Makita vs Milwaukee 1/2 impact
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Do you mean the other way around? The Makita lists 325 ft/lbs and the 2763 lists 1,100 ft/lbs, am I reading this wrong?
additionally if the makita IS more comfortable, it sure does look gay doing it!http://www.makitatools.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=XWT04Z
kctyphoon
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very simple - they dont....
AlexNGreen
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Makita hands down. Used the piss out of mine putting up crane systems over the last 4 years. Every sub I run into is always impressed with the Makita.
That is a very vague statement, please elaborate.
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I can't kill my makida impact driver 3 years old i use it every day every piece of rubber is falling off nose cone is missing I just can't kill it I'll post pictures tomorrow lol
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I have the Makita 1/2" impact, and love it! While the 325 ft-lb doesn't sound impressive, with a fresh battery, it has taken off everything I gave it. Lug nuts torqued to 100 ft-lb zipped off in a split second, 21mm ball joint nuts broken loose on first try, it even busted loose pair of completed rusted shut 14mm exhaust studs on my 10 yr old car (that took a while, but I was too lazy to grab a torch when wedged underneath the car). I'm sure the Milwakee is great, but for me Makita sure gets the job done!
kctyphoon
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Very simple - the makita is a brushed motor that basically features "standard" torque ratings equal to that of its corded counterparts of almost any brands, milwaukee included. The 300 ftlb range is what every impact wrench delivers for basic industry, not necessarily aimed at the auto industry. It's meant to be the cordless counterpart to the corded models. (For Utility & construction) The milwaukee fuel on the other hand, is brushless, uses the same voltage and the "high torque" model delivers almost 3x what the makita does. It's is meant to be a direct competitor with otherwise "dedicated" auto industry impact wrenches in both the electric and pneumatic fields. Hence the reason milwaukee's own corded model is still in the 300 ftlb range, because they are not meant to be interchangeable tools.
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kctyphoon
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My milwaukee impact driver, that only rates at like 125 ftlbs takes off lugs without hesitation using a 1/4" hex to 1/2" square drive adapter.. It even removed the axle nut on my Honda crv with a fresh battery.
I'm by no mean calling the makita "inferior" in any way.. I've been very impressed with the few things I've been able to use from them. I'm just stating that the two impacts aren't really aimed at doing the same job. The corded electric makita chainsaw is the best electric on the market right now, and I have access to almost every other one made at my job.. I personally own 3 different electric saws, and the makita is the best built BY FAR..
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rancherbill
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I'm a Makita guy, but the Milwaukee specs on torque are way better. WHY?
They have the mode 1 and 2, so that implies they have a torque multiplier in the unit. On conventional torque multipliers you are not supposed to use impact tools. So Milwaukee has somehow made a gear train that can stand the abuse.
Does anybody know how?
They have the mode 1 and 2, so that implies they have a torque multiplier in the unit. On conventional torque multipliers you are not supposed to use impact tools. So Milwaukee has somehow made a gear train that can stand the abuse.
Does anybody know how?
kctyphoon
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i dont think you are correct.. the brushless tools have a/c motors in them.. the tools arent just a motor "without brushes". they are a complete redesign on how electric motors are made, and a substantial leap forward.. the different modes are differnent programming in the electronics.. thats why its just a push button instead of a mechanical slide switch like a drill switching gears..
rancherbill
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Brushless motor?
Makita makes brushless motors. Generically brushless motors have better power at a broad range of different speeds and have longer battery life. It does not make them twice as powerful.
You cannot change Maxwells equations. You cannot take a motor and supply it with electricity and get twice the power!
I looked for a minute six months ago and did not see an explanation on their site. I also did not see and statements that they had patented technology.
Makita makes brushless motors. Generically brushless motors have better power at a broad range of different speeds and have longer battery life. It does not make them twice as powerful.
You cannot change Maxwells equations. You cannot take a motor and supply it with electricity and get twice the power!
I looked for a minute six months ago and did not see an explanation on their site. I also did not see and statements that they had patented technology.
kctyphoon
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So if I give an a/c motor 10v, and then give the same a/c motor 20v- your telling me there won't be any difference? Anyway, here :
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/brushless-motors
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truckdriver
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If you doubt the power the Milwaukee and other new impacts are rated then here's some proof.
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The last sentence under the "Impact Driver" section explains what the difference roughly is.
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordless-tools/m12-fuel-drill-driver-and-impact-driver.aspx
So if I were given the Makita should I return it to get into the M18 line of tools? I only do automotive work and I think I would be most interested in the 2655 or the XWT02 due to the compact size. I rarely think I will need the 1100 ft/lb power working on Hondas and Toyotas but it would be nice to be able to step up to that tool if I find the need where as with Makita the most I can get is 325 ft/lbs.
I would base my opinion entirely on what other tools in the line you might want. Do you see yourself needing a 700ft/lb impact in the future? Do you see yourself needing any plumbing tools? Go Red. Do you want a super-compact impact driver? Something else in Mikata's line? There you go. But if all you see yourself needing is this one tool, I don't see enough difference with a 2655 to matter. Though the anvil on the B model 2655 looks pretty interesting...
Milwaukee is way better than Makita, I used my 2763 on rusted axle bolts that a 3/4 Air impact failed to remove and it took them off no problem. I also used it on a Lexus Crank bolt yesterday and it was zero effort. It is amazing tool. Only competition for the Milwaukee is Ingersoll Rand 7150 and the Snap On CT8850 and they are both way more money.
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Sounds like you might be an expert, so I will take your word for it.
All I see is an out of control marketing campaign from the various manufacturers preying on the ignorance of the consumer. We see marketing gimmicks every day....5HP shop-vacs, 5HP compressors, 5HP lawnmowers.
Where are all the manufacturers Youtube videos showing an approximate 1-1/4" nut being torqued to 1000 ft-lbs with a calibrated wrench, then nut being removed with a 1/2" impact gun (either cordless or pneumatic)?? It's never gonna happen.......ever!!
The manufacturers should be at least generous towards the consumer and post Youtube videos of their 1/2" impacts buzzing lug nuts off of semi trucks. They're only torqued to 450-500 ft-lbs, so it should be a piece of cake...right??
Where are all the manufacturers Youtube videos showing an approximate 1-1/4" nut being torqued to 1000 ft-lbs with a calibrated wrench, then nut being removed with a 1/2" impact gun (either cordless or pneumatic)?? It's never gonna happen.......ever!!
The manufacturers should be at least generous towards the consumer and post Youtube videos of their 1/2" impacts buzzing lug nuts off of semi trucks. They're only torqued to 450-500 ft-lbs, so it should be a piece of cake...right??
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They're both for wimps who aren't strong enough to drag an air hose.
Only the Snap On gun costs a lot more money. The Milwaukee is $429 and the W7150-K2 (2 batteries) is $419. Can't go wrong with any of these high-torque impact!
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Well.....I agree that every company needs to have some sort of marketing angle to say that they are better....but I would not call it "out of control" when it comes to the listed torque ratings of cordless impacts. However, it can be misleading --- since the torque specs WILL be different depending on the size/thread pitch of the fastener.
One example would be mode 1 on the 2763.....it says "up to 100-ft lbs".....everyone automatically thought "that is the perfect mode for lug nuts", but in real life it doesnt torque lugs above 50-60 ft-lbs --- with larger fasteners being able to achieve the 100 ft-lb mark.
There is absolutely NO standardized testing for impacts.....pneumatic or cordless or corded. While most manufacturers will use a combination of Skidmore-Wilhelm machines and/or bolts torqued with a calibrated torque wrench & then removed with the impacts (for breakaway ratings), others seem to live in a fantasyland where they invent numbers to impress people. I think that this is far more rampant with cheaper impacts (sub $100 range) than the well known brands.
You are correct though, MANUFACTURERS will not post real videos proving torque ratings by using torque wrenches on large nuts/bolts & then removing them.....but that doesnt mean I wont!
I am working on a test stand setup here right now that will prove/disprove torque ratings without a doubt & on camera.....by doing exactly that. all that button does is limit how fast it turns.... the same way that the trigger is variable speed...
i don't even know what to say lol... why would you instantly assume that the button is some sort of electronic gearbox shifter? there is nothing to imply that it is. you could take apart a gun if you owned one and see for yourself, the same way you can have a VFD operate a motor at a slower speed, you can do the same with the impact. you can pull the trigger in mode 2 and get it to turn at the mode 1 speed. its just easier to control in that mode.
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i've torqued L9 bolts to 1240 ftlbs with torque multipliers, and easily removed them with 1200 ft/lbs rated impacts... is there any reason to believe that the machines used to test these and put out torque numbers are innaccurate when being used across different name brands? not like they invent their own test to determine a number. and then you have to use that number loosely, it could be determined by using 1/2" fasteners, or by using 1" fasteners, both will receive different amounts of torque from the same gun.
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rancherbill
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Oh it's turned into sales material wars. While accurate that Milwaukee page is misleading!
10X times motor life???? 60% more torque? 4X the number of power generating components?????? wtf
Even the PM article link says they only get 25% more power.
If you pick the products to compare you can always win. Compare this Makita.
http://www.makitatools.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=XFD07Z
It has 1,090 in.lbs. of Max Torque vs 725 in-lbs for the Milwaukee - Clearly inferior.
Well.....I agree that every company needs to have some sort of marketing angle to say that they are better....but I would not call it "out of control" when it comes to the listed torque ratings of cordless impacts. However, it can be misleading --- since the torque specs WILL be different depending on the size/thread pitch of the fastener.
One example would be mode 1 on the 2763.....it says "up to 100-ft lbs".....everyone automatically thought "that is the perfect mode for lug nuts", but in real life it doesnt torque lugs above 50-60 ft-lbs --- with larger fasteners being able to achieve the 100 ft-lb mark.
There is absolutely NO standardized testing for impacts.....pneumatic or cordless or corded. While most manufacturers will use a combination of Skidmore-Wilhelm machines and/or bolts torqued with a calibrated torque wrench & then removed with the impacts (for breakaway ratings), others seem to live in a fantasyland where they invent numbers to impress people. I think that this is far more rampant with cheaper impacts (sub $100 range) than the well known brands.
You are correct though, MANUFACTURERS will not post real videos proving torque ratings by using torque wrenches on large nuts/bolts & then removing them.....but that doesnt mean I wont!
Look forward to seeing a consumer video posted. Should be very educational. I think it would also be good to record the actual time it takes to break the fastener loose. Thanks!
I used the 1-1/4" bolt and torque as a quick reference only. But as stated above, yes, the bolt size/thread spec/material all must be taken into account. However, torque is torque.
http://www.engineershandbook.com/Tables/torque.htm
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Oh it's turned into sales material wars. While accurate that Milwaukee page is misleading!
10X times motor life???? 60% more torque? 4X the number of power generating components?????? wtf
Even the PM article link says they only get 25% more power.
If you pick the products to compare you can always win. Compare this Makita.
http://www.makitatools.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=XFD07Z
It has 1,090 in.lbs. of Max Torque vs 725 in-lbs for the Milwaukee - Clearly inferior.
no one said that the makita drill wasn't a beast..... but the initial comparison was the impacts...
all oddball tool comparisons aside, i'm more interested in rancherbills observations of why he thinks the only reason it has a lot of torque is that the impact has some kind of torque multiplier in it...
edit: i'll add that i wouldn't mind torquing some large fasteners down to see where it sits, but my current workplace has no torque multipliers available, the best i'd be able to do is use a large impact rated at about the same to do the test with. so that may be the only option. the good news is they just purchased a bunch of dewalt 18v impacts, so that would be a nice comparison i think. but so far, comparing it to impacts i have at home rated at around 450 ft/lbs.. it's clear how much more power the cordless impact has.
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video of a guy removing lug with it on a semi, had them put on at a shop, so supposedly at least 600 ft/lbs.. not really a controlled test cause you don't see them putting it on. but hopefully you could trust a shop that works on semis to put the wheels on right.