Vise and Grinder stands. I'm looking for ideas on how to use several in limited space

[Krr1967]

this is a very nice looking table

 

[Krr1967]

Drivesitfar asked me to post this here, so here ya go. Interchangeable head, accepts anything on a 2" hitch reciever. 1-1/8" plate for the base, 6" 3/8" wall square tube column. Link to the build thread here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274709

just wondering if the weight of what is mounted to this stand ever makes it unstable sence its mounted off center , its a nice looking stand though

 

[SeniorCitizen]

I've been running some thoughts, through my brain cells I have remaining, about a tripod stand similar to the Rigid pipe vise / threader stand.

This would allow 3 tools, a vise, grinder, buffer or sander etc. to be mounted and we would have more freedom of our feet at each station.

And to tax my thought cells even more, I be thinking of a taper system ( think similar to Morse taper ) that would allow a quick mount with no tools necessary and to dismount a drift would need to be devised. If need be stored out of the way and off of the stand this same taper system could be incorporated in a favorite storage area.

There is a huge drawback for me to actually build this system. My eyes won't allow welding anymore so my thoughts would have to stop on paper.

 

[logikal]

All: if you have grand kids or little kids this stand might be the one for your little 300 pound vise that stays outside. or one of these old 300 pound Hollands at the Railroad engine company on their 300 plus pound stands.

i think the vise the kids are sitting on has between 500-1000 pounds of cement that huge I beam is sitting in.

You have just shown me my next purchase!!!!! I NEED one of those massive Hollands vises.

 

[drivesitfar]

SC: maybe one of the members can weld your plan together for a little cash or what do you have to trade? i don't weld either (yet), but I'm thinking it won't be too long before i learn and start buying the equipment to do so.

Log: have you seen that picture before? or are your eyes that good where you saw the Holland's # 18 on the side of those vises. i think a couple members on GJ actually own those stands and maybe a few of those big Holland's. sadly i don't own an 8 inch vise yet, but one day i will own one.

 

[jeeps1]

A 70 lb Manhole cover and a craigeslist Columbian with small welding table.
I am also building a belt/disc grinder . I still need to build the tool rest for the disc grinder.
You don't realize how bad you need a belt grinder until you need one to build your belt grinder.

 

[drivesitfar]

Jeeps: very cool stand and is that little table connected? can you take a few more pictures from the sides and maybe underneath, because that one has a nice little twist to it I've not seen yet?

thanks for posting

 

[alan camby]

A 70 lb Manhole cover and a craigeslist Columbian with small welding table.
I am also building a belt/disc grinder . I still need to build the tool rest for the disc grinder.

Jeeps,
I like the idea of putting some kind of table on the stand with the vise. Seems there is always a need to set stuff down.

Looks like you have some KMG Beaumont parts in that grinder. I used their wheels when I built mine. Belt, Knife style, grinders are very handy. I use mine all the time. looks good

 

[jeeps1]

Added the pics. I seem to use the small welding table more than my bigger one.

 

[alan camby]

I built this table years ago and than at some point I decided to add wheels. When I added Wheels I was concerned about stability so I widened the caster mounting area at the bottom. I also cut about 4" off of the legs before I attached my caster mounts. I bolted the mounts on in case someday I wanted to change the work height.

I decided to use the table for my knife grinder.
I also have a 8" 3/4 hp Baldor bench grinder on the table. My former employer's safety committee noticed that the grinding wheels made sparks while metal was pressed to the wheels. This was deemed a fire hazard and they wanted the grinder out of the plant.
I have posted this Photo several times on GJ. This seems like another appropriate thread for it. Sorry but I don't have a good picture of the bench grinder on the opposite end of the stand.

 

[jeeps1]

Jeeps,
I like the idea of putting some kind of table on the stand with the vise. Seems there is always a need to set stuff down.

Looks like you have some KMG Beaumont parts in that grinder. I used their wheels when I built mine. Belt, Knife style, grinders are very handy. I use mine all the time. looks good

You are correct . Down loaded the plans from a web sight . All machined with a Chines drill press . With the 2 hp 220 motor its a metal eater !

 

[jeeps1]

Grinding metal with no sparks? That sounds productive.

 

[drivesitfar]

Jeeps: I've really been leaning to making hitch type mounts for my vises and grinders until i saw your stand. i really like that table mounted to the top of it and is it 1/2 inch thick and maybe 18 x 18 inches?

Like Alan i'm interested in your grinder and is it a kit or do tell how you made it? care to start a thread in the tool section on how to make an awesome grinder for your shop because i for one would love to own one.

thanks for the new pictures.

Alan: I just saw that you posted your grinder too. awesome looking machine.

 

[alan camby]

Drive,
mine is basically a GIB Grinder in a box. There is a set of plans that floats around the net.
Some guy is having them laser/plasma/? cut and selling the cut metal. I have not checked in awhile. Google "Polar Bear Forge" and they should have a tab for GIB.
I bought my cut steel from him.

Edit: People always think this is a cheap project. It is amazing how fast all the parts can add up. If you are a resourceful person it can me done on the cheap. I would guess I have $750 in mine. I stalked Ebay for a Baldor motor for example. There are youtube videos of guys building the entire thing out of square tubing if interested in a cheaper route.

 

[jeeps1]

Jeeps: I've really been leaning to making hitch type mounts for my vises and grinders until i saw your stand. i really like that table mounted to the top of it and is it 1/2 inch thick and maybe 18 x 18 inches?

Like Alan i'm interested in your grinder and is it a kit or do tell how you made it? care to start a thread in the tool section on how to make an awesome grinder for your shop because i for one would love to own one.

thanks for the new pictures.

Alan: I just saw that you posted your grinder too. awesome looking machine.

Its 3/8 cold rolled, 12x18, With 1/2" wall 3.5 " sq tubing . The vise grip clamp is very handy . Its very stable

 

[jeeps1]

Drive,
mine is basically a GIB Grinder in a box. There is a set of plans that floats around the net.
Some guy is having them laser/plasma/? cut and selling the cut metal. I have not checked in awhile. Google "Polar Bear Forge" and they should have a tab for GIB.
I bought my cut steel from him.

Edit: People always think this is a cheap project. It is amazing how fast all the parts can add up. If you are a resourceful person it can me done on the cheap. I would guess I have $750 in mine. I stalked Ebay for a Baldor motor for example. There are youtube videos of guys building the entire thing out of square tubing if interested in a cheaper route.

I used cold rolled for mine. I will find the link for the down load.
Not cheap but very rewarding .
I enjoyed the build so much I am in the market for a lathe and mill.

 

[drivesitfar]

Alan: I was thinking close to that since i have a new Baldor 3/4 hp single phase motor which should be enough power. i really like the belt systems like a Baldor or Burrking so i'll do some checking. i'll check out that link or website so i can compare the two plans. thanks

Jeeps: is your grinder a kit too or did you just make it off the plans? can you post the link for the plans or PM me with them?

 

[alan camby]

You can see a lot of the style of mr. Jeeps grinder by visiting the KMG grinder site. With is made by a company called Beaumount metal works. Most kits on the market copy the KMG design. When you see the prices you will understand why so many build their own

A belt grinder needs a lot more HP than a bench grinder. Mine is 1.5hp.
Most recommend 1.5 hp and I believe that 1hp is considered min.

 

[jeeps1]

Alan: I was thinking close to that since i have a new Baldor 3/4 hp single phase motor which should be enough power. i really like the belt systems like a Baldor or Burrking so i'll do some checking. i'll check out that link or website so i can compare the two plans. thanks

Jeeps: is your grinder a kit too or did you just make it off the plans? can you post the link for the plans or PM me with them?

This is the link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_e1p6D-UyycWHd2V0VMTFVJMDQ/edit

 

[drivesitfar]

Alan: thanks for the heads up. i do have an idea how much these awesome tools can cost, but they are amazing. i helped a friend buy a BurrKing about 5 years ago and wish i could afford a new one or find a used one again.

 

[jeeps1]

This is the link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_e1p6D-UyycWHd2V0VMTFVJMDQ/edit

I got a quick change chuck for my drill press made things much easier .

 

[jblnut]

These are not my pictures but I will be building something similar for my farm shop.

I plan to put 6 of these in the shop floor to be used for everything from winching something in to straightening frames to chaining things to the floor just because.

This is the mount I have for my old Littlestown 400 at my house. Simple and immobile.

 

[drivesitfar]

JB: those floor mounts with covers are awesome as is that wilton on it's stand. you probably need a vise in between your Littlestown and the big wilton for your new shop so start a little search or PM me if you might see something i own that i may or might not sell. i do have a few that i'm not going to keep as i get my shop and garage set up.

one thing you could do for your littlestown vise it put a little grease or oil on it's screw and then when cutting things on that or any vise put a damp towel or rag on the screw or slide to keep the shavings out of the inside of the vise and screw.

one vise you might look for that will work well in any farm, commercial shop or home's garage is a Wilton C2 and a Reed 2C that each weigh in the 80-100 pound range. not usually very cheap, but they will last a lifetime and then some if you don't use them as a press or anvil or put a pipe on the handle to get more leverage.

thanks for posting your cool stands and frame puller in it's hole with cover.

 

[Grinder Bill]

GB: interesting stand that is for sure. can you show more details and maybe tell us how you made the riser with wheels?

Simple frame, hinged at the back. The foot lever slides under a catch to keep it elevated. The trick to getting it to work correctly is to first shim the base to ride height then fix the components in place.

 

[alan camby]

These are not my pictures but I will be building something similar for my farm shop.

I plan to put 6 of these in the shop floor to be used for everything from winching something in to straightening frames to chaining things to the floor just because.

Now those are some awesome stands.

 

[drivesitfar]

GB: thanks for the interior picture of your design.

JB: the more i look at your Wilton vise stand you may not own i'm liking it. i would love to put those frame pullers that have double duty as vise stand holders in my new garage some day.

any chance your friend might have a before installation picture of that framing with it's cover before he put the cement on his shop floor. i have some idea how to make one, but want to see how that was made because it looks like you could do some serious tweaking on any frame or bending that is needed.

 

[Clik]

I had a bunch of auto body frame straightening pull pots in one of my shops. Handy for anchoring vises and stuff that you want to pull on. You can just core drill holes in existing concrete.


http://www.bodyshopbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/SmartProducts/120617PRODSprot_00000070108.jpg

 

[alan camby]

I clicked on a random page on the "vises of GJ" thread and saw a picture by Ritzblitz.

It is a style that I was trying to describe in one of my posts back. The large floor plate might make it a little more stable. It is the vise in the background

 

[Krr1967]

What does this table weigh ? looks like it will last several peoples lifetime really nice work and chraftsmanship

 

[alan camby]

What does this table weigh ? looks like it will last several peoples lifetime really nice work and chraftsmanship

Did he indicate the size of the plate on top?
Best way to get a rough estimate is to add up all the steel weights.

If that is a 4'x8' 1/2" plate, the plate alone would be about 650lbs

 

[alpinewhite]

Did he indicate the size of the plate on top?
Best way to get a rough estimate is to add up all the steel weights.

If that is a 4'x8' 1/2" plate, the plate alone would be about 650lbs

42 lbs per square foot of 1" thick steel is the number I use for calculation. Yes, the top alone is about 672 lbs.

 

[drivesitfar]

All: in case Kaz doesn't see us talking about his awesome table he posted my guess is it's a 1/2 or maybe 3/4 inch top that is 3 x 4 foot because that is just a 4 inch Athol vise. it still probably weighs at least 500 or more pounds.

i'm building two of these tables with a few modifications soon as i can get rid of the flu. i'm making a few modifications like a few clamp racks and might even make a shelf underneath. i'd also like to make a few hitch mounts for grinders and vises so can anybody tell me what size square steel tubes they used and is there a length i should keep them shorter than especially if i'm going to put my Reed 2C or Wilton C2 on them?

 

[alan camby]

Drive,
My square that is attached to vises is 2"x2"x 1/4" wall. The lenght of both tubes are 16".

The receiver on the bench is 2.5"x2.5"x1/4" wall. It is a very snug fit, which I like, don't let them rust. Put a thin coat of grease outside of 2"x2".
You are going to hate me when you make the receiver. The 2.5"x2.5" will have a weld bead on the inside called flash.
I use a long chisel to get most out than a aggressive metal file.
I can do it in about 20min but is a pain.
Or, you can go to TSC and buy a receiver tube, some bolt on and some weld. The fit will be much looser on the 2x2 tube.

I will measure the receivers I made. I would quess 8" long.

 

[alan camby]

Drive,
You can use 2x2x3/16 wall for the vise mount but the sharper corners don't fit unflashed 2.5"x2.5" as well

 

[drivesitfar]

Alan: is the PIA filing you mention from welding on the bolt for the tightening screw? i wonder if i have a little grinder bit on the end of a drill bit extension might get inside there or my small dremel. i don't mind filing if that is the best repair because it's good exercise sort of like using a cement mixer or using a hoe in a wheelbarrow.

thanks and if you think of anything else please post because you have an awesome set up.

it also looks like your C2 restoration is coming along nicely and since that might be one of the vises i'll be using on my welding bench if you can post a few pictures of it on your bench with any specs you want to share about the mount.

thanks

 

[alan camby]

Drive,
The pain is the welding flash from the manufacturing process. It is possible to order with flash removed from square tube but this is not normally stocked at a steel yard.

Picture from left to right.
2.5x2.5x1/4" next 2x2x1/4 next 2x2x3/16.

The the 2.5 in the picture has the flash (weld bead) removed , by me. The 2" does not need it removed but you can see it inside of the tube here. If this weld flash was in the 2.5 the 2" will not fit. The flash can barely be seen in the base of both 2" tubes in the picture.

 

[alan camby]

Here is the 2.5" tube (flash removed) with the 2"x2x1/4 inside. Here you can see flash inside of the 2x2 on the right side of tube. Once again, this is the weld that needs to go away on the inside of 2.5x2.5x1/4.

Note,
The small 2.5" holder pictured is just for storage of tools that are mounted on 2x2 tube. It is not what I would hold a vise in service with.

To add to confusion. Some will leave the flash in 2.5" tube and instead will mill a slot in the 2x2 to go around the flash.

 

[kazlx]

What does this table weigh ? looks like it will last several peoples lifetime really nice work and chraftsmanship

Did he indicate the size of the plate on top?
Best way to get a rough estimate is to add up all the steel weights.

If that is a 4'x8' 1/2" plate, the plate alone would be about 650lbs

All: in case Kaz doesn't see us talking about his awesome table he posted my guess is it's a 1/2 or maybe 3/4 inch top that is 3 x 4 foot because that is just a 4 inch Athol vise. it still probably weighs at least 500 or more pounds.

Sorry to leave you boys hanging...must have missed this.

The top is 5/8" plate and is roughly 40x70, if I remember correctly. It's an odd size because I bought a forlorn table off of CL just for the top plate. When I had it water jet, that's the biggest I could get it to get rid of some ugly torch cut holes and notches. The whole table was built from drops. The main posts are 5x5s, then then other parts are 4x4s and 3x3s. The receiver stock was frenched through the side beams.

It's about 1000lbs. I eventually want to add some storage to it and paint it, hence while it's still raw. I didn't want to paint it and then have to redo it.

 

[K Powers]

anybody have any experience with drop in or wedge anchors where the bolt can be removed and in reinstalled with no degradation? looking for something where I could leave the anchors in and just use the bolts to swap out stands

 

[drivesitfar]

KP: i have a stand where i use the bolt in the post to raise and lower the height that is a two piece arrangement. so if i took it out and put another grinder or vise in it's place with the same size 3 inch tube that should work. then you'd have gravity holding it in place and the screw could tighten it down. is that what you mean or do you have any pictures?

Kaz: I probably posted your table all over GJ more than i did Alan's, but they are both my favorites besides that white one i am going to build now that i own the materials.

thanks for seeing the posts. how's your table working for you and what's the biggest vise you've put in that hitch type holder?