KMScott
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Welcome Ale, very nice collection of Parkers. Especially that small one. Keep practicing with your pictures and you will be a champ in no time.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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72CZ
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Like the others have said "Welcome !!"
Ale
Do you have any info on Parkers ?
I have three Parker 87s.
Two of them are cast "Chas.Parker Co USA" and the pipe jaws are pinned in
the lower corner.
The other one is cast "C.Parker Co" and no USA on it.
The pipe jaws are pinned higher,towards the middle of the pipe jaws.
I take it this is an older model.
Anyone know when the started adding the USA to the lettering?
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72 cz ; I don't have much info on vises ,I collected mostly the small ones # 19, 20, paperweights, and salesmens samples. The vises I have do not have the pipe jaws, some where I have a Parker book ,if I find it i'll see if it has some info for you.
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McBrownie
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This weekend I got my Big Girl finished up and mounted. Here are a few pictures of her and her new home. I didn't take as much time prettying her up like I have some of the others. She has work to do.
She was my first real vise purchase and will be my main working vise. Big thanks to Driveitfar for introducing her into my shop.
Nice Holland. Who is hiding behind her?
McBrownie
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McBrownie
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I think the "U.S.A." started around WWI. 1917 seems to stick in my mind, but don't quote me on that.
72CZ
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72CZ
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JeremyBurke
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Thanks McBrownie. That is my dad's, 70th birthday present craftsman 5186. I did a thread on its restoration, link in my signature. It is just sleeping over until he gets moved into his new place. I posted it with my "new" Reed 204R a few pages ago. But just for fun here it is again.
And with the Reed
drivesitfar
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Ale: thanks again for sharing pictures of your crew and i'll speak for myself that i'm jealous of all those nice little vises. i'm sure there are others here that would love to have a few of those (or a few more if they already own some).
i noticed you found the Vise Repair 101 thread and we all would enjoy hearing any thoughts you have on vise repairs or questions you might have if you have any.
ALL: while you are talking about Parker we know that Union bought them in 1957, but when did Union stop making vises or sell their inventory and to who??
i noticed you found the Vise Repair 101 thread and we all would enjoy hearing any thoughts you have on vise repairs or questions you might have if you have any.
ALL: while you are talking about Parker we know that Union bought them in 1957, but when did Union stop making vises or sell their inventory and to who??
ZKLING the winchester is a mod 94 30-30 .it was made in 1896,(antique) there are 9 fact. options. takedown,short rifle,pencil barrel,deluxe wood, pistol grip,tang sight,express sight, 2/3 mag and shotgun ****, traditional guns were my passion. i have more of them than vises, you could say that they were my viCes.
wild cowboy
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Hey guys. I'm looking for more info on Monarch vises. This is what I have so far. The Monarch line was made by Prentiss. Prentiss Vise Co was created by Mason Prentiss of White Creek, NY. He lived from 1872 to 1948. He worked as a gunsmith before working for Hall Manufacturing Co. He ended up buying out Hall to create his own company. PV Co produced vises from 1880-1950 in Watertown, NY. They were bought out by Chas. Parker Co. soon after Mr. Prentiss' death. Parker produced vises under the Prentiss name for a few years in Meriden, CT before absolving Prentiss into the Parker line. I know Monarch was a "budget" line and was lighter duty compared to Bulldog. I'm unclear on the other details of the line, what years the Monarch line was produced, whether or not the line was produced for Monarch Machine Co, why some models have PV Co on the dynamic jaw while other models exclude it, etc. If you guys have any old ads for Monarch vises, it would be cool to see those too. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brad
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PghJKB
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Check into the Monarch Machine Tool Company, maker of Monarch lathes. Based on what I have read, these vises were probably made for them. Their early logo was a Lion Head.
Check out this post on Practical Machinist:
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/monarch-lathes/monarch-history-1909-1929-long-post-203252/
It is too long to get into here, but should provide some insight as to when the Monarch Vises would have been made.
In 1913 Monarch adopted the Lion Head logo, if they trademarked it, you can check the trademark records.
Good Hunting
JKB
Outlawmws
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jkb, Monarch Vises were made by the Prentiss Vise Co. Monarch lathes is a completely different company...
The fact that both used Lion heads is simply that English Royalty (Monarch's), used lions as an emblem for centuries.
The fact that both used Lion heads is simply that English Royalty (Monarch's), used lions as an emblem for centuries.
PghJKB
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Outlaw
Please re-read my post.I said that the vises were probably (bad wording, possibly is a better word choice) made FOR Monarch (by Prentiss).
It seems too much of a coincidence that both Prentiss and Monarch adopt the same logo around the same time - Monarch Machine 1913, and Prentiss Monarch vises sometime after 1911 (Prentiss patented the screw in replaceable jaw in 1911, I have yet to see a Monarch Vise without this type of jaw. Anyone out there have a Monarch vise without replaceable jaws?)
America is the land of litigation, and even though it may be a stretch, I could see one suing the other for trademark infringement. There would be a court record of this somewhere...
Maybe there is no connection, but the pursuit of knowledge is always a positive thing.
JKB
Please re-read my post.I said that the vises were probably (bad wording, possibly is a better word choice) made FOR Monarch (by Prentiss).
It seems too much of a coincidence that both Prentiss and Monarch adopt the same logo around the same time - Monarch Machine 1913, and Prentiss Monarch vises sometime after 1911 (Prentiss patented the screw in replaceable jaw in 1911, I have yet to see a Monarch Vise without this type of jaw. Anyone out there have a Monarch vise without replaceable jaws?)
America is the land of litigation, and even though it may be a stretch, I could see one suing the other for trademark infringement. There would be a court record of this somewhere...
Maybe there is no connection, but the pursuit of knowledge is always a positive thing.
JKB
zoomieport
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You'd better watch what you say, you will be CORRECTED!!! And definitely don't make a joke, or god forbid an assumpition or deduction and he doesn't like jokes and will not tolerate them!
EOC_Jason
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I've posted an old ad a few times, I don't feel like digging it up again, but anyhow it clearly showed that the Monarch vises were made by Prentiss, as kind of their "value" line. Kind of like the difference between the Wilton machinist bullets and the tradesman. If you look at the models side by side each jaw size the Monarch's are lighter in weight.
Outlawmws
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Could Monarch have been a customer? As you said, Possibly. But as was noted Prentiss sold these to the general public See the ads below), and it was a second tier vise. Monarch made some of the best tool room lathes available back in the day. So if they were a Prentis customer, I'd expect them to be buying the top of the line vises.
Hard to trademark a lions head emblem so broadly that EVERY version could be included.
I just done see the linkage so we will have to agree to disagree
Yep supports that it was a public offering.
Zommie, please let it go as a misunderstanding; you posted something you claimed was in jest. I saw nothing in the post that said "I'm funning you guys", and I responded. I was not trying to offend, nor did I try to diss you for what you said. I simply stated my opinion.
Can we let that water go under the bridge?
Gary Indiana
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I got me a nice vintage American made Craftsman for $5 off Chicago's CL.
It is missing the little round "dish" part in clamp. Anybody knows of any way to get or to substitute that bit? Thanks in advance.
It is missing the little round "dish" part in clamp. Anybody knows of any way to get or to substitute that bit? Thanks in advance.
Ale, do you know what the horns were used for in this pic with the Coors? (drooling)...so thirsty now.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=376506&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1412648643
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=376506&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1412648643
Outlawmws
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Gary, you might try forming a fender washer with a small enough hole to pop on there, then peen the button.
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balane
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This little honey here is an American Scale Co. No. 51C. I've never seen nor heard of this model before. It's a 3" vise which weighs 23.4 Lbs and is quite stout for a small jaw vise. It's also pretty big for its size at nearly 15" long. Incredibly clean, free of work marks and with great jaws. It's painted flat black. No idea on the date, it isn't marked that I could see but I would guess 20's or 30's.
EDIT: I didn't have to sand on this vise on bit, it was this smooth when I got it.
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EDIT: I didn't have to sand on this vise on bit, it was this smooth when I got it.
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zoomieport
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Nice work Balane, looks great!
I can get over the size of the main screw "knobs" on the American Scale vises, I've got a 4-1/2" or 5" (can't remember) and the knob is as big as a soup can!
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balane
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Thanks guys.Nice work Balane, looks great!
I can get over the size of the main screw "knobs" on the American Scale vises, I've got a 4-1/2" or 5" (can't remember) and the knob is as big as a soup can!
Yeah, I do not see the benefit of extending the spindle hub like that. American Scale must have had their reasons but I don't understand why it would be that way. If you broke the end off you could cut off the extra, drill a new hole for the handle and plenty of space left.
Maybe they press fitted the screw in the handle knob and wanted a deep tight fit so they extended the knob to get as much holding pressure as possible?
Outlawmws
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Outlawmws
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Nice work Balane, looks great!
I can get over the size of the main screw "knobs" on the American Scale vises, I've got a 4-1/2" or 5" (can't remember) and the knob is as big as a soup can!
Looks NOS, so pretty incredible!I have a 6" AS, and yes the head on that thing is huge!
Gary Indiana
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Outlawmws, thanks for the tip.
What I'm afraid of is that if the dish part isn't sturdy enough then it will flatten while mounting the vise to a table. Maybe a C clamp from Harbor F would have a fitting dish that I could "borrow"?
oldldh
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I believe that is against the law in most states...
Something about "International Transoceanic Incestuous Vise Cross Breeding"...
I think...
GETRIDAONE
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oldldh, I did it but used an American made clamp to avoid inbreeding.