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How To Make Sanitary Stainless TIG Welds

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Hey Guys,

When I started doing sanitary TIG welding, there weren't very many resources available to get me started. It's frustrating knowing the end result but not knowing how to get there.

Eventually I pieced enough clues together to get going, and finally was able to get consistent quality results. I consulted with a qualified welding engineer and inspector and that helped a ton. So I decided to make this little guide to get folks pointed in the right direction, if you're into this kind of thing.

Right now at work I'm making a flowplate for the brewery and had to make a jillion of these little ferruled elbows, so I photographed the process.

Here's what we start with, a long **** weld triclamp ferrule and a short tangent 90° elbow. These need to be **** welded together, and the weld has to be sanitary. These are 304 stainless steel and are 16GA wall thickness.




What is a sanitary weld, you ask? It's a weld that is 100% penetrated, and has a smooth face where it will contact product. This ensures easy and reliable cleaning and no crevices or oxidation to harbor bacteria and crud. This weld joint is very common in the food and beverage, pharmaceutical and dairy industries.

This is how I do these joints. There are other ways, and this is by no means the end all be all.

The first thing I do is set up my purge spool. This is just a piece of tube with two triclamp ferrules on the ends. This lets me manipulate the weldment while its being purged. I attach the argon hose to the cool end with a common compressed air fitting I've attached to a triclamp cap. There is a rubber gasket between the cap and the ferrule, held by a split clamp.





On the hot end, I attach the ferrule to the spool with one of these home made hot gaskets. Its just a piece of 1/8" stainless welding wire that I rolled into a loop. It takes the place of the rubber gasket but won't melt.







Next I tack on the elbow. How this is done is very important, because it will determine how easily and cleanly the joint welds. I hold the elbow perfectly flush, allowing no root gap, and as well lined up as I can get it. Any misalignment causes flow impediment and any root gap causes both potential air leaks in the purge and more finished part distortion.



I place 4 tacks approx. 90° from one another. These are run at the same amperage as the weld, but are done quickly, as to not penetrate into the pipe, because there is no purge yet. They are about .5" long and you need strong tacks otherwise they will break during welding.



Next I set up my purge dam. There are many ways to do this, and the fastest is just using painter's masking tape. However, this dam is too close to the weld, and the tape's adhesive will melt and make a mess if I go that route. Instead, I use aluminum foil held in place with a couple wraps of aircraft safety wire.



Argon purging requires a vent, so there is a place to exhaust the oxygen and other active gases from the pipe. The size of the vent is determined by the size of pipe, purge gas flow, pipe layout, and number of vents. We want a small enough vent to create a slight amount of positive pressure, but not so much pressure that the molten weld pool blows out. (been there, done that, it ain't pretty). The positive pressure ensures that atmospheric air doesn't creep in through any gaps, and it provides a cushion for the weld pool so it doesn't crater and collapse.

For something this small, an 1/8" hole is plenty. I just use a tungsten to poke a hole.



I set my flowmeter on my purge tank to about 15 CFH and let the pipe purge for as long as it takes. In this case, it only needs a few minutes, since it's so small. Longer and larger pipes can purge anywhere from a half hour to overnight.



I set the pipe on an angle. Argon is heavier than air, and we want the argon to push out any other gases. Put the supply at the lowest point and the vent(s) at the high points and you will get a good clean purge.



While the pipe is purging, I set up my torch. I run a #9 aircooled WeldTec torch with a 70° angle. I have it set up with a gas lens, a #6 cup, 1/8" ceriated tungsten and a medium length back cap. I like 1/8" tungsten for this becasue its more durable for the lift arc, and lasts longer in the field. Smaller diameters work just as well, its just a personal preference. I like the air cooled torch for this kind of work because it is very light and easy to manipulate. This is pretty low amperage stuff, so it stays relatively cool anyway. Plus they are cheap and easy to replace is they get broken in the field.



I like to use this CBN (cubic boron nitride) wheel to dress my electrodes. Its a wheel designed to sharpen tungsten carbide cutters, and makes a super clean point without generating excess heat on the tip, so no burned fingertips. Its by no means necessary, I used a buddy's and liked it so much I bought one. A standard grinding wheel or belt will do fine.


I grind both ends of my tungsten. I only keep ceriated around, so I don't need to fuss with color bands, and its the pits when you are in a tank or on a lift and need to sharpen tungsten. It pays to have as many points on you when you go in to make a position weld. I seldom contaminate so badly that it won't slide back into the collet. If it do, it just acts like a single point anyway, so I've got nothing to lose by grinding both ends.




I like to recess the tungsten into the cup quite a ways. This allows my torch angle to keep closer to optimal ensuring good penetration.



So, actually doing the weld is tough to photograph. I'll do my best to describe it though. In these kind of joints, it is preferred to walk the cup. This means you rest the ceramic cup right on the pipe and wiggle it back and forth and "walk" it along the weld. This enables you to get a consistent travel speed, arc length, and you can weld out of position without a prop. It takes some getting used to, but it works really well.

For these welds I take the spool out of the vise and close the vise jaws a couple turns. Then I rest the pipe in the gap between the jaws and rotate it with my left hand while welding with my right. This means I can do the whole joint in one go, and I can keep a consistent uphill welding position. The weld is autogenous, meaning no filler wire. This keeps introduced contaminants to a minimum, and since its 100% penetrated, the additional metal isn't required for strength.

Here's my machine panel for this weld. 36 amps with the lift arc enabled, no foot pedal or other remote. One of the trickiest things to learn is how to snap out of a weld without leaving a crater on the inside. The key is to increase speed and arc length at the same time and quickly walk out of penetration. Once out and there is no puddle, you can snap out of the arc without leaving a crater. In case you couldn't tell, I'm running a Miller Dynasty 200DX.

 
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Well, here is the finished weld.



I will clean the oxides off with a scotchbrite deburring wheel on a die grinder. It makes a nice smooth brushed finish, and is fast with no chemicals. If I need to, I can electo-acid clean the welds, or sand the welds smooth with a tube sander and blend it in. Not needed on these parts though. 3A dairy requires a smooth and almost shiny exterior, so any dairy work takes extra post weld finishing.

As you can imagine, photographing the inside of the weld is kind of difficult. I used my borescope, but the camera is less than stellar. Anyway, here's the inside. All tied in and no cracks or craters. Sorry about the crappy pictures.





Any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
 
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Awesome tutorial! I weld a bunch of this stuff in my previous job. I miss welding it. I was a Maintenance Mechanic at the Harley Factory in KC and we used this Sanitary tubing in our Paint Shop. Besides using Argon, we would sometimes use Solar Flux for backing protection. Thanks for posting this!
 

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Very cool, I love welding thin 304 tubing, but im not at this level!

Could you back up and explain how you get the tube ends flat and gap free? I use a 6" belt sander but I'm curious how you would do it. I think the gap free joint is HUGE when welding the thin stuff, at least for novices anyway.

Also, any pics of the tube sander you mentioned?
 

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That's great. Thank you.
How do hold the tubes together while you do the initial tack welds?
How can you tell when the purge is complete?
 

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How are you splitting the Argon?
How far are you able to make a pass?
What position do you start in?
How long do you sit in the starting position and what determines when it is time to start moving?
Thanks for going out of you way :thumbup:
 
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Very cool, I love welding thin 304 tubing, but im not at this level!

Could you back up and explain how you get the tube ends flat and gap free? I use a 6" belt sander but I'm curious how you would do it. I think the gap free joint is HUGE when welding the thin stuff, at least for novices anyway.

Also, any pics of the tube sander you mentioned?

So, the fittings are sold already squared. But if youre cutting tube the best way to get perfect cuts is to use a George Fischer saw. But they're like 8 grand.

I use a hardened cut block and a portaband in the field, and touched up with a file.
 
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That's great. Thank you.
How do hold the tubes together while you do the initial tack welds?
How can you tell when the purge is complete?

I hold the tubes by hand and feel for flush. If i get it wrong, I cut the tack with a hacksaw and try again. I've done enough of them, that they go really fast now. I almost never have to cut one apart.

You can do the math on the purge, calculate cubic feet, use your flow to get a rough idea then give it a bit. The best way is with an oxygen meter, but otherwise its an expierience thing, more than anything.
 
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How are you splitting the Argon?
How far are you able to make a pass?
What position do you start in?
How long do you sit in the starting position and what determines when it is time to start moving?
Thanks for going out of you way :thumbup:

If I can rotate the tube, I can do the entire weld in one pass. Otherwise, I start on the bottom and weld uphill, and do it in halves.

You learn to read the puddle and it tells you when you're fully penetrated. The puddle becomes more active and behaves differently. Again, an experience thing. When in doubt go slowly.
 

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That is some great welding, inside and out... I can only dream of welding that well. Thank you for a great tutorial.....
 

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The OP sounds a lot more experienced than me and I appreciate the sharing of his knowledge. I had to find ways to get the job done and there was nobody to show me so thanks much.

I used to use smooth 3/4 or 1" angle iron (or aluminum to not scratch it) to keep the sanitary tube squared up when I welded it. Once tacked you can extend it out so the weld doesn't contact the angle piece. I also had access to a lathe to square/ deburr the end pieces of the tubing. The fittings came squared.

If your at a weld table/ vise you can clamp it in vise and the lay the tube in it with the flange end sticking out just enough to let the tube portion sit squarely in the angle iron. You could tack and roll as OP said. Ground clamp to the angle iron

Btw, they also make clamps to hold these in position. If you do stainless tube welding in general for SS exhaust work etc..., check out this link.
. Forward to the part with the clamps...

Heres the clamps shown in video you can use to hold tubing in tough positions. Figure out what size you need. http://m.summitracing.com/parts/evt-2000ttwcs

I tried to get these for 1-1/2" sanitary tubing but they didn't carry that size "1-5/8 is smallest". Could always make them work though...

Sorry to OP, I do not mean to hijack your thread. Please post more pics and info. I have been away from this environment for a yr now. Love seeing it discussed.
 
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Outstanding work! you certainly have quite the talent and skill! thank you for taking the time to share and document your work. :drool::drool::drool:
 
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How did you get into this?....seems like a real niche market/skill?

I sort of fell into it by accident. I was doing a lot of work for a brewery, and they got pissed with their mechanical contractor and asked me if I could do sanitary welding. I said not yet, give me a couple months and I'll figure it out.

Worked out nice.
 
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dr_clyde

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How are you splitting the Argon?
How far are you able to make a pass?
What position do you start in?
How long do you sit in the starting position and what determines when it is time to start moving?
Thanks for going out of you way :thumbup:

Forgot to mention about splitting the argon. In the shop, I have a separate argon cylinder dedicated for purging. In the field I have a dual flowmeter so I only have to handle one cylinder. Smith makes a really nice dual flowmeter.
 

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Do you have any pics of that tubing sander or a link to one?

Thanks for the hardened block tip.
 
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Good stuff man., With all those welds to bad you didnt have space (and maybe access to) to use an orbital on it.
 

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Great to see this type of write up. Thanks for your insight on the process, I know how difficult it can be to hunt down an elusive process and it is much appreciated that you took the time to share.
 

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Thanks again for sharing and posting this.
I have done a lot of it and was taught by some of the best at someone else's expense. Worked for them and did this type of work heavily for 15 years.
12" disk sander and a poor mans cut off; 14" Tight Makita are some of the tools I used when the good stuff wasn't available but I did have the best, except that little belt sander:beer: Beer yes I have had a lot of free Kegs to the point I don't drink anymore.
 

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Thanks. I'll read this and use the info on my home brewery.

I have been back flowing with Argon on fittings in my brew kettles, but have never known exactly how to go about welding Sanitary Welds for tubing.

Cheers,

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Can nitrogen be used for purge gas?

I wouldn't. Nitrogen isn't inert, and causes some undesirable metallurgical conditions, including cracking along grain boundaries. Stick with argon, its cheaper than all the other inert gases and has predictable results.
 
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Why do you use ceriated tungsten over say thoriated?

I use ceriated tungsten because it has better arc stability on high amperage AC. Thoriated works fine for most things, but it gets kinda jacked up over 150 amps or so.

Not to mention inverter power sources can take better advantage of the cerium and weld AC with a point.

It's just easier to keep around one kind of tungsten so I don't have to keep track of what kind I'm grabbing.
 

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Spectacular job how-to
Can you elaborate on the difference in application between lift arc and and scratch start ?



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Spectacular job how-to
Can you elaborate on the difference in application between lift arc and and scratch start ?



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So, lift arc is a feature that miller welders have. It basically lowers the voltage until an arc is detected. That way the tungsten doesn't stick to the work when initiating an arc. It also controls the gas solenoid so you don't need a torch with a gas valve. Once the arc is initiated, the voltage jumps to welding voltage and acts normal.

Plain old scratch start doesn't start as cleanly, and the torch needs a valve.
 

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Nice post. I'm planning to branch into sanitary myself pretty soon. Lots of dairy work apparently. I'm mainly an industrial, nuke, boiler guy myself.
 

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This is awesome. At work we use orbital machines that do the welding. I cant imagine having to hand weld it. also we use clamps that are literally 2 small pieces of angle iron welded to a pair of vice grips. it works really well
 

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I don't TIG weld but you did a great job on the tutorial that makes me want to.
 

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Very nice write up.

I learned stainless a couple of years ago but I picked up some good tips from you on this. My only welding is for motorcycle exhaust but I still use a purge but with less flow than you.

My question is can I see the weld cleaned? When I was learning one of the things I struggled with was putting too much heat into the part. Instead of walking the cup I had more stick out and used a .7 or so pulse and would rotate the tube. I learned quickly that fit up is key and if it was perfect the welding was easy.

Anyway, your weld looks like it was hot - at least from what I was taught - because it's dark and lacks the color I was told was appropriate for the right heat. I'm certainly not saying you're wrong - I'm only a hobbyist - but I'm trying to learn more myself. Here's an example of one of my better welds.

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I'm getting full penetration and a smooth weld on the back but my technique is slightly recessed. Here's my purge setup.

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And the full exhaust that was my first real project. Some nice welds and some... not so nice. But since it's an exhaust I don't have to worry about passing a sanitary standard.

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So I guess I have a few questions actually. Why do you use lift arc? I've never tried that but sometimes getting the arc started it tricky as my welding table has surface rust that probably interferes. Next, why no torch control? I'm assuming you don't use a foot pedal because of the positioning on location. Also, does walking the cup leave a more smooth surface? If I were to grind my welds I'd end up with a small "trench" that might be a few thousandths deep where the bead is.

Anyway, thanks for the detailed write up. I'm always trying to get better and your info was helpful. I'm looking forward to trying your technique and I'd like to see the cleaned up weld as I suspect that my technique isn't the best solution.

Thanks,

Gregor
 
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