dngrmse
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Interesting vise in Picture #6 of this CL ad. Any idea as to what it may be?
http://newhaven.craigslist.org/tls/4724622519.html
http://newhaven.craigslist.org/tls/4724622519.html
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KMScott
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Re: Early Parker double swivel vise help needed
Here is my drawing for the 1/2 inch model, I am sure you could find some one with a lathe to whip one out to your specifications. I do not own a metal lathe and built these on my CNC. I think yours was designed for a 7/16 shaft and the threaded ends were 5/16:18 thread. I would support these more but none have sold, maybe $35 is to much for one. I have seen 5 and 6 inch overall lengths.
Here is my drawing for the 1/2 inch model, I am sure you could find some one with a lathe to whip one out to your specifications. I do not own a metal lathe and built these on my CNC. I think yours was designed for a 7/16 shaft and the threaded ends were 5/16:18 thread. I would support these more but none have sold, maybe $35 is to much for one. I have seen 5 and 6 inch overall lengths.
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Neverfly
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There are two vises pictured and both obscured from view.
I'm tempted to email them and ask them to either provide more pictures or identify (Though if they were amicable, I wouldn't want to slather a spoiler in thread for those wanting to test their prowess at figuring it out from the little bit visible.)
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TreePointer
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Yeah, the slide does look like similar to the Hollands vise here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2825306&postcount=6999
However, the styling of the jaws looks different on that CL vise. Also, the CL vise slide looks round, as opposed to the upside down "U" shape of the Hollands.
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Canoe50
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I never did go look at it. The pictures were clear & good enough to see what he had.
You & I were thinking alike, as I asked about selling just the vise, but he didn't want to separate them. I actually thought about buying & flipping them on ebay, which is something I never do. But I have no doubt that would have brought huge $ on ebay, given the stand that came with it. But given the total weight, it's not something I'd want to ship. So that would obviously keep the bidding down to some degree.
I realize they are rare & trust me, I went back & forth in my mind with that one. At $500, it certainly wasn't the $ holding me back. If I had gone & looked at it, I seriously doubt I would have left without it. I do have his little brother, a C2 in very nice shape from CL.
I remember when I bought that Record from you awhile back you said you were looking for a big Wilton, so I thought you may have been the one who grabbed it. But obviously it wasn't. What kept you from pulling the trigger? Just didn't want the stand? The words 'heavy duty" aren't good enough to do that stand justice & it certainly complimented the C3. Quite the package.
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Canoe50
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I don't know what it is with the whole vice thing but these tools really resonate with me.
Here is a recent purchase. Record Auto-Vice No. 74.
Does anyone have a code for the correct record red?
I am thinking of restoring this but I also like the patina... Can't have it both ways
excuse poor lighting
Picked up one not long ago exactly the same, just finished cleaning it up with some boiled linseed oil to bring up the original paint. Jaw opening capacity is 4.25" with the "tongue" fully supported. It could go another inch if it had to.
I don't have a code for the red, but the freshest paint on mine was under the swivel base. The underside of the swivel base of the vise body were a light grey. The lettering is picked out in black.
I put a set screw in mine to hold the little round anvil in place; original screw must have got lost. Just need to make some soft jaws for it.
Read somewhere the No.74 and No.75 have cast steel bodies, not cast malleable iron like other Records.
Nice little vise. Not sure why they put the screw above the shaft when it would have been better protected underneath. The pressed steel screw cover is nickel plated on mine.
This is my smallest vise; they are little beauties!
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Momentary lapse of reason.
In fact, I may stop at the bank on the way home so I'll have a stack of 100s' close at hand in case something else comes up [assuming I see it before you do!]
ganymede
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drivesitfar
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Ganymede: it looks like a pin holding the spring and main screw with maybe a braze weld on top or holding the pin in your dynamic jaw. not sure what to tell you if it won't pull out. maybe post this question over on the Vise Repair 101 thread and maybe someone over there can help if they don't see your post here.
Canoe: awesome duo you have there rolling around in your shop. i really like your stands almost as much as your Starrett 926 and Wilton C2. I'm wondering if you are planning to take them off the wheels once you have a permanent spot for them or do you plan on using the vises with the stands on the rollers and do they have good stops on them? when you get time to take a few pictures of the rest of the crew please do and thanks for sharing. also that looks like a fair size grinder sitting waiting to work.
ViseSquad: not a bad name you chose to join the Forum with and then post a very interesting vise on the main vise thread. welcome and looking forward to seeing pictures of your other vises when you get some time.
Canoe: awesome duo you have there rolling around in your shop. i really like your stands almost as much as your Starrett 926 and Wilton C2. I'm wondering if you are planning to take them off the wheels once you have a permanent spot for them or do you plan on using the vises with the stands on the rollers and do they have good stops on them? when you get time to take a few pictures of the rest of the crew please do and thanks for sharing. also that looks like a fair size grinder sitting waiting to work.
ViseSquad: not a bad name you chose to join the Forum with and then post a very interesting vise on the main vise thread. welcome and looking forward to seeing pictures of your other vises when you get some time.
Gahhhh!!! Ha ha ha. I get a kick out of seeing monster vises like these. Nicely done.
Hi guys,
This is my first post here. I am looking to buy a decent bench vise and after looking for some information I quickly stumbled upon this forum and immediately decided to register. Dang, there's some good info here!!! I'm living in Belgium and near my place there's a york vise for sale for €30:
http://www.kapaza.be/nl/doe-het-zelf-en-bouw-overige/bankschroef-88779146.htm
This weekend I'm going to take a look, but I have a feeling I'm going to buy it anyway after reading several of the threads here about the history of york/wilton and so on.
By the way, have you seen this restoration project?
http://pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=2995
Clear step by step explanation and pictures.
I'm glad I've found this community!!
This is my first post here. I am looking to buy a decent bench vise and after looking for some information I quickly stumbled upon this forum and immediately decided to register. Dang, there's some good info here!!! I'm living in Belgium and near my place there's a york vise for sale for €30:
http://www.kapaza.be/nl/doe-het-zelf-en-bouw-overige/bankschroef-88779146.htm
This weekend I'm going to take a look, but I have a feeling I'm going to buy it anyway after reading several of the threads here about the history of york/wilton and so on.
By the way, have you seen this restoration project?
http://pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=2995
Clear step by step explanation and pictures.
I'm glad I've found this community!!
ganymede
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thanks drivesitfar.
Sorry for the lousy camera phone pic. The contraption consists of a spring sandwiched between two mild steel spacers. They are held in place by a cotter pin. It passes through a hole drilled through the main screw.
Just wondering if anyone else has seen this arrangement.
Fretters
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It tends to be a common setup over here. The benefit of it is that it means there's zero backlash on the screw. They can occasionally be a pain in the **** to remove when you're stripping them though.
Fretters
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They're likely intended for quite heavy use, (abuse). I believe that's why they put the screw above. The slide is solid steel, so theoretically can take far more abuse than a standard slide arrangement would, but obviously they would have weakened the slide immensely by trying to enclose the screw.
ganymede
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It tends to be a common setup over here. The benefit of it is that it means there's zero backlash on the screw. They can occasionally be a pain in the **** to remove when you're stripping them though.
Ha. Thank you sir.
I had to remove everything to shim the gap between the main screw and the slide.
Yes, replacing the cotter pin was un-fun . ��
UncleDirty
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Here's mine that has been in the family for a while.
This vice was on my grandpa's (Popo) work bench in Montebello for as long as my mom can remember. My grand parents were in this house from around 1940 to 1971. When they sold the house my dad grabbed the old vice from the bench it had been on for who knows how long. He painted it red and around 1979 is when I made the base for it using an old wheel off of my other grandpa's (Grandad) van. Popo's vice on Grandads wheel.
Here's how it looks today. (not sure when it got hit with the over spray)
I still use this vice all the time.
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This vice was on my grandpa's (Popo) work bench in Montebello for as long as my mom can remember. My grand parents were in this house from around 1940 to 1971. When they sold the house my dad grabbed the old vice from the bench it had been on for who knows how long. He painted it red and around 1979 is when I made the base for it using an old wheel off of my other grandpa's (Grandad) van. Popo's vice on Grandads wheel.
Here's how it looks today. (not sure when it got hit with the over spray)
I still use this vice all the time.
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Outlawmws
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Gany,
Athol/Starrett did the zero backlash spring, and a couple other companies did here and there. You can get a tube that just clears the threads and notch it to clear the pin to make both install and de-install easier.
Uncle, that is an incredible Heirloom for an older Parker! definitely an 1800's vise!
Athol/Starrett did the zero backlash spring, and a couple other companies did here and there. You can get a tube that just clears the threads and notch it to clear the pin to make both install and de-install easier.
Uncle, that is an incredible Heirloom for an older Parker! definitely an 1800's vise!
ganymede
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Awww man, what an idea. It beats the heck out of fumbling with vice grips.
Thanks Outlaw.
va.grouseman
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This Parker don't look too bad but it is covered with paint which covers a multitude of sins.---Some member in that area may want to check it a little closer.
http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/tls/4726272314.html
http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/tls/4726272314.html
ganymede
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Big nut to replace the handle ball. Annoying and could indicate abuse.
Same for missing swivel handle.
Other than that it looks pretty good. Saddle looks tight too.
dimwittedmoose51
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I'm getting in a little late on the vise show here, but just picked up two Wards Master Quality vises at a barn sale. The Flatop is kinda cool loking, It has V-115 and V-116 stamped on the 4" model, and the little one is a 3". Does the "Malleable" designation help date the flat top??
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EOC_Jason
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Yep, my 924-1/2 is like that too. When re-installing I used a couple big screwdrivers and pushed the rear ring back with them till it cleared the hold for the cotter pin. Wasn't too terribly bad.
Canoe50
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Good idea having that mad money available......I always do.
I don't know what's been worse, discovering this site or Craig's List. The combination of the 2 has certainly put a dent in my wallet, but hey, it's only money. And being retired & in a pretty good position financially, it's always fun to check out the flea markets & C L to see what pops up. Like they say, the chase is half the fun.
What I struggle with now is need vs. want, case in point the C3. At 64 years old, there really isn't much I need at this point in my life. I sure as hell don't NEED 20 vises, but I have them.
Don't worry about me beating you to another vise....I'm done. They're all yours.
ganymede
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Thank you.
I'll keep these alternatives in mind when it comes apart again.
I'm thinking about replacing the spring deal with a collar and a set screw.
The spring puts so much tension that I think it makes the slide wobble more than it would otherwise.
I like the idea of no lost motion but the wobble is too much.
Canoe50
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Thanks. Picked up both stands on C L awhile ago, before I bought either vise. Haven't decided what I'll do permanently, so for the time being mobile it is. It just works out better for me with my limited space & moving things around.
I made up the dollies with good HD casters & yes, both have good brakes all around.
I'll try to get more pictures at some point, just not sure when. Too many things going on at the moment.
EOC_Jason
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Yeah, at first I bought some bronze thrust washers, but even that little added thickness made it impossible to install the spring. When I get a little free time I'm going to look for a shorter / weaker spring that won't be under as much compression.
drivesitfar
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Jason: wouldn't a sleeve like Gany mentioned be a good option to maybe removing the spring all together? that way if you did have any slop your bronze thrust washers could be used to remove any slop if the sleeve couldn't be put in the exact position to eliminate any. just a thought.
i think the Record vices also have those springs on them, but some of those i think have to be there because of the quick release mechanism.
Canoe: Sounds like you have a plan and whenever you get the rest of the gang out of the corners for the family picture we'll still be here. have you tried to put anything in the big vises on those stands with the rollers under them? since your vises are a couple of BIG guys I was just wondering if they might tip over and be top heavy with the wheels under the stands. i hope i'm wrong because i have several big stands i'd like to put wheels under if that would work.
i think the Record vices also have those springs on them, but some of those i think have to be there because of the quick release mechanism.
Canoe: Sounds like you have a plan and whenever you get the rest of the gang out of the corners for the family picture we'll still be here. have you tried to put anything in the big vises on those stands with the rollers under them? since your vises are a couple of BIG guys I was just wondering if they might tip over and be top heavy with the wheels under the stands. i hope i'm wrong because i have several big stands i'd like to put wheels under if that would work.
EOC_Jason
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Yeah, a simple collar like on the old style Reed's or Prentiss' would work, and I've seen those available at my local Sears Hardware would probably work just fine. Fortunately Athol made their dimensions round numbers, like I believe the spindle is 1" wide.
But with the spring setup it holds the handle at any angle, so you can open just a hair without having the handle wanting to swing all the way down on you.
So it's just one of those things of how much effort you really want to put into tweaking something.
But with the spring setup it holds the handle at any angle, so you can open just a hair without having the handle wanting to swing all the way down on you.
So it's just one of those things of how much effort you really want to put into tweaking something.
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by Canoe50.
What I struggle with now is need vs. want, case in point the C3. At 64 years old, there really isn't much I need at this point in my life. I sure as hell don't NEED 20 vises, but I have them.
Don't worry about me beating you to another vise....I'm done. They're all yours.
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I said that same thing at twenty vises.---That was 35 vises ago.---Your are hooked, you're just in denial.---It's a good addiction.---Embrace it!
What I struggle with now is need vs. want, case in point the C3. At 64 years old, there really isn't much I need at this point in my life. I sure as hell don't NEED 20 vises, but I have them.
Don't worry about me beating you to another vise....I'm done. They're all yours.
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I said that same thing at twenty vises.---That was 35 vises ago.---Your are hooked, you're just in denial.---It's a good addiction.---Embrace it!
scooternut
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picked this up today. What little I do know from this forum, Smiths Combination vise No 3 possibly made by Oswego (Ny), sold by the Oil Well Supply Co, Pittsburgh PA (actually Oil City PA). This co was bought out in the 30's. Ill give it it;s own thread when I get into it
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oldldh
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Scooternut...
I'll bet that is a "Drill Pipe" clamper...
I'll bet that is a "Drill Pipe" clamper...
McBrownie
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Attention Craftsman fans. Take a look at this beauty. Wish I could post a picture, but can't right now.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/tls/4718051928.html
Edit: Got my hands on a better device. Here is a picture.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/tls/4718051928.html
Edit: Got my hands on a better device. Here is a picture.
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Nice vise though, I wish it was local.oldldh
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McBrownie
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Oldie, I'm glad you took a look. I wanted to know if was one of the "elusive" Craftsmans. It looks like a nice vise, but a little out of my budget given its "non-elusivity".
scooternut
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Actually it is missing the other pipe jaw. As i've seen in pics, it was so big that you had to remove it in order to fully close the upper jaws, so, they all seem to be missing. I did see a pic on where someone still has theirs.