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Hey guys, I've been hanging out here for a while just reading and dreaming of having a shop like some of you guys :thumbup:. When I bought my property, there was an old dirt floor pole barn already on it, so I've done a little here and there through the years to turn it into a shop. It isn't fancy by any means. I'm not sure how old it is, but I remember it being there around 30 years ago, and it wasn't new then. I've owned it 16 years. It's 40'x48' and I enclosed a 32'x40' area. I have worked "in" it, but I haven't spent much time working "on" it. I started a few years after I bought it by having a steel truss built so I could remove two posts. It already had the 8x16 room built inside it, and one outside wall built with used metal. I put down the concrete, three outside walls, the doors, and wired it up, and that's how I've been using it for several years now. I'm tired of the clutter, the leaks in the roof, and the cold drafts and freezing to death in the winter, so I'm doing a few upgrades. I'm doing this mostly by myself along with working on my vehicles as well as a full time job, so progress is slow. Anyway, I went through all of my pictures and found some shots taken over the past few years that show some of the building in the background. I just built a storage area above the 8x16 room and I bought 40 sheets of OSB with no lines, and I'm working on it!
 

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More pics...
 

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Here's the work I'm currently doing... I built a small storage area above the storage room so I can start eliminating some clutter from the work area, and I'm working on getting OSB up on the walls of the room. I'm moving the door to the side of the room so I can extend the length of my work bench and I am building a 2'x16' shelf on the front wall of the room. It's getting about time to take down the cabinet and tear down the old work bench so I can finish the shelf and the lower part of the wall!
 

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That looks promising, I'm looking forward to the progress. Also I love your cars, can you give some details on them?
 

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Keep it coming! I enjoy seeing the renovations on pole barns. We recently reworked the 111+ year old barn at our farm, and are always looking for new ideas.

How did you go about finding the steel truss you used to take out a couple of the interior posts?

GGB
 
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That looks promising, I'm looking forward to the progress. Also I love your cars, can you give some details on them?

The 35 Chevrolet is one I've had 20 years. Tons of work went into that one. Chopped top, air ride, suicide doors from the factory, cold a/c, power windows, everything shaved, 700r4 transmission, 355 with world products heads, boxed frame, and Mustang II front suspension. It's a good road car. My wife and I have been 500 miles from home on it several times. The '66 Chevrolet truck needs some work , but it only has 58k miles and spent most of it's life under a shelter. It was my wife's great grandfather's truck and I am supposed to fix it for her some day. That day may never come haha. The F150 Lightning is a resto project that I'm going to daily drive until I wear it out when it's done. It's almost finished. The green Mustang is a unmarked Florida state trooper car that I recently sold. The gray primered Mustang that is in pieces is a '92 California state trooper car that I bought from a friend after he took it apart and lost interest. I'm gathering parts for it currently, and I intend to race it if I ever get it done. The drag car is one I just finished recently for a friend. it runs mid 4's on 275 radials. I have a '28 model-A coupe that I would like to build into a traditional hot rod, so yes, I have too many projects.

Keep it coming! I enjoy seeing the renovations on pole barns. We recently reworked the 111+ year old barn at our farm, and are always looking for new ideas.

How did you go about finding the steel truss you used to take out a couple of the interior posts?

GGB

I have an old car buddy that builds steel trusses and puts up pole barns. He took some measurements and built the truss for me and then wouldn't let me pay him for it since I was working on old cars in there.


I got a couple more pieces of OSB hung tonight, and all was going well until my buddy showed up with this Model-A that he wants me to put some headers on. Then, talking about old cars got ahead of working :).
 

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I'll just cut to the chase......I'm frickin' jealous!!!!! Nice rides, nice place to work on them. Yep, jealous and green with envy.
 

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I'm on side with Kevin54....... So ya just have to keep the pics coming. The garage is great, and great projects within..

Glenn
 

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I see the beginning to a well followed barn build. Nice looking stable in it, too bad the radial car isn't yours. I'm guessing it's a turbo/automatic car ?
 
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Thanks for the comments guys...

I see the beginning to a well followed barn build. Nice looking stable in it, too bad the radial car isn't yours. I'm guessing it's a turbo/automatic car ?

It might as well be mine as much time as I've put into it. It's a big block, powerglide, nitrous car. It's set up to run x275 and grudge race. It went 4.80's with a small block, but he has pulled a lot of power out of this big block combination and added a lot of weight to the rear of the car to get it down the track in this heat, so we aren't sure exactly what it's going to do. I'm guessing 4.40's on 275 radials. He ran it on slicks and brought home the money this past weekend at a 28x10.5 / 275 radial race. I'm going with him tomorrow to run it on radials at another track and hopefully repeat last weekend. I'm just glad to be finished with it so I can work on my stuff LOL.


I picked up some lumber today. I told you guys this is a low budget build, so a friend who works at Lowe's got me some culled wood. I got 28 2x4x12's and 7 2x4x10's for a total of 45 dollars! I was shocked when I got there and saw how good this wood is for the price! I'm getting another pile like this ASAP!
 

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So, I'm a car guy, not a carpenter, so I'm trying to decide what to do about a couple of things. One, I'm in the southeastern region of the USA, and on those muggy, rainy days, everything in the building gets wet. Also, on those cold days, there is so much air moving through this building that no amount of heat helps. So, the reasons for doing this work are, warmth in the winter, a reduction in the moisture inside, and I want it to look cool of course haha. I'm not trying to heat and cool it like my home, just enough to be able to work fairly comfortably. So, I'm trying to decide if I should use some sort of barrier under the osb like tar paper or plastic? I'm also wondering how much of a difference I will see with an un-insulated air space between the osb and the outside walls over what I have now? I planned to insulate it, but I can't decide. I also don't want to create any moisture problems inside the walls. Decisions, Decisions....
 
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Insulate with attached vapor barrier? I would guess that would be the way to go.

That was my original plan, and probably what I'll do. I'd love to just put up a vapor barrier and the osb without insulation and spend that money on one of my projects, but I don't want to regret it down the road.
 

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Nice shop. I like these kind of places because to me it looks like lots of work gets done there and it would be a cool place to hang out. The fancy shiny shops look nice but its just not me.

In my pole barn shop, I have been slowly covering the walls with used plywood that I pick up for many of the same reasons you are and I am using double bubble for my insulation/vapor barrier. It has a shiny foil surface on the side facing the exterior and a white surface facing the interior and its made up of what looks like bubble wrap. Its made about a 10 degree difference in temps for me on both keeping it cooler in summer and warmer in winter when I heat it a bit and I havent had much condensation problems at all.
 
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Nice shop. I like these kind of places because to me it looks like lots of work gets done there and it would be a cool place to hang out. The fancy shiny shops look nice but its just not me.QUOTE]

You have me figured out...This shop is a place to get work done. Speaking of that, working on this building is killing me. I'm ready to work on my cars LOL. I don't get many days off, so today gave me a little time to get some work done on my stuff. My helper didn't show up till after lunch, so I didn't get as much done as I'd liked to have, but I did get the shelf done, so I'm happy! I guess tomorrow evening we will remove the old door, take down the cabinet, and take down the work bench along with the rest of the clutter, and get ready to finish out the rest of the wall...hopefully by the end of the week if all goes well.
 

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I got more work done tonight than I thought I would. I ended up having two people to come over to help, which is unusual. I usually work by myself, so it was good to have them. My goal for tonight was to get the cabinet down, the work bench down, and remove the door. With the help, I got all that done, and I got the door hole framed up, got the 1x6 baseboard down, and got one sheet of OSB put up on this wall. I'm happy with that! I'm going to get this wall done and get my work bench rebuilt, then I'm spending some time cleaning up. My shop is a disaster area. Here are before and after pictures of tonight's progress.
 

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:) I got another wall done... Somebody is about to get a twelve and a half foot work bench :D
 

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I'm with Kevin, a bit jealous, make my little 24x24 look tiny....but I will make it work and on the plus side, it will be easier to heat n cool....
 
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I'm with Kevin, a bit jealous, make my little 24x24 look tiny....but I will make it work and on the plus side, it will be easier to heat n cool....

Heating is definately a problem. I've thought many time about having some sort of insulated curtain that I could use to petition off just one stall to work in on those real cold days.
 

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Could you insulate the whole thing and use a wood fireplace to heat it? Or build a partition and insulate that area... I insulated my garage and added a natural gas furnace and it makes it a lot better in the winter...
 
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I have a wood heater already in there, and a small "torpedo" heater, or whatever you call those things. My biggest problem has been that the building isn't sealed up very well. I am working on getting it sealed up and I'm going to insulate the walls while I'm going up with the OSB. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the roof.
 

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I would price out having someone come and install spray foam on the inside if the roof.... It does double duty as both insulation and sound deadening... For my garage walls i used rocsul R-40, vapour barrier, and 5/8 OSB with clear silicone on sides of all the pieces to help seal...
 
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I wasn't in the market for cabinets, but I picked up two of these cabinets at the pawn shop in town yesterday because they were a smoking deal. They are $245 each at home depot and I got them for $100 each. That's a saving of $300! A couple friends helped me unpack them and assemble them last night... I'm real happy about these! I also got a little work done today. I did a little cleaning up and a lot of figuring and measuring. I started framing up another wall. I started in this corner so I can go ahead and rebuild my work bench. I only framed it out four feet from the corner, just enough for one sheet of OSB, because I haven't decided what I'm going to do behind the wood heater. I'm thinking about putting something behind it other than OSB. Maybe metal? :dunno: I didn't hang the OSB because I've got to pick up some insulation next week. I'll be back at it Monday evening.
 

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I haven't decided what I'm going to do behind the wood heater. I'm thinking about putting something behind it other than OSB. Maybe metal? :dunno: I didn't hang the OSB because I've got to pick up some insulation next week. I'll be back at it Monday evening.
You could put cement backer board & tile over it. If you put wood or anything combustible behind the stove, NFPA safety guidelines say you would then need a thermal barrier installed with a 1" gap at minimum from the wood surface & then the stove should be no closer than 12" from that.

Love the shop & I'm digging the 66 chevy. I have a soft spot for that body style. Had a 62 when I was in HS.
 
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Thanks to everyone for your comments...

You could put cement backer board & tile over it. If you put wood or anything combustible behind the stove, NFPA safety guidelines say you would then need a thermal barrier installed with a 1" gap at minimum from the wood surface & then the stove should be no closer than 12" from that.

I don't really want to get into putting up tile. I have enough Hardie panel cement siding (4x8 sheets) left over from another project to cover a 4' wide section of the wall from the floor to the roof behind the heater. If I insulate the wall, then attach the cement board directly to the studs, and use a heat shield on the pipe, what else will I need, and how far would the pipe need to be out from the wall? I've read the heat shields reduce the clearance down to as little as 6", but of course I have plenty of room to work with.
 
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Since my last update, I put insulation in the corner that I had framed out, and I hung a sheet of OSB. As you can see from the pictures, until I decide what I'm going to do behind the wood heater, I can't go any further with this wall. Also, you'll notice a gap in the corner :( this old pole barn isn't exactly square, and it has actually slowed me down quite a bit. I've scratched may head a bit trying to figure out how to work around some of it. I'll just have to do some trim work. The wall that the work bench is attached to is so far out that the back of the bench is 1.25" longer than the front. :eek: I guess that's just how it is with a barn this old. The end of the bench is square next to the toolbox, but I had to build it to fit the out of square corner. It's not very noticeable really, and I'm sure that after I'm done, it will never be thought of again. I'm trying to divide distances here and there to make everything pleasing to the eye. The work bench is coming right along. It's 12'8" long! I hope to have it where I can use it by the end of the week.
 

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Since you know it's out, you'll always think about it. lol. But everyone else will marvel at how great your barn looks.
 

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COOL place!!

Definitely work on getting it sealed and insulated, that will be your biggest bang for the buck. The heat that you do make will stick around longer.

Insulate, insulate, insulate!!
 
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Thanks for the comments. I'm almost done with this work bench. I have to fasten down the top and I'm done. It almost looks too good to work on. My other bench was covered in grease and oil and paint and whatever else you can think of.
 

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Thanks for the comments. I'm almost done with this work bench. I have to fasten down the top and I'm done. It almost looks too good to work on. My other bench was covered in grease and oil and paint and whatever else to can think of.

The nastiness will set in eventually and that thought will merely be a memory...lol.
 
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I thought I'd give you guys an update. I've been working hard on this old barn lately. I decided to go ahead and stick a TV on the wall just to have something to break the boredom since I am by myself most of the time. The speakers are going to be moved, I just stuck them on the workbench to have some noise until I decide on a permanent location. I got my cabinet put back up but I still have to finish the bottom of the shelf.

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I recently got this old drill press... :thumbup:



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I recently got this traffic light, but I have no idea where I'm going to hang it. :dunno:



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It seems like the more I clean up, the more clutter I get... I think I need a building as big as my shop just to keep all my stuff I don't want to throw away. I've moved a lot of stuff around over the past couple of weeks, but unfortunately the pile of stuff in the yard is getting bigger haha. Here are some before and after pics of recent cleaning...



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Now I'm working toward getting this lift installed. A buddy came over tonight and we got the building wired up for it. Tomorrow night I hope to get some chalk lines on the floor and get this thing sitting in place. Maybe I'll get some holes drilled in the floor tomorrow night if everything goes well. Then the plan is to stop working on my building long enough to finish up the work I'm doing to this Model-A. I'd like to get it back in my buddy's shop and out of my way so I can concentrate on my stuff. One thing remains for certain, I still have a lot of work to do!



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Today has been a good day, but a ton of hard work. I finally got my lift installed. I ran into trouble with three anchors earlier this week. The drill bit hit reinforcement wire on three holes, causing the holes to be a little big and the wedge anchors wouldn't tighten up. I epoxied them in last night, and after all is said and done, I wish they were all epoxied in. Wedge anchors pull up as you tighten them, but the epoxied anchors stay right where you put them. I went by the dimensions given in the instructions to determine how far to place the lift from the door, and it seems kind of close. Ammco said place it 126" minimum and I put it 128". I wish I had gone a little further, but maybe it will get by.

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