va.grouseman
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I'd drop $1261.92 on a 625 lb. anvil before you could say "Bob's your uncle"
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Last summer I help a friend haul some junk. He tossed a rusty old vise from the loft and said to put it in scrap iron. I sit it in my shed being a pack rat. It's a Samson and seemed very tight although rusted badly. I finished putting my 2 Wiltons back together this morning, This Samson was calling so I took a little time with a cup wheel and 3-M pad on my grinders. I think there really isn't much wear, just pitting. It's time I make one of those tanks to dip stuff in to finish cleaning. I was hoping to do the Linseed Oil finish which I like the looks of but will the amount of pitting look right with the oil finish??? If I paint, do you all use a sanding primer , then paint? Any idea what the X on the dynamic jaw is for?? This Samson seems like a pretty well made vise, were they??? Thanks for any suggestions and help. Ray
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Fretters
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It'll look fine with either an oil or paint finish. Personally, I never prime. With it being fairly thick in comparison to paint, primer sanitises the look of rough cast too much for my liking.
jwsia
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I would say that vise isn't bad at all either would look good. I would paint it
G20-Budo
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That vise looks alot like my Hollands.. it looks good!
mark18mwm
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I just stumbled on a free huge, Columbian 606 vise. great score, except.... The spindle is broke. I have found one on the net for about $200 but was hoping maybe one of you guys might lead me to find a cheaper one. This vise is in great shape except for the spindle, but I don't think I want to put $200 into it. It appears to be 1 1/8" modified acme thread, would a acme threaded rod fit and I could weld my handle to it? Or, if one of you guys are parting out a vise like this I might be interested in buying a spindle form someone.
Outlawmws
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There is a vise parts swap thread for posts like this.
jaker10
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mark18mwm
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Thank's. Sorry about that, I'll move it.
Nice vise I also have a Samson but its the 4in at 54lbs and yours is the 4 1/2 model at around 70 pounds if im not mistaken on the jaw width. The vise would have been sold by Sears in the 1930s and was made by Rock Island for sears. So you have a sturdy well built vise there for sure.
joe.striper
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Was looking around tonight on the interweb. nd found these. I have no idea what this thing is. Guy wants $175. The big vise is an Athol. 18" high x 27" long w/6" jaws. He wants too much $$ for that one @$500.
Lots and lots of vises on the web tonight.
Lots and lots of vises on the web tonight.
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va.grouseman
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It's a big vise, but isn't that a bit steep given how rough it is?
oldldh
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Joe.Striper---I believe that "Athol" is a Starrett 626...
It is a beast of a combination vise...over 200 pounds, if memory serves...
Zkling---8"'ers are moving in that direction...sad, but true...
What would it bring in pristine, restored condition???
It's going to be like classic Ferraris, "Did I pay too much...Nope, just bought it too soon..."
It is a beast of a combination vise...over 200 pounds, if memory serves...
Zkling---8"'ers are moving in that direction...sad, but true...
What would it bring in pristine, restored condition???
It's going to be like classic Ferraris, "Did I pay too much...Nope, just bought it too soon..."
Outlawmws
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Joe, for that price that three jaw vise is a steal unless damaged in some significant way
at ""In good shape for it age" on the 108; It looks like its been out in the weather for 20-30 years... The wonder is the thing cranks back and forth at all.
at ""In good shape for it age" on the 108; It looks like its been out in the weather for 20-30 years... The wonder is the thing cranks back and forth at all.joe.striper
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Joe, for that price that three jaw vise is a steal unless damaged in some significant way
I see it needs a handle. The metal is fairly pitted, but I can fix that...problem is I'm such a newbie I have to guess if it is complete or not. Oh well, no risk no reward!!! I'm trying to see it tomorrow.
Thanks, I owe you a beer, you and VA Grouseman.
Burgerkong
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Just picked this one up locally for $50, a 4.5" Parker Trojan 705. Haven't weighed it yet, but I'd say a bit less than my Starrett 4.5". Size wise, the two are almost identical. AFAIK, the Trojan line came before the mainstream Parker line with the removable collars? Is it grey or ductile iron, as I seem to recall early Parkers were cast in their Meriden foundry with grey iron before changing foundries and material.
Overall pretty stout, will be getting the dip in the etank then stripped and painted. Action is pretty solid, no slop. Probably holds wood in like no tomorrow!
Overall pretty stout, will be getting the dip in the etank then stripped and painted. Action is pretty solid, no slop. Probably holds wood in like no tomorrow!
drivesitfar
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Burger: nice Trojan and a new member Flav just posted that same vise a couple days ago asking about it. happy to see it found a home in one of our members garages and looks like a great vise.
Zkling: do you see a lot of 8 inch vises for sale? hard to price something that doesn't show up much. that one doesn't look too bad except for the rust which in my book is a lot better than a rattle can disguise.
Outlaw: nice find and if you find any more of those old 4 inch and wider jaw vises for $20 and you can't use them please pick them up for me and start a corner in your garage. i still remember you buying one for $6 so i can't really give you an official you **** on one you paid $20 for.
Get: are you really apologizing? i truly appreciate that. thanks and by the way even your ugly old overly painted vises look great with all that clean cement in the background.
Fretters: your young nick should be happy to have that York weather he leaves it with the linseed oil look or your favorite wine colour. cheers
Zkling: do you see a lot of 8 inch vises for sale? hard to price something that doesn't show up much. that one doesn't look too bad except for the rust which in my book is a lot better than a rattle can disguise.
Outlaw: nice find and if you find any more of those old 4 inch and wider jaw vises for $20 and you can't use them please pick them up for me and start a corner in your garage. i still remember you buying one for $6 so i can't really give you an official you **** on one you paid $20 for.
Get: are you really apologizing? i truly appreciate that. thanks and by the way even your ugly old overly painted vises look great with all that clean cement in the background.
Fretters: your young nick should be happy to have that York weather he leaves it with the linseed oil look or your favorite wine colour. cheers
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by oldldh.
Joe.Striper---I believe that "Athol" is a Starrett 626.
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Old, I believe that one is like sixkidsdad's on page 520, post #10398.---See what you think.
Joe.Striper---I believe that "Athol" is a Starrett 626.
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Old, I believe that one is like sixkidsdad's on page 520, post #10398.---See what you think.
David Jackson
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This may be a bit of a non sequitur but maybe all the vise experts can help me help a friend's daughter who has lost her house and shop because of medical bills and needs to sell what little is left of her dad's shop. He was a logger, that means a guy who had a logging truck and hauled logs for a living. His shop is now pretty dilapidated and there's not much in it of any value. I did see two vises, one Wilton with jaws of about 3 1/2 or 4"; covered with the grime etc. of a half century of use and lacking one of the actual jaw inserts (I don't know if I have the correct terminology here); both parts are there and the moveable part is missing the part which actually holds something. Any idea of value for something like that? the handle turns freely and the moveable part does move OK. I could not tell if the screws which hold the actual holding part were broken off or the holes were still there.
She also has a Rock Island vise although something seems amiss with it. It is pretty dark in the remains of the shop, so detail is hard to come by. Any help you can offer will help her very much.
Thanks to one and all.
She also has a Rock Island vise although something seems amiss with it. It is pretty dark in the remains of the shop, so detail is hard to come by. Any help you can offer will help her very much.
Thanks to one and all.
oldldh
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To paraphrase one of my childhood heroes---Gene Autry....
Yep...
This is another of Starrett's six inchers...a 646....
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Nuts
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Was looking around tonight on the interweb. nd found these. I have no idea what this thing is. Guy wants $175. The big vise is an Athol. 18" high x 27" long w/6" jaws. He wants too much $$ for that one @$500.
Lots and lots of vises on the web tonight.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emmert-6A-B...156?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4627bf603c
Spendy little ******
Nuts
GETRIDAONE
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Joe, link to the Emmert I got a while back. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4161550&postcount=19152
VA, I saw that Reed 108 an hour after he posted it. It is a 2 1/2 ride from me. I still might call this morning and see if he is willing to come down some ?
I missed a nice Wilton C2 ($250) last week
VA, I saw that Reed 108 an hour after he posted it. It is a 2 1/2 ride from me. I still might call this morning and see if he is willing to come down some ?
I missed a nice Wilton C2 ($250) last week
EOC_Jason
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Oh my gawd... I would be all over that Starrett 626 (if indeed it is that)... But then again, you never see any late model Starrett's for sale down here...
That is interesting, I've never seen an old Reed like that with removable jaws. I'm guessing because of it's age (old 3-foot style) that someone milled out the cast-in jaws and fitted some removable ones a long time ago. I'm shocked one of the feet aren't broken, but overall it doesn't look like it was beat on much. Even has pictures of it both open & closed...
GETRIDAONE
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I talked to the guy with the Reed 108, he said he has had several calls and was going to stick to the $500 and see what happens.
Jason, That was a good call on the removable jaws, I hadn't thought about that. It seems to be in good to have worn out two sets of jaws.
Jason, That was a good call on the removable jaws, I hadn't thought about that. It seems to be in good to have worn out two sets of jaws.
FMC1959
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David, first off, not a lot of money in vises, especially medium sized 3-4" models. If you have any pics it would help but assuming they are in good working condition, no cracks or welds, the Rock Island will get you less than $50. The Wilton, if it is a bullet, Combo or machinists, maybe a $100, if it is a Tradesman, a bit less, and if it is either a made in China or other less popular model, then in the $50 range.
With some pics, some of the Wilton experts could probably give you a better idea of the value.
flavc3
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Burger: nice Trojan and a new member Flav just posted that same vise a couple days ago asking about it. happy to see it found a home in one of our members garages and looks like a great vise.
Yup thats the same one....it was about an hour drive for me so I told the guy thanks for the info but he can let it go.
Here's another one if anyone can give me more info on and if its worth the 1 hr drive
Yup thats the same one....it was about an hour drive for me so I told the guy thanks for the info but he can let it go.
Here's another one if anyone can give me more info on and if its worth the 1 hr drive
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drivesitfar
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Flav: that looks like a nice clean old Athol and they are nice working vises. you didn't give many details such as price, width of jaws, but if you like it and it doesn't have any cracks or welds when you see it in person that one should work on anybody's bench nicely.
David J: nice that you want to help a friend, but not a lot to go on with the information you provided. Wilton Jaws might be the most expensive part to replace and not a big vise so not a lot of money there unless the rest of the vise is in pristine shape which it doesn't sound like it is. can you get pictures and model #'s of it to post along with the Rock Island vise? the Rock island vise would be worth some money if it's a big one and not cracked or welded. maybe he had an anvil sitting under a pile of stuff that might be worth something?
good luck
David J: nice that you want to help a friend, but not a lot to go on with the information you provided. Wilton Jaws might be the most expensive part to replace and not a big vise so not a lot of money there unless the rest of the vise is in pristine shape which it doesn't sound like it is. can you get pictures and model #'s of it to post along with the Rock Island vise? the Rock island vise would be worth some money if it's a big one and not cracked or welded. maybe he had an anvil sitting under a pile of stuff that might be worth something?
good luck
flavc3
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he said its 3.5 jaws for $25.....I'm new to vises so I'm not sure, but is that the original "wrench" on the vise. Looks kinda homemade to me?
David Jackson
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Thanks for the input. That's kind of what I was afraid of. I'll see if I can go over to her house again today with my camera and take some flash photos. I am also fearful that there is something really wrong with the Rock Island; and the actual gripping part of the Wilton is missing.
FMC1959
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Are you referring to the swivel lock down? If yes, there are Athol's like that
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1660719&postcount=1
If you are thinking it should be a wrench like on the Parkers, I think Parker may have been the only one to have an actual wrench for the lockdown.
Outlawmws
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I think a couple of other companies may have dabbled with a wrench, but few and far between. even older Parkers (pre 1930 or so) didn't have them.
flavc3
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Yes i meant the lockdown.....good to know thats its not homemade
drivesitfar
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Flav: i'm not sure you'd do wrong buying any old vise for only $25 that isn't cracked or welded so if you like it that is well worth the money. the swivel lever on that Athol is from the factory like FMC tried to show you on the other Athol he gave you a link to.
i know you are a new member and really anxious to own a nice vise, but your questions might get ignored on this thread unless you start asking about 8 or 9 inch wide jaw vises.
i remember buying my first vise and prices were all over the map and i actually spent close to $200 for a Zyliss aluminum vise at a local home show which i still own. we didn't have Craigslist or even the internet 30 years ago so i didn't have the market you do now.
do this and if you still have any questions feel free to ask. Mark of Indiana posted a nice post on the Vise Repair 101 thread i started with some good information about buying a vise and it's post #106 if you don't have time to read the entire thread which you might want to if you want to learn more about vises. also read through this thread which has many many vises and good information along with a little friendly conversation when you have time.
good luck and go buy the $25 vise if it isn't broken and works.
Jason: nice eye on the replaced jaws on the Reed 108. i was looking close for any cracks and welds and the background to get the feel of who the guy might be that owns a 300 pound vise and didn't put the bigger screw's hub and the removable vise jaws together.
i know you are a new member and really anxious to own a nice vise, but your questions might get ignored on this thread unless you start asking about 8 or 9 inch wide jaw vises.
i remember buying my first vise and prices were all over the map and i actually spent close to $200 for a Zyliss aluminum vise at a local home show which i still own. we didn't have Craigslist or even the internet 30 years ago so i didn't have the market you do now.
do this and if you still have any questions feel free to ask. Mark of Indiana posted a nice post on the Vise Repair 101 thread i started with some good information about buying a vise and it's post #106 if you don't have time to read the entire thread which you might want to if you want to learn more about vises. also read through this thread which has many many vises and good information along with a little friendly conversation when you have time.
good luck and go buy the $25 vise if it isn't broken and works.
Jason: nice eye on the replaced jaws on the Reed 108. i was looking close for any cracks and welds and the background to get the feel of who the guy might be that owns a 300 pound vise and didn't put the bigger screw's hub and the removable vise jaws together.
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HandsomeDan
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Just came across this Reed 108 at work :
Mechanic said they were throwing away the vise and bench when he started, so he grabbed it for the shop.
He has two Morgans in there, too, but they're buried in the back.
I told him if he ever leaves and doesn't want it, to give me a call.
Mechanic said they were throwing away the vise and bench when he started, so he grabbed it for the shop.
He has two Morgans in there, too, but they're buried in the back.
I told him if he ever leaves and doesn't want it, to give me a call.
joe.striper
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TO ALL GARAGE JOURNAL VISE NEWBIES:
I've noticed a lot more of you posting here, and I'd like to say the following: If you haven't purchased a vise yet then GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE and end up like me...
Months ago I was clueless, happy and thrilled to have a nice quality Chinese vise on my workbench, but then I found this site and Vises have become an addiction.
By way of proof please examine the attached picture closely. Here is a cart that I purchased and restored this weekend so I had a place to put all the vises that I am in the process of restoring. This is NOT all my vises mind you, these are just the ones I'm currently working on.
Oh and then there are 4-5 more I'm picking up this week. My neighbor called and he has a Parker 104 he wants $20 for. Do I want a Parker 104? No. Do I need a Parker 104? Absolutely NO!! Am I going to buy a Parker 104. You betcha!!!
So in conclusion, run from here as if you were running from a Ru Paul blind date before it is too late, RUN
I've noticed a lot more of you posting here, and I'd like to say the following: If you haven't purchased a vise yet then GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE and end up like me...
Months ago I was clueless, happy and thrilled to have a nice quality Chinese vise on my workbench, but then I found this site and Vises have become an addiction.
By way of proof please examine the attached picture closely. Here is a cart that I purchased and restored this weekend so I had a place to put all the vises that I am in the process of restoring. This is NOT all my vises mind you, these are just the ones I'm currently working on.
Oh and then there are 4-5 more I'm picking up this week. My neighbor called and he has a Parker 104 he wants $20 for. Do I want a Parker 104? No. Do I need a Parker 104? Absolutely NO!! Am I going to buy a Parker 104. You betcha!!!
So in conclusion, run from here as if you were running from a Ru Paul blind date before it is too late, RUN
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Outlawmws
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TO ALL GARAGE JOURNAL VISE NEWBIES:
I've noticed a lot more of you posting here, and I'd like to say the following: If you haven't purchased a vise yet then GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE and end up like me...
Months ago I was clueless, happy and thrilled to have a nice quality Chinese vise on my workbench, but then I found this site and Vises have become an addiction.
By way of proof please examine the attached picture closely. Here is a cart that I purchased and restored this weekend so I had a place to put all the vises that I am in the process of restoring. This is NOT all my vises mind you, these are just the ones I'm currently working on.
Oh and then there are 4-5 more I'm picking up this week. My neighbor called and he has a Parker 104 he wants $20 for. Do I want a Parker 104? No. Do I need a Parker 104? Ab solutely NO!! Am I going to buy a Parker 104. You betcha!!!
So in conclusion, run from here as if you were running from a Ru Paul blind date before it is too late, RUN
Need is so, so, relative...
TO ALL GARAGE JOURNAL VISE NEWBIES:
I've noticed a lot more of you posting here, and I'd like to say the following: If you haven't purchased a vise yet then GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE and end up like me...
Months ago I was clueless, happy and thrilled to have a nice quality Chinese vise on my workbench, but then I found this site and Vises have become an addiction.
By way of proof please examine the attached picture closely. Here is a cart that I purchased and restored this weekend so I had a place to put all the vises that I am in the process of restoring. This is NOT all my vises mind you, these are just the ones I'm currently working on.
Oh and then there are 4-5 more I'm picking up this week. My neighbor called and he has a Parker 104 he wants $20 for. Do I want a Parker 104? No. Do I need a Parker 104? Absolutely NO!! Am I going to buy a Parker 104. You betcha!!!
So in conclusion, run from here as if you were running from a Ru Paul blind date before it is too late, RUN
How do you find so many decent vises in such a short period of time?