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I received a USA Williams 3/4" socket set today. Opened it earlier and found the 1 9/16" socket to be a Snap On. It is missing the SO detent pusher pin that I have seen on them, the Williams just have a plain hole for the detent. Makes me wonder how they have their production line setup to get this "cross contamination". Sorry, no pics guys.
 
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LOL....Cheap merrikin imports. :bounce:
OH wait ! Williams is made in Taiwan. Did you discover a hidden Strap-On story ?
OMG mass chaos to ensue ! Strap-On now manufactured by evul Asianzzz and imported :scared::shocking::bounce::3gears:
 
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Pictures Please. JH Williams Has Two Lines Taiwan And USA And Is Snap-On Owned. Its Called Snap-On Industrial Brand.

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Glad to hear I'm not the only one that got a Snap-On socket in a Williams set. Definitely a nice surprise!:thumbup:

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Makes me wonder how they have their production line setup to get this "cross contamination".
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Watch the Snap-On Sockets "How It's Made" episode on Youtube, you can clearly see them rolling "Williams" into a socket on the line.

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A lil to much to drink? Or do you just not have a clue
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My money is on the latter.
 
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Ive heard this alot but never once seen it. Maybe one day somebody will take a pic. Congrats on your score tho!!:thumbup:
 
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Ive heard this alot but never once seen it. Maybe one day somebody will take a pic. Congrats on your score tho!!:thumbup:
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Posted this plenty of times before. This is straight out of the box. One of these is not like the others...
Actually it's identical besides the stamp.:lol_hitti
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seams alot of new members, been here for couple months thousands of posts all ****
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I bought a open/barely used williams USA 1/4" drive set a few months along with an unopened brandy new 3/8 USA set. Today was the first time i actually used the 1/4 drive set, and found that i recieved about 6 snappy sockets instead of williams, figured the P/O swapped them out but i guess not!
 
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I bought a open/barely used williams USA 1/4" drive set a few months along with an unopened brandy new 3/8 USA set. Today was the first time i actually used the 1/4 drive set, and found that i recieved about 6 snappy sockets instead of williams, figured the P/O swapped them out but i guess not!
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Jackpot:thumbup:
 
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just curious, since i dont own snap on or williams - whats the difference in the price between say a 3/8 socket set or a wrench set. if they are identical then is there a reason to buy the snap on stamped versions other than just the tool truck warranty? just seems like williams would be more poplular around here..
 
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kctyphoon said:
just curious, since i dont own snap on or williams - whats the difference in the price between say a 3/8 socket set or a wrench set. if they are identical then is there a reason to buy the snap on stamped versions other than just the tool truck warranty? just seems like williams would be more poplular around here..
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Williams 15 piece 5/16"-1-1/4" $226.82

http://www.toolsdelivered.com/Williams-WS-1172SCA-Hand-Tools-Wrenches-Combination-SAE-Sets

Snap-On Set, Wrench, Combination, 12-Point (14 pcs.) (3/8" to 1 1/4")
OEX714K $720.30


Williams set is priced through toolsdelivered.com and is honestly the first google hit, so you may find it for less. Snap-On set is priced from their website so YMMV on price depending on your Snap-on guy/girl.

The Williams ratchet B-52EHA is an excellent grunt type ratchet. 36 tooth, very smooth and solid as a rock. I picked one up when my CMAN RP gave up the ghost after 23 years and the replacement wasn't so great. First and only tool I immediately replaced when it was stolen. Usually right around $22-$25.
 
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kctyphoon said:
just curious, since i dont own snap on or williams - whats the difference in the price between say a 3/8 socket set or a wrench set. if they are identical then is there a reason to buy the snap on stamped versions other than just the tool truck warranty? just seems like williams would be more poplular around here..
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The metallurgy is different between the Snap on and Williams. Williams wrenches are softer when tested for hardness. Not sure on sockets.

Are Williams USA tools good? Yes. Are they as good as Snap On, IMHO, no. I also believe that SK and Wright are better than Williams in their strength.

I have older Williams wrenches that seem to spread, where as the Snappy's do not. Maybe they have improved the Williams hardness via heat treat and better steel in the 15+ years I have had my Supercombos. :dunno:
 
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Question: So why would SNAP-On (a 94 YO US Company) ever want to even remotely associate their name with these inferior products? SNAP-ON has always been a symbol of professional tools. Just asking. Leaky
 
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bob15 said:
The metallurgy is different between the Snap on and Williams. Williams wrenches are softer when tested for hardness. Not sure on sockets.

Are Williams USA tools good? Yes. Are they as good as Snap On, IMHO, no. I also believe that SK and Wright are better than Williams in their strength.

I have older Williams wrenches that seem to spread, where as the Snappy's do not. Maybe they have improved the Williams hardness via heat treat and better steel in the 15+ years I have had my Supercombos. :dunno:
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New Supercombos are a completely different animal than the old style. A lot changes in 15 years. They are in no way a direct crossover to Snap-On wrenches.

The metallurgy argument has been a constant, "I heard...", "My dealer said...", or "I got an email from customer service that said..." with nothing outside of internet speak to back it up, so take it with a grain of salt.

Leaky88 said:
Question: So why would SNAP-On (a 94 YO US Company) ever want to even remotely associate their name with these inferior products? SNAP-ON has always been a symbol of professional tools. Just asking. Leaky
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Nothing inferior about them, even the import Williams sockets are top quality (and as stated, also sold under the Blue Point name).

Snap-On slapping their name on cheap garbage Chinese gloves, flashlights and knives at Costco and O'reilly is a whole different issue..:willy_nil.
 
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My OCD made me order a Williams socket to replace the SO one they sent, it came in yesterday so I snapped some pics of them together for you guys.

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ihateminimumwage said:
The metallurgy argument has been a constant, "I heard...", "My dealer said...", or "I got an email from customer service that said..." with nothing outside of internet speak to back it up, so take it with a grain of salt.
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This is one argument that gets me going. If i had a lab close by to scientifically analyze the metals, I would do it. Testing a 1/4 snappy and a 1/4 williams supercombo, the findings would end it.
 
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Would have been funnier if you got a second Snap On socket instead of that Williams you ordered
 
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same tool, different chrome line. probably same ovens as well....

somebody send miskin a 13mm williams so it can be compared to the 13mm snap-on he got.
 
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Kracin said:
same tool, different chrome line. probably same ovens as well....

somebody send miskin a 13mm williams so it can be compared to the 13mm snap-on he got.
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Not doubting you or saying you are wrong in anyway, but a chrome line is a massive expense and EPA PITA, why would they have two?
 
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panknuckshovel said:
Not doubting you or saying you are wrong in anyway, but a chrome line is a massive expense and EPA PITA, why would they have two?
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Not saying two different lines completely, just different layering. The williams looks darker so it may not get the same bath in the line that the snapon does
 
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If it's to the point where actual Snap On branded products are arriving in the William's package, my money is it's the same exact product made at the same factory with a different stamp on it.

I'm sure the manufacturer and dealers will make all sorts of claims about different standards, but I don't really buy it.
 
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bob15 said:
The metallurgy is different between the Snap on and Williams. Williams wrenches are softer when tested for hardness. Not sure on sockets.

Are Williams USA tools good? Yes. Are they as good as Snap On, IMHO, no. I also believe that SK and Wright are better than Williams in their strength.

I have older Williams wrenches that seem to spread, where as the Snappy's do not. Maybe they have improved the Williams hardness via heat treat and better steel in the 15+ years I have had my Supercombos. :dunno:
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Are you a metallurgist? More importantly, are you a metallurgist that would have direct knowledge of this?
 
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TangoFoxTrot said:
If it's to the point where actual Snap On branded products are arriving in the William's package, my money is it's the same exact product made at the same factory with a different stamp on it.

I'm sure the manufacturer and dealers will make all sorts of claims about different standards, but I don't really buy it.
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I'd put money on it!:thumbup:
 
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Nice sockets :thumbup:. Might just be me but I don't think I've ever seen a chrome 3/4 Snap On without the button. :dunno:
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I noticed that too. My SO 3/4 stuff all has buttons. The detent bore on the SO looks like it is stepped so I'm not sure what happened there. Still perfectly useable and I would not have noticed if it weren't for already seeing SO in the past. The chrome looks the same in person.
 
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Are you a metallurgist? More importantly, are you a metallurgist that would have direct knowledge of this?
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Here is a copy of what i found in 2013 post I wrote:

"Williams and Snap On are not the same. The steel and heat treats are different. Check the Snap On and the Williams on a Rockwell tester and report back with the results.

**Hint** The snappy is harder. Our Chief Metallurgist did some testing a few years ago and found there are big differences. I re-tested a handful of wrenches a few months back and re-confirmed the results.

Snap On: C-scale 55 (288,000 psi tensile/Brinell 560)
Williams: C-scale 50 (253,000 psi tensile/Brinell 481)"

Thread it came from:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213584&highlight=williams&showall=1


Wrenches used:

15 or so old Williams Supercombos (made when full polish/chrome wasn't offered)

15 year old Snap On 4 angle wrenches

And my offer still stands with regards to testing sockets as I posted in the above thread.
 
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@bob15 I would like to know the difference, as do many others. I am no hater of either side. I have snap on and Williams sockets. I feel that testing two brand new tools would be a better indicator of strength. We don't know how the Williams sockets were made back then. Now we all think they were made on the same production line from the same steel. Additionally, I think that tests of multiple sockets of the same size would also be beneficial, because some could have slightly different characteristics, or be manufactured from a new roll of stock, or there was a flaw in the forming of the socket that could cause it to test differently.
 
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bob15 said:
Here is a copy of what i found in 2013 post I wrote:

"Williams and Snap On are not the same. The steel and heat treats are different. Check the Snap On and the Williams on a Rockwell tester and report back with the results.

**Hint** The snappy is harder. Our Chief Metallurgist did some testing a few years ago and found there are big differences. I re-tested a handful of wrenches a few months back and re-confirmed the results.

Snap On: C-scale 55 (288,000 psi tensile/Brinell 560)
Williams: C-scale 50 (253,000 psi tensile/Brinell 481)"

Thread it came from:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213584&highlight=williams&showall=1


Wrenches used:

15 or so old Williams Supercombos (made when full polish/chrome wasn't offered)

15 year old Snap On 4 angle wrenches

And my offer still stands with regards to testing sockets as I posted in the above thread.
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15 years ago, snap-on didn't own Williams. So yes, they would be different.
 
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15 years ago, snap-on didn't own Williams. So yes, they would be different.
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Try again. Snap On bought Williams in 1993....or 22 years ago.

My Supercombos are early vintage, same time frame as the Snappy's.

Send me tools (if you don't like my results) and I will try and test them. ....just don't expect me to pay for return shipping.
 
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