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I am looking for an 8" bench grinder. I would really like something older with a real HP rating, but I have been watching CL for months and there is very little around here. Every so often someone will have a generic 6" for 40.00, but I can get those from WM, HF, Northern etc...
What have you been happy with? Any deals out there?
 
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Baldor would be my first choice, but even if you can find a good used one they are a bit spendy. best bang for your buck is the Craftsman block grinder made before 1980. check out the craftsman block thread if you want to see a lot of happy customers.

also the block has so much support here on GJ that if you need anything including a total rebuild many have done so with great results.

Jet is a brand in my area that has a good name and i think even the old ones were made in Japan.
 

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Baldor is a very good name expensive and they do not come up very often on CL. Dayton is another good name and they come up more often with a lower price tag.
 

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I am looking for an 8" bench grinder. I would really like something older with a real HP rating, but I have been watching CL for months and there is very little around here. Every so often someone will have a generic 6" for 40.00, but I can get those from WM, HF, Northern etc...
What have you been happy with? Any deals out there?

Can you live with 7"? If so, then I agree with driveitfar and look for a 1/2 HP+ CM Commercial Block grinder. These things blow away the current crop of gutless Chinese home center grinders that lie about their power ratings.

The 7" CM block grinders are even more powerful then 7" Baldors.

Here's a "cream puff":
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291268586307?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 

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Baldor is the holy grail. But even Baldor have different levels of quality. Some come with bent metal tool rests. The "good" ones have the cast tool rests.

I could have bought a dozen Craftsman block grinders in the past year around here.

Dayton is a good alternative, though the last couple I saw were Taiwan, so don't just assume USA.
 

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What is the general consensus on DeWalt bench grinders? I don't own one, but thought I had read on here guys liked them making them a good in between option. I can't say I know this a true statement, so that is why I ask. To throw out a good brand I do know, wissota (pretty sure I spelled that wrong). They are still around but out of the bench grinder business. They are every bit the grinder baldor is.
 

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I love my baldor...went with a vented 7" (cheaper that an 8, but more power than the 6").

let me ask this, is there such a thing as too big of a bench grinder? If money were no object would a 10, 12 or 14" be usefull or PITA?
 

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I love my baldor...went with a vented 7" (cheaper that an 8, but more power than the 6").

let me ask this, is there such a thing as too big of a bench grinder? If money were no object would a 10, 12 or 14" be usefull or PITA?

Having been around some 12" and 14" ones pushed by several horsepower, I really don't like them -- they're scary machines with a ton of rotating mass, and if something goes wrong they are not going to stop.

I can't think of a single application where I would prefer one of these monsters instead of one of my burr king belt grinders (someone will be along soon to correct my I'm sure...).

The 6-8" grinders you're looking at are another story, of course -- really useful little machines. I deburr and resharpen carbide lathe tooling on one.
 

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Having been around some 12" and 14" ones pushed by several horsepower, I really don't like them -- they're scary machines with a ton of rotating mass, and if something goes wrong they are not going to stop.

That's why I've always resisted buying a stupidly large grinder. Some of them do look quite ****, but in all honesty, I'd just hate to be anywhere near one of those things if a wheel popped. That would likely take a chunk out of the wall and everything else inbetween. Dread to think how much a new wheel would cost too.
 
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Having been around some 12" and 14" ones pushed by several horsepower, I really don't like them -- they're scary machines with a ton of rotating mass, and if something goes wrong they are not going to stop.

I can't think of a single application where I would prefer one of these monsters instead of one of my burr king belt grinders (someone will be along soon to correct my I'm sure...).

The 6-8" grinders you're looking at are another story, of course -- really useful little machines. I deburr and resharpen carbide lathe tooling on one.

I worked with an old school machinist who had 2 12" grinders. They were beast as far as power goes, but they don't turn any more RPMs than other grinders. (That is were stone failures come from) The thing about these grinders, they are smooooooth. Yes, you knew there was a lot of power there, but it is controlled power and balanced. Whey you shut down power, they would spin for 10+ minutes. Very impressive piece of machinery. He could grind/ sharpen almost every cutter or bit in the place on these, with the exception of the smallest drill bits. he was a true old school master.
 

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That's why I've always resisted buying a stupidly large grinder. Some of them do look quite ****, but in all honesty, I'd just hate to be anywhere near one of those things if a wheel popped. That would likely take a chunk out of the wall and everything else inbetween. Dread to think how much a new wheel would cost too.

Your standard 6in is going to take a good chunk out of you and your wall if it fails at speed. The only time I've heard of it happening is people grinding on the side of the wheel instead of the face.

Large grinders are nice. You can lean on them if you really want material to disappear, but the work exactly the same as a small one if you just want a little finesse cut.
 

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I heard a Burr King mentioned and if you are wanting to get the best and maybe a safer way to grind steel that is my actual first choice. unfortunately i need to eat too so spending $3500 for a new one isn't happening today.

burrking.com in case any of you want the best of the best (or the best one I know) and dream a little or just buy it. maybe when my kids are gone from my fridge and out of college i'll buy one and sell my Baldor and Daytons and keep my Craftsman blocks.

by the way check online either google.com or youtube.com for some grinder accident videos if you want to see what a little grinder can do when a wheel explodes. if it has a small crack or void in the wheel it can explode and you can be using it from the front and not just the side. i now try to stand to the side when grinding, but still have a habit of pushing the part straight into the wheel.
 
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It depends on what you are willing to take a hit on. Time, money or quality. If the $ isn't a problem, by all means go grab a new baldor or the like unit. Then there is ebay for a nice (or not) used craftsman, bluepoint, stanley, delta, baldor, etc. unit that you may need to do some work to.

Or you could buy a cheap off shore unit from a big box store and use it for a while till a nicer one came around, however long that may be.

Good fast cheap, pick two.

If you were local I'd hook you up, but otherwise I think shipping would be a real pain. Maybe, hopefully a local member could help you out. Actually shoot me a PM, where exactly are you in IN?

I worked with an old school machinist who had 2 12" grinders. They were beast as far as power goes, but they don't turn any more RPMs than other grinders. (That is were stone failures come from) The thing about these grinders, they are smooooooth. Yes, you knew there was a lot of power there, but it is controlled power and balanced. Whey you shut down power, they would spin for 10+ minutes. Very impressive piece of machinery. He could grind/ sharpen almost every cutter or bit in the place on these, with the exception of the smallest drill bits. he was a true old school master.

As with most cutting tools, abrasive or not, what matters is SFPM, so typically as diameter increases RPM drops to compensate.
 

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I worked with an old school machinist who had 2 12" grinders. They were beast as far as power goes, but they don't turn any more RPMs than other grinders. (That is were stone failures come from) The thing about these grinders, they are smooooooth. Yes, you knew there was a lot of power there, but it is controlled power and balanced. Whey you shut down power, they would spin for 10+ minutes. Very impressive piece of machinery. He could grind/ sharpen almost every cutter or bit in the place on these, with the exception of the smallest drill bits. he was a true old school master.

same rpm but not the same sfpm.
 

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I'm in the same boat as you except I wouldn't have a problem with doing a whole restore on one. I want a fairly powerful USA made grinder I can run mostly wire wheels and buffing pads on, and sometimes a grinding wheel. I've been looking at craigslist a few times a day everyday for about 8 months and have picked up some great deals, but haven't seen any good bench grinders! I found a block grinder in a barn sale but it was the only thing the guy wasn't selling! I'm even searching ebay but the prices are ridiculous. I'll be curious to see what people have to say
 
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I heard a Burr King mentioned and if you are wanting to get the best and maybe a safer way to grind steel that is my actual first choice. unfortunately i need to eat too so spending $3500 for a new one isn't happening today.

I absolutely love my Burr King 760's and agree that they're the best belt grinder out there (with a nod to KMG and a couple smaller operations).

However, there are several companies that make less expensive belt grinders, and you can grab one for roughly the same price as a nice stone grinder. I don't know what the OP wants to grind, but for most applications I usually recommend a belt grinder instead of a 6-8" stone grinder (and I have several of each to compare). Abrasives on belts have improved in leaps and bounds in the last 35 years -- you may as well take advantage.

So, what are you grinding OP?
 

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Keep an eye on the auction sites that get the stuff schools and local municipal govts. sell off. I picked up an 8" baldor a couple of years ago for around 50 bucks. They seem to show up every now and then.
 

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When I went looking for a grinder I wasn't happy with what was coming up on the local ads so I posted a wanted ad literally saying "Big heavy old grinder wanted".

Within a week I had an 8" queen city for $40. Its a little uncommon, but it is powerful, all cast iron, and weighs a ton.

I'm really happy with it. Wanted ads are awesome.
 
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Lowes has a 8 inch 3/4 HP Porter Cable for $99, my store has them on clearance for $70.

Should be better than a HF 8 inch grinder no?

I can always return it if its no good.
 

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I've got a Metabo ds200.Brought it in from Germany. 220 but I'm sure they have a 110. All said and done it was about $500
 

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OP why not go over to the practical machinist forums and see if those guys can hook you up ? Those are the folks that use that tool daily.
 

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Having been around some 12" and 14" ones pushed by several horsepower, I really don't like them -- they're scary machines with a ton of rotating mass, and if something goes wrong they are not going to stop.

I can't think of a single application where I would prefer one of these monsters instead of one of my burr king belt grinders (someone will be along soon to correct my I'm sure...).

The 6-8" grinders you're looking at are another story, of course -- really useful little machines. I deburr and resharpen carbide lathe tooling on one.
Where I went to school for welding there was a very large 2hp floor stand grinder. I don't remember the exact wheel size but it did have the largest wire wheel I had ever seen on a bench grinder. It was mainly used for cleaning rusty metal and the slag off welds. It had a ridiculous amount of power/torque and absolutely would not stop/slow down unless turned off. The thing I remember most is what happened to one of the kids when he decided to use it without gloves. He ended up taking a trip to the hospital with bone showing through a couple spots on his fingers where the tissue had been instantly ripped away.
 

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You can't compare 6" grinders with 10" and 12" grinders. They're intended for different purposes. A 6" grinder is excellent for sharpening small tooling--lathe tool bits, drill bits, chisels, etc. 10" and 12" grinders are for removing large quantities of materials from large objects, cleaning flash off of castings, grinding welds smooth, etc.

If you do both fabrication and sharpening, you need more than one grinder.

Belt grinders--actually belt sanders for metal--are excellent choices for a lot of the things formerly done on grinders, including sharpening.

Burr-King, Baldor and Kalamazoo are three good choices for belt grinders. The first two are the best, and also the most expensive by far. They're both USA-made. Kalamazoo is cheaper, generally adequate for home or light-duty industrial use, and also made in USA.

Once you've used a brand-name USA-made grinder that is in good condition with quality balanced wheels, you'll never again be satisfied with an Asian import grinder of any sort.

The DeWalt and Porter-Cable grinders previously mentioned are little to no different in quality and operation than most other Chinese made grinders.

AFAIK, Baldor is the only remaining USA maker of conventional bench grinders. They are not cheap. Nor are they as good as they were 20 or 30 or more years ago, but they are the best thing available if you want to buy new.

If you're willing to do a little work to tune up, repair or restore a quality used grinder, there are lots of options available. You may have to willing to spend some time searching for replacement parts or even fabricate them yourself. Even if you don't want to do that, and want to buy new, you may well find yourself doing tune up and modifications to a new grinder to improve the crappy tool rests that most of them come with, and balancing or replacing the even crappier grinding wheels almost all of them come with.

There are many brands of older grinders that can be every bit as good as Baldor when they're restored to proper running condition, and they'll usually cost you far less than an equivalent-sized Baldor. Mainly, you'll have to look for grinders that are 25+ years old to find quality.

Some name brand recommendations for high-quality used grinders:

Black & Decker 6", 8" and 10" grinders made before 1980. These date from the era most young people don't even know existed, when Black & Decker made well-respected industrial tools, but stay away from the small light homeowner-style 5" and 6" models that along with all the rest of B&D's name brand dilution ultimately helped destroy B&D's reputation for quality.

Craftsman 6" and 7" block grinders" made between the early-1950s and the mid-1980s. Craftsman also offered some conventional-style grinders in the 1940s and 1950s that were excellent quality.

Dayton/Grainger brand grinders made before 1980. Make sure they're USA-made.

Delta and Rockwell 6" and 7" grinders made in the USA before 1990. These are arguably every bit as good as or better than any 6" and 7" Baldor ever made.

Doerr 6", 7" and 10" grinders made between 1950 and the mid 1980s. Doerr was originally the "dor" in Baldor (Edwin Ballman and Emil Doerr). Doerr mostly made high-quality grinders for other brands, including Dayton/Grainger, Delta, Rockwell, Milwaukee and others. They're among the best bench grinders ever made in the US.

Stanley 6" and 7" grinders made between the 1930s and late 1970s.

Wissota grinders. Wissota made grinders under their own name and also for many other brands, including Delta, Blue-Point, Snap-On and Milwaukee.

Other good grinder brands, mostly dating before the 1960s:

Atlas, Brown-Brockmeyer, Ex-Cell-O, Millers Falls, Skil, Thor, Walker-Turner.
 

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AFAIK, Baldor is the only remaining USA maker of conventional bench grinders. They are not cheap. Nor are they as good as they were 20 or 30 or more years ago, but they are the best thing available if you want to buy new.

I think Baldor is popular because their machines are good quality at a relatively inexpensive price point. They're not the only ones in the business, however.

U.S. Electrical Tool is still in business. Their smallest machine, the Model 500, makes any size Baldor look like a toy.

http://www.uselectricaltool.com/

Cincinnati Electrical Tool is also still around:

http://www.cincinnatielectrical.com/
 

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Where I went to school for welding there was a very large 2hp floor stand grinder. I don't remember the exact wheel size but it did have the largest wire wheel I had ever seen on a bench grinder. It was mainly used for cleaning rusty metal and the slag off welds. It had a ridiculous amount of power/torque and absolutely would not stop/slow down unless turned off. The thing I remember most is what happened to one of the kids when he decided to use it without gloves. He ended up taking a trip to the hospital with bone showing through a couple spots on his fingers where the tissue had been instantly ripped away.

Well, you aren't supposed to wear gloves around rotating machinery. He lost some skin, dumb mistake but he'll live with a scar and a respect for rotating machinery. If he was wearing a glove and it got sucked in, he may not have gotten to keep that finger, maybe even hand.
 

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WWII: awesome post and very informative. looks like the start of a great thread naming all the good grinders ever made.

APmech: nice add to WWII's list because i had a Cincinnati bench grinder that i sold to my car mechanic that he loves. he was also able to call the company and get information about it, parts, and found out it was built in 1946.

ALL: anybody have one of the pre 1940's belt driven grinders that they are happy with and how safe is it to have an open stone grinder without a tool rest when you are sharpening?
 
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It's mine, that was a plug. The paint I used was horrible and it was cold. I won't use that brand again. I'm guessing the bidding won't break $100 on it.
 

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you guys keep forgetting to mention the 1hp 8" craftsman block. picked mine up for $50

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Sorry about that, I wasn't trying to push a button. I will watch an see.
:) It's OK. I had this industrial red paint by Balchan. Never heard of it before, never used it before. Took the whole grinder apart, stripped it all down and then this paint was giving me fits. I'm sure the temperature had something to do with it but I've painted plenty of things in similar weather and didn't have a tenth of the frustration this paint gave me. It's really thick and seems pretty rugged so I'll give it that. Still, runs **** and I didn't feel like redoing it all because it's not a grinder brand that a lot of people go looking for. I don't think it will get a lot of bids but it runs like a raped ape and is a really nice USA made grinder.
 
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It's mine, that was a plug. The paint I used was horrible and it was cold. I won't use that brand again. I'm guessing the bidding won't break $100 on it.

I am definitely interested. I have been using rustoleum professional and sometimes adding some hardener to it. I have tinted some to match IH red for my cub project. Working well so far.
 
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Check your craigslist for wilton grinders as well. Mine is made by Wissota and is an exact wissota clone. Ilike it bbetter than my Baldor
 
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