1912 for a new jaw style.
3) In 1914 for putting the balls on the tightening rods.
4) In 1938 for the split-nut main screw collar and the attachment of the main nut.

Post up some pics, or give us a link to some , I'm sure someone can help you out...

Take care!
ZOOM
 

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Here's one more... Haven't posted on here in forever. It won't let me post more than one image at a time :confused:
 

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I think it would be safe to say (maybe) early 1936 to late 1938, or a little later, depending when they made new dies. Not to sure here, someone else may have a better guess...
Nice Vise!!
Mike
 

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Anyone else see this on feePay? 301280692260
A Parker 83 - looks like a little brother to the 94 and cousin to the 63 1/2. Not bad, though as usual for that venue its condition is wildly overstated. Original silver paint? Don't think so. There are traces of dark blue on the dynamic jaw that looks more like it. I'd still be interested if I hadn't just bought a 94 which I swore completed the collection. :dunno::sad::drool:(mixed emotions) Far from a bargain, but it just depends on how much you want it. Not common certainly; first one I've seen.
 

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Could be wrong but Irwin still made some in England when they bought Record, then moved the fabrication to China. Nonetheless, yours looks great, nice paint job and no real nicks or marks, almost look like you just took it out the box.

I have seen recent Record's by Irwin made in China, they aren't that different looking to the made in England, yours has a distinctly modernized look to it. If you do a Google search for "Record No 8 Vise" and click on images, they all look pretty similar, stocky, short throat look. Not knocking it in any way, I like the look of yours very much
trecash6850's Record No.8 is a bit newer than mine but my guess is that it's from the '70s.

Here is my Record No.6 with my No.8 in the background. There is a horizantal ridge in the casting of the dynamic jaw of both vices. trecash6850's does not have that casting.
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Here is my Record No. 4 that I bought new in the '70s. It is newer than the above vices. It does not have that casting either. I've see other Records that I know are newer than this one and they likewise don't have that casting.
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Newer Records and all Irwins as far as I know also have "slots" instead of bolt holes on the base. I don't know when those first occurred but it was quite a few years ago.
 
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I think it would be safe to say (maybe) early 1936 to late 1938, or a little later, depending when they made new dies. Not to sure here, someone else may have a better guess...
Nice Vise!!
Mike

Seems reasonable, give or take a few years. I have a 4C with the old-style round nose & cast-in jaws that has the patent # (2127008). I doubt they bothered rotating their parts stock, at least until they changed to the replaceable jaws... lol.
 

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I know some of you want a Reed combination vise...

Well. here's a Reed 4-C with stand on Ebay...

$ 600.00!!!
 

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hobkirk

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Depends...
There are 4 Reed bench vise patents.
1) In 1908 for the basic design.
2) In 1912 for a new jaw style.
3) In 1914 for putting the balls on the tightening rods.
4) In 1938 for the split-nut main screw collar and the attachment of the main nut.

Post up some pics, or give us a link to some , I'm sure someone can help you out...

Take care!
ZOOM

Being able to find this level of expertise is remarkable! What a delight.

Can you estimate the date range of this 134 1/2R Reed vise? It has a split nut main screw collar.

Thanks
 

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Started taking apart my new C-0 and found this. Ughhh, 'Houston, we have a problem'..... not exactly stock is it???
 

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Definitely not original, but done well enough not to be problematic either. Only thing it will do is make the action finer due to the finer thread pitch, and obviously it won't have quite the same strength as the square thread and full length nut, but you'd have to really lean on it to strip it.
 

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Started taking apart my new C-0 and found this. Ughhh, 'Houston, we have a problem'..... not exactly stock is it???

Looks like they welded on a smaller diameter nut and then a piece of all-thread on the handle?

Are the regular threads still intact in the main nut or did they strip them out or something? If those are okay, maybe you can cut off the nut, get the proper thread (are Wilton's ACME?) and fix the handle?

I bet Mr. Scott could do it, he can fix any vise! :willy_nil
 
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trecash6850's Record No.8 is a bit newer than mine but my guess is that it's from the '70s.

Here is my Record No.6 with my No.8 in the background. There is a horizantal ridge in the casting of the dynamic jaw of both vices. trecash6850's does not have that casting.

Here is my Record No. 4 that I bought new in the '70s. It is newer than the above vices. It does not have that casting either. I've see other Records that I know are newer than this one and they likewise don't have that casting.

Newer Records and all Irwins as far as I know also have "slots" instead of bolt holes on the base. I don't know when those first occurred but it was quite a few years ago.

Is this the same Record as in Record lathes?
 

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Can't fix this one guys. I might have a spindle nut though. gonna have to purchase a Spindle from ereplacementparts.com or find a used one.
ebay has a non working C-0 up for bid now that between the two I can make one. If you have a spindle nut I'm a buyer. :) pm me please.
 

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You have been lurking for two years and saved your money for the big one to come along. Good to see the Tucson 978 Parker has a new home. Welcome and I bet there are more besides the big Parker.

Thank you for the warm welcome Gentlemen. Yes, that is the Tucson 978 restored by Chuck- with Mr. Scott's exquisite jaws. It was lonely down there sitting all by itself, and after quite an 1800 mile ride in the back of an SUV, now resides happily with its brethren in the far north. It would be great if Danny learns, in time, to appreciate its significance as an example of a time when special things were envisioned and produced with pride in this country everywhere, every day, even though these items were meant to only to accomplish everyday tasks. May he appreciate and enjoy like things as much as I do when his time comes.
 
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I'll post some images of this old ******* this vise thread. I see lots of CM vises but this one caught my eye at a G-sale. I think it's model 5191.

4", dovetail jaws, oil port in the dynamic jaw. It's really quite heavy for it's size.

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Davefr, I had one of those pass through my hands not too long ago and I was also very impressed with it. These are honestly very well manufactured vises built to last several lifetimes. I put these Craftsmans up with any vise as far as quality goes.

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Davefr, I had one of those pass through my hands not too long ago and I was also very impressed with it. These are honestly very well manufactured vises built to last several lifetimes. I put these Craftsmans up with any vise as far as quality goes.

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What caught my attention was the way it looked. It's one of the prettiest vise designs I've seen with the curves and the way the shape just flows together.
 

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Dave: if you have that Craftsman vise close by can you look on the end of the hub of the main screw that will show which # vise you have. i'm guessing it's a 5191 or it could be a bigger one. how wide are the jaws? the # might be faint, but it should be there. hopefully you can see the # on my 5191.

nice find.

Balane: interesting that Craftsman made one vise with the badge and another with a name cast on the side. does your vise you just posted sitting on your stump say 5191 on the hub (or what do you call the cover of the main screw)?
 

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Since we are talking about Craftsman vises...

Behold!!!:beer:

A 5198!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drool:

Not so elusive, anymore...

Now, to get it from the "Left Coast"...
 

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Oldie: quit teasing yourself. We know you are using your avitar. Aren't you?

Dave: also just curious if you see a production date stamped on the top of the back half of you dynamic slide?
 

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Oldie: quit teasing yourself. We know you are using your avitar. Aren't you?


Nope...

What you are looking at is ,apparently, a REAL 5198....

These photos arrived in an email this afternoon...

It's in California, somewhere...

We will be negotiating price, soon...
 

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Dave: if you have that Craftsman vise close by can you look on the end of the hub of the main screw that will show which # vise you have. i'm guessing it's a 5191 or it could be a bigger one. how wide are the jaws? the # might be faint, but it should be there. hopefully you can see the # on my 5191.

No, I can't make out any model number or date code. However it matches the 5191 specs.
 

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Nope...

What you are looking at is ,apparently, a REAL 5198....

These photos arrived in an email this afternoon...

It's in California, somewhere...

We will be negotiating price, soon...
If that is a real 5198 (I'm skeptical.) I hope you're the one to get it oldldh.
 

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Since we are talking about Craftsman vises...

Behold!!!:beer:

A 5198!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drool:

Not so elusive, anymore...

Now, to get it from the "Left Coast"...

Did you say...California? I live in California:evil: where did you find it at, Oldldh?,

If you need help making arrangements with shipping and I can be of assistance, let me know and I'll see what I can do. I glad you finally caught your unicorn
 
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