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Hey guys, I've been learning a bit about New Britain and some of their associated companies or products made for other companies. I don't have alot - some sockets, ratchets, a few wrenches, but the quality and design! It seems to be very high quality, especially the chrome. Thought it would be fun to start a NB and related thread! I'm hoping mainly to learn more from this - I don't have a lot to say myself yet but hope to find some more vintage NB tools in the future! We can keep the Blackhawk stuff over in the Blackhawk thread, but might just make mention of interesting things here too for the NB era. - Paul
 
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My New Britain Combo set I'm working at completing with all 6 point NB wrenches, still missing a few, have a couple of other brands as fillers right now. I also have a 3/8" sparta set I need to take some pics of along with my New Britain 1/2" sockets.
 

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My New Britain No 58 1/2" x 12" breaker bar. What a GREAT tool! I'm assuming 70's vintage. One of the most comfortable tools I've ever handled. It's in my road box and gets regular use. Too bad it isn't longer.......but a great tool nonetheless.

 
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My New Britain Combo set I'm working at completing with all 6 point NB wrenches, still missing a few, have a couple of other brands as fillers right now. I also have a 3/8" sparta set I need to take some pics of along with my New Britain 1/2" sockets.

Nice! How have you found the NB wrenches to be? Similar to vintage SK or Williams or Craftsman? Better? Worse? - Paul
 
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This is maybe half of the NB made ratchets I have.
http://i.imgur.com/muFYePV.jpg

WoW! That is impressive! Can you tell us which is the "fine tooth" and "post Kilness patent design ones"? Are they all that and good to get or are some more desireable than others? And what other brands did they make them for besides NB itself? - Paul
 
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Looked in my tool box and thought of this wrench, don't know how old it is. I don't think I've got any other New Britain stuff but I'll look in my old boxes later. Sorry about how blurry the pic is, My camera takes crappie pics.

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Paul: I really like the feel of the NB wrenches, not sure they compare to Snap ON but much nicer then craftsman, comparable to the SK RPs and PROTO of the era. I have been used them as my gotos for the past 10 years until I bought a set of SK Superkrome wrenches. I have never broken any, and the coating has not chipped anymore then when I started using them. My Father had the combo wrench set as long as I can remember, and I probably lost a few of them when I was young working on bikes and small engines.

Just as a side note to anyone that is not aware Sparta was also made by New Britain as an economy line for NAPA?. as well as a few other store brand lines, I think HUSKY and MUSTANG
 
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Thanks Sam, that was my impression of my one or two NB wrenches too - like SK or Proto, high quality. Wish I had a full set of them, maybe someday! I also have a pretty full 1/2 shallow set of Mustang, very tough sockets! But the cadmium plating then was not so good. Anything Mustang these days is hard to find without rust. I'd say the Mustangs are alot like Wright or Indestro sockets from the past. I also have a few US Husky things too! A 3/8 set with ratchet and a few extensions and such. The Husky rachet isn't real fine tooth though and really reminds me greatly of an SK wrench from the era, almost interchangeable with SK. I'm wondering what NB did for rachets for the different brands. I know nothing about Sparta yet and only a little on the NB Napa. When did NB make Napa (years?) and what? When did they stop making Napa? Is all US Napa really made by NB or only some of it? - Paul
 

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If I'm not mistaken the NAPA tools where labeled NEW Britain, it was not until later that NAPA sold tools under it own name or Evercraft, they did retain the parts #s for some time after. Not sure when NAPA started selling NB but I think it stopped in the late 70s early 80s.

I was told by my local NAPA they would still warranty any New Britain tools, that was before Carlye became their premium brand, so I assume I would have been given COO China Evercraft stuff for my USA New Britain
 

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This is maybe half of the NB made ratchets I have.
http://i.imgur.com/muFYePV.jpg

WoW! That is impressive! Can you tell us which is the "fine tooth" and "post Kilcher? patent design ones"? Are they all that and good to get or are some more desireable than others? And what other brands did they make them for besides NB itself? - Paul

Post Kilcher? Assuming you mean Kilness patent - all those are the round head Kilness patent design. In a few brandings that offered both 44 and 60 tooth versions (Husky and Sparta for sure), the 44 tooth has "45" and 60 tooth has "43" as part of the model #. The Penncraft brand also offered both but used a four digit model # that differed for 44 and 60 tooth as well as regular and quick release models.

There are so many different brands that New Britain produced ratchets for at some point (or that used the Kilness patent after NB's demise) that it can be difficult to keep it all straight - think I'm up to around 29 different brands covering the early design (like Pumpman's Craftsman), Fors patent, and by far the most prolific Kilness patent.

There is another New Britain round head design that almost certainly predates the Kilness patent design:

(first pic)

Don't know what the patent # is, but it appears to not have lasted long once the Kilness design showed up.

My New Britain No 58 1/2" x 12" breaker bar. What a GREAT tool! I'm assuming 70's vintage. One of the most comfortable tools I've ever handled. It's in my road box and gets regular use. Too bad it isn't longer.......but a great tool nonetheless.



I'm thinking your breaker bar might actually be from the late 40's to mid 50's. Grip design looks very similar to the design on some Fors patent ratchets, although smoother around the grip - the logo/model # "bar isn't nearly as pronounced/raised as the ratchets.

Here's a shot from awhile back of some of my Fors patent ratchets, with the New Britain branded one on the bottom:

(second pic)

It's also the same grip design as the other "unique" round head pic above, which should put it around the late 40's/Fors era too. I've only seen a few post-Fors era ratchets that didn't have a knurled round grip (on a couple of "bargain" brands). Even the earliest Kilness round head New Britain and Blackhawk ones I have with the large/tall reversing cap have the round grip. One would assume that after changing from the Fors ratchet design to the Kilness ratchet design and to knurled round grip handles on said ratchets, that NB would carry that grip design over to breaker bars as well.

At any rate, a very cool breaker bar! :thumbup:
 

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I'd send these to somebody if they could use them for a collection. They're from my dad's set. I still use the box and sockets. They aren't pretty but you will get your money's worth.

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If I'm not mistaken the NAPA tools where labeled NEW Britain, it was not until later that NAPA sold tools under it own name or Evercraft, they did retain the parts #s for some time after. Not sure when NAPA started selling NB but I think it stopped in the late 70s early 80s.

I was told by my local NAPA they would still warranty any New Britain tools, that was before Carlye became their premium brand, so I assume I would have been given COO China Evercraft stuff for my USA New Britain

New Britain Machine's premium brand "New Britain" was sold exclusively through NAPA stores until NAPA made the switch to "NAPA" branded tools produced 1st by Moore Drop Forge, then Easco (when they bought up MDF), then Danaher (when they acquired Easco), until they dropped the "NAPA" brand in favor of "Carlyle". The last "NAPA" ratchets I've seen were produced overseas and appeared identical to "GearWrench" brand ratchets (also owned by Danaher). "Sparta" was reportedly the mid-range brand at NAPA while NB was premium, not sure what the mid-range was to the "NAPA" brand in the earlier days of MDF/Easco production, but the overseas made "Evercraft" eventually showed up to fill that need.

Actually, I might be off a little - Easco may have already scarfed up MDF before NAPA started selling the "NAPA" brand. Don't have the MDF buy-out dates handy, and could really use someone with old NAPA catalogs to check when "NAPA" tools started showing up...

And yes, NAPA retained much of the same part numbering system on the premium tools from New Britain through Easco/Danaher and maybe continuing today. Not sure on Carlyle as I haven't really paid attention...
 
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not worth showing a pic 'cause it's probably only 15 years old.
i have a NAPA 3/8 drive 20" extension pt# NB23.
i can only assume it's new britain.
i dont think i have any other new britain only tools any longer.
i do have a bunch of new britain made blackhawks
 
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New Britain Machine's premium brand "New Britain" was sold exclusively through NAPA stores until NAPA made the switch to "NAPA" branded tools produced 1st by Moore Drop Forge, then Easco (when they bought up MDF), then Danaher (when they acquired Easco), until they dropped the "NAPA" brand in favor of "Carlyle". The last "NAPA" ratchets I've seen were produced overseas and appeared identical to "GearWrench" brand ratchets (also owned by Danaher). "Sparta" was reportedly the mid-range brand at NAPA while NB was premium, not sure what the mid-range was to the "NAPA" brand in the earlier days of MDF/Easco production, but the overseas made "Evercraft" eventually showed up to fill that need.

Actually, I might be off a little - Easco may have already scarfed up MDF before NAPA started selling the "NAPA" brand. Don't have the MDF buy-out dates handy, and could really use someone with old NAPA catalogs to check when "NAPA" tools started showing up...

And yes, NAPA retained much of the same part numbering system on the premium tools from New Britain through Easco/Danaher and maybe continuing today. Not sure on Carlyle as I haven't really paid attention...

So are you saying then that anything labeled "NAPA" really isn't New Britain made? It was all "New Britain" if NB? When did this happen that New Britain stopped being sold directly as "New Britain" and when did it start? thanks! - Paul
 

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I have many of the New Britain made ratchets and socket sets. New Britain made tools for Napa, along with Husky, Blackhawk, MAC, American Forge, and Giller. The 60 tooth ratchets were the earlier design, they then went to 45 tooth. 60 tooth will be a little harder to find, but not that hard. They made thousands of them, many have survived. I might have to get the camera out to take a picture of my collection.
 

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New Britain made tools for Napa, along with Husky, Blackhawk, MAC, American Forge, and Giller.


As well as...

None Better
Mustang
Sparta
Husky
Craftsman
Penncraft
Precision-Bilt
Champion
Filson
Bluegrass
Fairmount
Billings
Matco

...and probably others I can't think of right now!
 

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As well as...

None Better
Mustang
Sparta
Husky
Craftsman
Penncraft
Precision-Bilt
Champion
Filson
Bluegrass
Fairmount
Billings
Matco

...and probably others I can't think of right now!

They were a big time company. Seemed to make tools for everyone. Then they fade out of existence in the 80's and its closure in 1990. It's one of those things that make you wonder how they fell that fast. It would seem Litton didn't know how to run a tool company.
 

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I have many of the New Britain made ratchets and socket sets. New Britain made tools for Napa, along with Husky, Blackhawk, MAC, American Forge, and Giller...


As well as...

None Better
Mustang
Sparta
Husky
Craftsman
Penncraft
Precision-Bilt
Champion
Filson
Bluegrass
Fairmount
Billings
Matco

...and probably others I can't think of right now!


You can add to the brand list:

Crescent
Litton
NBM
OTC
SP 45
Thorsen
"unbranded" (marked "USA" only)

Also, taking a SWAG that a limited number of Kilness design ratchets were produced either by National Hand Tool when they acquired the remnants of New Britain after the liquidation, or by Stanley briefly after acquiring NHT:

Master Mechanic
JS
Proto Challenger

Finally, I also think that the early Vlchek ratchets were made by New Britain - the design/construction just screams New Britain to me, although the only other ratchets I've seen/have just like them are early Craftsman, probably just prior to the more common NB-sourced Craftsman "club" that's identical to New Britain, Husky, and None Better ones (the ratchets that got me started on this obsessive road to ruin :willy_nil). That's just my opinion though.

That would be 29 brands...
 

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Powderkeg, you are a wealth of knowledge my friend. That's why I turned to you with a ratchet question that time. And lbgradwell you are a true historian. Some of my favorite posters you guys.
 

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So are you saying then that anything labeled "NAPA" really isn't New Britain made? It was all "New Britain" if NB? When did this happen that New Britain stopped being sold directly as "New Britain" and when did it start? thanks! - Paul

At least as far as ratchets go, yes. Don't know exactly when NAPA dropped New Britain and switched to MDF/Easco for the "NAPA" brand. I bought a new stubby 3/8" drive NAPA ratchet in the mid/late 80's. Alloy Artifacts says at least mid 1970's. Would help if anybody has a cache of old NAPA counter catalogs...

Hey Powderkeg, your post was an *explosion* of good information! So, I meant the Kilness patent, which I understand is an upgrade over the earlier SK rachet designs. Looks like I need to find some of those 60 tooth count versions! How rare are they? - Paul

I wouldn't necessarily say an upgrade over SK's design, as the Kilness design is completely different. That, and the SK design is still being made today (almost 75 years after the patent was granted) by the latest owner of the SK brand, with essentially little to no changes :thumbup:. Both are well proven and reliable designs, with the Kilness design probably dying off due to old worn out tooling that Stanley didn't want to re-invest in since they had other (simpler) round head designs (another IMHO). I'll take a Kilness over a SK most any day, although that's only because I curse that stiff-as-all-get-out SK lock ring whenever I break one down to clean it up...

They were a big time company. Seemed to make tools for everyone. Then they fade out of existence in the 80's and its closure in 1990. It's one of those things that make you wonder how they fell that fast. It would seem Litton didn't know how to run a tool company.

Yup, the once-mighty New Britain Machine fell pretty fast :sad:
 

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At least as far as ratchets go, yes. Don't know exactly when NAPA dropped New Britain and switched to MDF/Easco for the "NAPA" brand. I bought a new stubby 3/8" drive NAPA ratchet in the mid/late 80's. Alloy Artifacts says at least mid 1970's. Would help if anybody has a cache of old NAPA counter catalogs...

I have a NAPA/New Britain catalog from 1974. That is the latest I have, still advertising New Britain. It also show my favorite Kilness design ratchet, the Qwik Release.

I have to say for reliability, New Britain had some stout ratchets. I have bought many of them, I have yet to have one that needed a new repair kit. They seem to hold up remarkably well.
 

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I posted this in the other New Britain thread. Can anyone tell me about this set.
 

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I posted this in the other New Britain thread. Can anyone tell me about this set.

What it looks like is a None Better 177 Hex set. Made in the teens to the 30's. Its similar to the set that is on the Alloy Artifacts New Britain page. I don't think the flat ratchet and adapter was part of the set. Early New Britain tools.
 

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I have a NAPA/New Britain catalog from 1974. That is the latest I have, still advertising New Britain. It also show my favorite Kilness design ratchet, the Qwik Release.

I have to say for reliability, New Britain had some stout ratchets. I have bought many of them, I have yet to have one that needed a new repair kit. They seem to hold up remarkably well.

Cool! Narrows it down a little better. I have yet to get a New Britain branded quick release model - have 'em in Husky, Penncraft, and American Forge, but no NB :sad:
 

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Cool! Narrows it down a little better. I have yet to get a New Britain branded quick release model - have 'em in Husky, Penncraft, and American Forge, but no NB :sad:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]I will have to look, I don't know if I have a New Britain quick release:eyecrazy:. I know I have them in Blackhawk, Husky and Penncraft[/FONT]. I have got good at fixing the release mechanism. Seems to be a weak link on these ratchets.
 
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