The VISES of Garage Journal

[Thrumcap]

Hey guys

a touch off topic - is there a master thread for anvils on GJ? I have a Peter Wright I just picked up and I'd like to post some pics for community reference.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Hey guys

a touch off topic - is there a master thread for anvils on GJ? I have a Peter Wright I just picked up and I'd like to post some pics for community reference.

You mean this thread? http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33788

 

[Blue Frog]

Help me out with this vice please - a Paragon No 4 Hi Duty - showing up on a local auction - looks to be in good condition. How high should I go?





Blue

 

[hemdale]

Love the Bockhaus Heuer exchangable jaws. Any good opinion on the quality of brockhaus heuer vises ?


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

 

[drivesitfar]

Blue: are you sure it's Paragon because i think it's a Paramo which is English made. since it's only a 4 inch vise it's probably worth $100 to $150 cleaned up, but they are getting harder to find. considering it's condition maybe worth $50-$75 and less would be better if you are not planning on keeping it. maybe if you search Paramo vice instead of Paragon you might have better luck in your searching.

good luck

Hemdale: you might ask Monte and the tools of the old world thread that same question because we don't get many of those on this thread.

 

[Blue Frog]

Blue: are you sure it's Paragon because i think it's a Paramo which is English made.

I stand corrected - it is Paramo. Thanks for letting me know.

Blue

 

[Monte]

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These vises should be available here in EU: (+ more )
schlegel, Peddinghaus, ridgid, kanca, brockhaus heuer, leinen, Dolex,
Sambre et Meuse, York, boley, Gisag, FZA, Ursus, record, Bison, Ariex, Küpper, Palmera, Acesa

or look for DDR/GDR vices...:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from...TR3.TRC1.A0.H0&_nkw=Schraubstock+DDR&_sacat=0

 

[flames unlimited]

I sure do enjoy reading this thread and all the great info!!! I thought I would get involved and post a few pics of the Morgan 289 1/2 I recently acquired. I didn't want to restore it because i plan on using it, but i disassembled it gave it a good cleaning and greased all the moving parts. It had some original paint but unfortunately it had been spray bombed and it was all flaking off so i gave it a light wire wheeling.The only real damage is to the swivel base handles but i think will leave them as is. Its also missing 2 of the 3 pipe jaws. The guy I got it from claims its from the old Reading Railroad which was only a few miles from me, but he had no proof .I gave $200 for it not including the stand which I made.

 

[jrobb316]

I'm going to check this Prentiss 20 tomorrow. Do you think the chip in the dynamic housing is anything to get excited about, or just chalk it up to a character mark? I've been looking for one of these for a while now and would love to pick it up. Thanks!

 

[jakemac]

Do you think the chip in the dynamic housing is anything to get excited about, or just chalk it up to a character mark?

Consider it a "bargaining chip". Use it to try to get the price lowered.

If you plan on refurbing the vise, then you could fill it in by welding. Then hide it with paint.

If you plan on just cleaning it up, then ignore it. It won't effect it's performance in any significant way.

 

[drivesitfar]

JRobb: looks like a decent vise except for that one chip so i agree with Jake's comments. show more pictures once you buy it if it checks out in person.

Monte: your knowledge of tools of the old world is awesome and thanks for stopping in and sharing some of your wisdom. by the way which vises do you like using on a daily basis?

Flame: i have to say that is some vise and some stand to post. is that an 8 inch wide jaw? i really like your stand you built and i noticed an adjustment screw on the side of it so did you make it adjustable?

 

[va.grouseman]

flames,---That is a really nice Morgan.---You can make the pipe jaws and straiten the swivel handle with not too much trouble if you want it back to original.---Jaws look hardly used, no hammer tracks, one grinder track which you can fill.---A lot of potential for $200.00.

 

[jrobb316]

He listed it on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-PRE...498?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2598325d6a

Didn't sell and I found it on CL. Good pics on the ebay auction. Looks great except for the one spot where someone "missed".

 

[flames unlimited]

It has a 6 inch jaw, the bolt on the side of the stand locks the 2 pipes together so i can take the vise off and use the base for whatever??? It can also be used to adjust the height, it is bottomed out in the pics.The bottom of the stand is a big truck brake drum that i welded some rebar in and filled it with concrete, the whole unit weighs close to 500 lbs!! I'm estimating?? I wanted it to be real solid but still be able to roll it outside for big grinding jobs. And the vise is very heavy and I didn't want it be top heavy.

 

[autopts]

I sure do enjoy reading this thread and all the great info!!! I thought I would get involved and post a few pics of the Morgan 289 1/2 I recently acquired. I didn't want to restore it because i plan on using it, but i disassembled it gave it a good cleaning and greased all the moving parts. It had some original paint but unfortunately it had been spray bombed and it was all flaking off so i gave it a light wire wheeling.The only real damage is to the swivel base handles but i think will leave them as is. Its also missing 2 of the 3 pipe jaws. The guy I got it from claims its from the old Reading Railroad which was only a few miles from me, but he had no proof .I gave $200 for it not including the stand which I made.

Nice Morgan, Don't be too concerned about the pipe jaws. The original
On the Dynamic is long taking away the throat of the vise to hold deeper stock. It a nice older Morgan and leaving as is smart. This Milw. Morgan was made for a while adding a new feature in there swivel base which was great.

 

[Tarnished]

Picked up this quest at a local auction today and thought I would add to the continuing post.



Pretty nice original condition (I believe) C3 dated March 1986. Has virtually NO battle scars and jaws are pristine. Don't think it has ever been used, and if so VERY lightly. Even came on its own stand! Vise is too large for this stand, but I have a swap in mind.
Looks like I am going to be needing a couple of lock down's and a new end cap. Anyone know if there is a freeze plug that would work? Also, what size are the lock down's, and do I need to go to Wilton for them?
Payed way more than I wanted, but I'm pretty happy with end result.

Couldn't believe how much bigger this thing is compared to the 5" on bench.

 

[bluebolt]

Whoop Whoop just became a member of the 8" vise club! Pictures and story tomorrow.

So Friday I did a Craigslist search for vises and nothing local.

And then I did a viCe search!
And up pops an ad for a big Reed vice with 8" jaws! And going by the UMD Coke can in the picture it was jaw width, not opening.

So a phone call and a few hours later I was checking out the vise. Late Reed 508N stationary base. This is the lighter weight Columbian casting, about 150 pounds I would guess. A noticeable difference is the jaw inserts are Wilton style rectangular ones held on by two screws, not the Columbian T style jaws. This is important since the jaw inserts were missing! Other than that the vise is in good shape, straight main handle, no welds or weld spatter, slide does not have any hammer marks.

I could not find a 508N Reed vise but did find 308N stationary and 308S swivel base Reed vises here https://www.reedmfgco.com/en/products/product-part-pdfs/vises/machinists-vises/

Mine may be a miss-stamp, the 8 is sideways anyways and looks like this 50ooN might be a Monday morning vise LOL. If these came out of the Columbian plant a miss-stamping is possible.

I actually found an old 2004 Reed price sheet for new jaws. List price for jaw facings with screws was $365!
Since the old screw holes are messed up anyways I will be talking to Brother Scott about doing some Wilton 800 jaws with different screw holes. The dimensions on his website look good, the up and down recess is 1.4" tall so his 1.5" tall jaws should work good.

I also picked up a Wilton C0 combo vise in good physical shape, straight main and swivel handles and the main and pipe jaws look decent. Missing the rear cap like always.

I also picked up 4 hardware drawers with the sorting inserts.

Total was $225.

 

[Monte]

by the way which vises do you like using on a daily basis?

i´m only a hobby user so i use them only on the weekend. I have a small 100mm Heuer vice mounted on a rolling workbench because of the low weight and compact design and two Leinen vises in 125 and 150mm mounted on my 2 work benches. They open and close butter smooth without any force so you can open/close them with your small finger. They´re my favourites.

 

[oldldh]

Here is another one for you, oldie. The sun wasn't cooperating this afternoon but it did come out for just a few shots.

Someday I'll get some in the full sun so everybody can bask is the Arrest Me Red I used

I hope it's to your satisfaction

About the time you were posting the photos of "The 5198", I was in the "Recovery Room/Intensive Care Unit" over in Mobile...

Ten days ago, I found out that I had a small (2.5cm) Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm...I had never heard of these things...

After a CT scan last Thursday, my Dr said my AAA was really "huge" (6.5cm), and he wanted to operate on me Friday morning...

(These things affect 20 to 30% of the males between 65 and 75 years of age...if it ruptures, the mortality rate is about 90%...mine was so big, I was really lucky that it was found...I could have dropped dead, at anytime in the last five years!!!)

The surgery involves making two four inch incisions in your groin, and inserting a stent/stents (I got three) in your Aortic artery...

To make a long story short---Surgery Successful, Oldie is back home, and recovering...

YEA!!!...HOORAY!!!---(If you are a smoker, and in the age window---GET CHECKED OUT!!!...at 0100 Friday morning, I became a "Former Smoker"...Motivation is wonderful stuff!!!)

And now on to important stuff...

BC you did a fantastic job on the 5198!!!

The color is "perfectissimo"!!!

Your collection "*****", maybe, now that my plumbing is fixed, I may try to emulate yours...

Put a---

YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!

On your report card...

I wish it had been cheaper and closer, I'd have had it, but it looks like it went to a good home, and got a "Proper Restoration"...

Congratulations!!!

 

[autopts]

Picked up this quest at a local auction today and thought I would add to the continuing post. , but I have a swap in mind.



Many of those C3's came with lockdown nuts, Depending on your work, swivels handles could not lock down the vise tight enough to the base to prevent vibration or slipping. With regarding a swap, remember that jaw style (600S type was made only a few years and discontinued a good while ago. That C3 you have is the most sought after. Its condition is next to flawless.

 

[Outlawmws]

oldldh: Glad to hear your surgery was successful!

 

[McBrownie]

About the time you were posting the photos of "The 5198", I was in the "Recovery Room/Intensive Care Unit" over in Mobile...

Ten days ago, I found out that I had a small (2.5cm) Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm...I had never heard of these things...

After a CT scan last Thursday, my Dr said my AAA was really "huge" (6.5cm), and he wanted to operate on me Friday morning...

(These things affect 20 to 30% of the males between 65 and 75 years of age...if it ruptures, the mortality rate is about 90%...mine was so big, I was really lucky that it was found...I could have dropped dead, at anytime in the last five years!!!)

The surgery involves making two four inch incisions in your groin, and inserting a stent/stents (I got three) in your Aortic artery...

To make a long story short---Surgery Successful, Oldie is back home, and recovering...

YEA!!!...HOORAY!!!---(If you are a smoker, and in the age window---GET CHECKED OUT!!!...at 0100 Friday morning, I became a "Former Smoker"...Motivation is wonderful stuff!!!)

And now on to important stuff...

BC you did a fantastic job on the 5198!!!

The color is "perfectissimo"!!!

Your collection "*****", maybe, now that my plumbing is fixed, I may try to emulate yours...

Put a---

YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!

On your report card...

I wish it had been cheaper and closer, I'd have had it, but it looks like it went to a good home, and got a "Proper Restoration"...

Congratulations!!!

Oldie,

Glad you caught that, gotten it taken care of, and are on the road to recovery. It's never too late to quit smoking and with the savings, you will be able to buy the next 5198!

 

[PavelK313]

Picked up this USA made old Craftsman vise 506-51810 for $25.

 

[bluebolt]

Weighed my Reed 8" 508. 18 pounds for the main screw, 58 pounds for the dynamic jaw and 73 pounds for the static jaw. Add a couple of pounds for the missing jaw inserts and you are right at 150 pounds.

 

[nine4gmc]

That's a monster, great score!

 

[jakemac]

Weighed my Reed 8" 508. 18 pounds for the main screw, 58 pounds for the dynamic jaw and 73 pounds for the static jaw. Add a couple of pounds for the missing jaw inserts and you are right at 150 pounds.

Congradulations ! You bought yourself a teenager..


... at least this one won't eat you out of house and home.

 

[jrobb316]

Picked up a Parker 974 and the Prentiss 20 today. I'm going to see if the wrench and adjustment nut are the same on this parker as my big bear service parker and hopefully make that one perfect. Otherwise I may send this one down the road. I now have 10 4 and 4.5 inch vises which is too many for me.

 

[drivesitfar]

Oldie: Damn i'm glad you are ok. that sounds like you just missed meeting your maker early. we have to get a Craftsman 519x on your bench before you do so happy to hear you are doing ok.

BB: I've never seen that model of an 8 inch Reed so nice find. keep us posted on the restoration and if you have time post it up on the vise repair 101 thread so others can see how you bring it to life.

Monte: happy to hear you like your big Leinen vises because i was thinking of putting my 150 Leinen on my home's garage bench. by the way i want to thank you for all the help you always are happy to give me and others on the tools of the old world thread. you are a wealth of knowledge and thanks for sharing.

 

[drivesitfar]

Tarnished: that Wilton C3 is probably the nicest vise Wilton made, but the swivel bases on them was a weak point. I've seen many of them broken and if i were you i'd bolt up all the holes in the base before using it on that stand so you have less of a chance of breaking yours. you have a great combo with those two vises in your shop and congrats on your purchase because that vise isn't easily found in that style and condition.

JRobb: nice find and now that you have too many vises in your mind maybe spiff up a couple to sell and start looking for a 6 or 8 inch 150+ pounder. that will slow you down a bit on purchases.

Autopts: the elves in the garage of yours keep churning out those nice big old US vises. very nice Morgan and with the pipe jaws too.

 

[jrobb316]

I'm not interested in anything under a 5" jaw now (unless I come across a rock island I want). That big bear parker of mine is a 5" so 6+" is really what I'm looking for. I guess I've never found one so it will be lots of window shopping.

 

[FMC1959]

About the time you were posting the photos of "The 5198", I was in the "Recovery Room/Intensive Care Unit" over in Mobile...

Ten days ago, I found out that I had a small (2.5cm) Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm...I had never heard of these things...

After a CT scan last Thursday, my Dr said my AAA was really "huge" (6.5cm), and he wanted to operate on me Friday morning...

(These things affect 20 to 30% of the males between 65 and 75 years of age...if it ruptures, the mortality rate is about 90%...mine was so big, I was really lucky that it was found...I could have dropped dead, at anytime in the last five years!!!)

The surgery involves making two four inch incisions in your groin, and inserting a stent/stents (I got three) in your Aortic artery...

To make a long story short---Surgery Successful, Oldie is back home, and recovering...

YEA!!!...HOORAY!!!---(If you are a smoker, and in the age window---GET CHECKED OUT!!!...at 0100 Friday morning, I became a "Former Smoker"...Motivation is wonderful stuff!!!)

And now on to important stuff...

BC you did a fantastic job on the 5198!!!

The color is "perfectissimo"!!!

Your collection "*****", maybe, now that my plumbing is fixed, I may try to emulate yours...

Put a---

YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!

On your report card...

I wish it had been cheaper and closer, I'd have had it, but it looks like it went to a good home, and got a "Proper Restoration"...

Congratulations!!!

Oldie, glad to hear that everything turned out OK

 

[jpickar]

Oldie, glad to hear that everything turned out OK

+1
John

 

[Gert]

Mr. Oldie, that AAA sounds really scary. But the fact that you are still with us proofs that you are built like the old vises in this thread. Built in the good old days to last forever. Hope you fully recover soon!

 

[drivesitfar]

All: i need a little help on this one. it's an Athol 81 and my brother in law has a lead on it and not much information. anybody have one or know how big it is? i'm guessing it is the earlier version of the 614, but not sure. it looks pretty clean for it's age and looks like it's sitting on an old table saw stand. any help is appreciated as always. thanks

 

[joe.striper]

All these 6" vises are within 100 miles of my house. $199 to 599.

 

[Outlawmws]

Nothing concrete here Drives, but looks to be a 4" maybe 4-1/2? If the bottom crank cinch is original, then that is at least 20's or older IMO, BUT: check to be sure that swivel base lock plate actually engages the bottom surface. not sure it is for that vise.

 

[72CZ]

All these 6" vises are within 100 miles of my house. $199 to 599.

What time ya leaving?

.

 

[zoomieport]

Get well soon Oldie!

 

[Tarnished]

Many of those C3's came with lockdown nuts, Depending on your work, swivels handles could not lock down the vise tight enough to the base to prevent vibration or slipping. With regarding a swap, remember that jaw style (600S type was made only a few years and discontinued a good while ago. That C3 you have is the most sought after. Its condition is next to flawless.

Thanks Autopts, As I was considering the bid, I wondered if perhaps the lock-down nuts were original. The rest of the vise didn't look touched, and I couldn't think they would just change out the lock-downs. Thanks for the insight. As for the swap, I was talking about swapping out the stand. I also have a 5" Wilton on a heaver stand, and I was thinking of swapping that stand for this one. Will post pics of stand.
Didn't know this vise was that desirable. What makes this style (600S) different from the other C3's? This one has a build date of 3-86. What were the years of production?

Tarnished: that Wilton C3 is probably the nicest vise Wilton made, but the swivel bases on them was a weak point. I've seen many of them broken and if i were you i'd bolt up all the holes in the base before using it on that stand so you have less of a chance of breaking yours. you have a great combo with those two vises in your shop and congrats on your purchase because that vise isn't easily found in that style and condition.

Thanks drives, I really like the bullet design, and now I have them from 3" to 6" Think I will stop at the 6", but still looking for the "Baby" I agree with you on the base being complete bolted down. As stated, I plan on changing out the stand with a larger stand, but I will have to make new top plates for the stand, as the mounting base bolt hole pattern for the 5" and the 6" are not the same. Grrrr... To me this vise is WAY to large to be effective on this stand. Thanks for the warning on the base plate. Need to do a little more research on the C3's.

 

[Tarnished]

Hang in there Oldie, Glad to hear your on your way to a "rest-o-ration"