CwazyWabbit
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A very nice job, he and you should be proud 
The VISES of Garage Journal
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oldldh
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CRTDI---
Your Boy, Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
FYI----
The "Vise Vice" is expensive, frustrating, confusing, diametrically opposed to almost all forms of logic, and something you really need to get into...
Start out looking for 5"+ old American or European Iron...
And then go unicorn hunting...
It doesn't hurt as much as a root canal!!!
Your Boy, Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
FYI----
The "Vise Vice" is expensive, frustrating, confusing, diametrically opposed to almost all forms of logic, and something you really need to get into...
Start out looking for 5"+ old American or European Iron...
And then go unicorn hunting...
It doesn't hurt as much as a root canal!!!
jakemac
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It doesn't hurt as much as a root canal!!!
Sure it can. You can drop one on your foot, or throw your back out while making your getaway.
joe.striper
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topop101
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For 75.00 bucks I picked up a post vise today. If I had a clOO how to do it I would post some pics. It has the markings "W.T & FC". It has a chamfered leg. I read that it may be mid 1800's imported from England. Any one have any info on the markings
drivesitfar
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CRTDI: all those negative things you mentioned about your son's vise and i didn't see that vise in the pictures. were you talking about a different vise because that grey Dunlap looks ready to work again?
JRobb: interesting vise and I can't say I've seen one like that before. since I've seen so many broken anvil type vises over the years i still wouldn't use the anvil portion of that vise so it will remain unbroken and looking cool. use an RR track for cold steel pounding. that anvil isn't made like a hot steel anvil with a rebound, but like i said it does look pretty cool.
Joe: hope you get inside that old factory and get to see and buy one of those machine gun vise mounts. bring that big kid of yours to help because it does look fairly heavy.
JRobb: interesting vise and I can't say I've seen one like that before. since I've seen so many broken anvil type vises over the years i still wouldn't use the anvil portion of that vise so it will remain unbroken and looking cool. use an RR track for cold steel pounding. that anvil isn't made like a hot steel anvil with a rebound, but like i said it does look pretty cool.
Joe: hope you get inside that old factory and get to see and buy one of those machine gun vise mounts. bring that big kid of yours to help because it does look fairly heavy.
I have no intention of going to town on the anvil. I have a crappy import for that stuff if I really want to swing a hammer. If that breaks I won't shed a tear I think this RI 231 was maybe a blacksmith vise of some sort? Either way it's in very good condition. I'm willing to bet the paint is original too, or what's left of it.
I think this RI 231 was maybe a blacksmith vise of some sort? Either way it's in very good condition. I'm willing to bet the paint is original too, or what's left of it.Outlawmws
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:hitit: 
Outlawmws
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I have no intention of going to town on the anvil. I have a crappy import for that stuff if I really want to swing a hammer. If that breaks I won't shed a tear
I't's actually intended as a shop or homeowners vise, but for say flattening out light sheet stock, copper wire and the like, (meaning very light use) its great. I'd LOVE to find one of those, esp. the Parker version...
This^, and if you're a lurker, you have probably already been bitten by the vise bug
rmalkow2
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Power Kraft or something similar.
Outlawmws
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Wards PowrCraft, Light shop/mechanics vise. Not a bad vise, but if its a long drive, I'd pass.
Start out looking for 5"+ old American or European Iron...
Agree. There are plenty of 3 - 4.5 " vises all over. Anything 5" or greater begin to get difficult.
My latest find.
Athol 615 $100
This is not your average 615. The handle is shorter than the 624 1/2.
The predecessor to the 615 was the #93. I think this vise was built in the transition phase. Mostly a #93 with a #615 label.
It's a 30 min drive, but she just added pictures of an anvil. So I'm going to look at that.
I't's actually intended as a shop or homeowners vise, but for say flattening out light sheet stock, copper wire and the like, (meaning very light use) its great. I'd LOVE to find one of those, esp. the Parker version...
Makes sense, thanks. I picked it up because rock island is one of my favorites and they are hard to find. A parker would be cool too, both are probably pretty rare. I'm pretty happy with it. On Sunday im going to check out a coach makers vise. Don't know the brand but the guys been holding it for me for a week. I'll have to buy it regardless just because of that, with a nice tip if it's good.
When Athol move away from those unidentifiable number to something that can make sense to the buyer. They did a few things.
1.) The last number is now the jaw size
2.) new version use a 90 degree angle on the vise so the user does not have to cut a hole
3.) new versions use a spring and cotter pin on the thread bolt.
Changes in Vise Number
This is what the #93 looks like. (not mine)
Notice the angle on the base. User will have to cut a hole on the table.
it was good for them to remove this annoying feature.
On the one I just bought. It has it too.
No spring on this vise. It uses this piece.
Between the 624 1/2 (green) and the 615. The ball is about the same size
I took some measurement.
615 dynamic jaw is 18" in length.
614 1/2 is 16 1/2"
615 slide is 3" x 2"
624 1/2 is 2 7/8" x 1 7/8"
615 handle length is 12"
624 1/2 is 12.5" <- strange indeed
More pics of 615
Funny how the seller said no welds, breaks, bla bla bla. When I arrive I see
The 610 models usually don't have the model number on the dynamic jaw
1.) The last number is now the jaw size
2.) new version use a 90 degree angle on the vise so the user does not have to cut a hole
3.) new versions use a spring and cotter pin on the thread bolt.
Changes in Vise Number
This is what the #93 looks like. (not mine)
Notice the angle on the base. User will have to cut a hole on the table.
it was good for them to remove this annoying feature.
On the one I just bought. It has it too.
No spring on this vise. It uses this piece.
Between the 624 1/2 (green) and the 615. The ball is about the same size
I took some measurement.
615 dynamic jaw is 18" in length.
614 1/2 is 16 1/2"
615 slide is 3" x 2"
624 1/2 is 2 7/8" x 1 7/8"
615 handle length is 12"
624 1/2 is 12.5" <- strange indeed
More pics of 615
Funny how the seller said no welds, breaks, bla bla bla. When I arrive I see
The 610 models usually don't have the model number on the dynamic jaw
Yep, same vise. He put a bunch of hours into it. Spent lots of time with a hand file on the anvil area. JB weld on the jaw to fill in the gashes. And a whole bunch of time with some Mother's polish.
I think he left just enough of the battle scars where it still retains some character. The pics come out as a bit grey, but the color is actually a light satin green.
He appreciates all the compliments. Thanks, guys!!
xxaler
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My creation, saw it somewhere and replicated. SS quick release handle from old gymnastics equipment. Was going to make the foot bigger, but I think it's enough for what I do. Plus it's going to be bolted through a piece of 1/4" ontop of 2 layers of 2x6.
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Outlawmws
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Tritonus, that "annoying feature" is a key support for the dynamic jaw support. When you have seen a few dynamic jaw supports broken off, you will understand why it's there better...
econotrk
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This thread provided me with many days or reading and I'm finally caught up. Whew! I'm going to look at a Craftsman 5191 that appears to have much of it's original paint although a bit rusty on the slide. Jaws are very nice, looks to have been used very little. Only thing I see wrong is it's missing one of the lead screw handle knobs. Asking price is $75, thinking I can work him down a bit. I really like the 51xx series and this is the only one I've seen for sale.
joseph.a.owens.9
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OK so I was about to make a thread on a vice I have found. I was wondering if I should pull the trigger on my Craigslist find.
The guy wants sixty for the vice. But its 45 min away.
The guy wants sixty for the vice. But its 45 min away.
Mark in Indiana
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^^^NEVER!!! 60$ for a Chinese homeowner vise...NO! NO! NO!
454ragtop
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Where are you located? I'm sure a member could hook you up with a better vice than that for $60. Hell, could probably mail you one.
Jim
Jim
joseph.a.owens.9
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Garnett ks ....I really don't need a big as I'd probably wouldn't use it all that much. More of a want then a need.
Mark in Indiana
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Joseph: You are in a place where there is a lot of vise expertise. Last year, I bought a couple of Chinese vises like yours for 3$ each. I flipped them for 30$ each. They were much cleaner than the one that you pictured above. For <60$, you can go to the big box store and buy a new Chinese vise or a vintage American Iron vise if you're patient and check the used tool sections of CL & other areas.
Mark in Indiana
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econotrk: I'm assuming the C-Man 5191 is a woodworking vise. That being said, I wouldn't give more than 25$ for it, unless you absolutely couldn't live without it. Although it's a quality vise; it's small, has issues from your description, and they just aren't popular enough to bring a high value (imho).
joseph.a.owens.9
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Well I'll have to keep my eyes open. I really don't know what to look for in a vice. Any one thing I should look for does or don'ts?
dutchgray
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Won this Woden 3 1/4" on ebay and went and picked it up, got the military crow's-foot / broadarrow and 1957 stamped into it.
View media item 47528View media item 47529View media item 47530Was not cheap and the jaws are narrow but its nice, Weighs 17kg or about 38lb.
View media item 47528View media item 47529View media item 47530Was not cheap and the jaws are narrow but its nice, Weighs 17kg or about 38lb.
McBrownie
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Dutch,
I don't know if you are familiar with the BBC show "Wheeler Dealers", but that looks like the vise that Ed uses in his shop. That is one stout looking vise and I really like the quick release.
dutchgray
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I do watch wheeler dealers but have not noticed Edd's vice, I will look out for it, it does have a lot of metal in it for a 3 1/4" jaw width slide is 2 3/8" across, opens out to 4 1/2".
CwazyWabbit
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Looks very similar to the parkinsons no 6 I picked up the other day.
First off, made in USA or Europe. Some Japanese vises are good.
Second get something with a covered screw. Exposed screw vises ae usually on the low end.
Third look it over CAREFULLY. Look for any welds, excessive wear on the main screw and other damage.
sz0k30
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Start off by reading the 1200 pages
of this thread. It'll give you all the info you need.drivesitfar
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Econ: i rarely disagree with Mark, but in this case i need to say that if the Craftsman 5191 you are looking at doesn't have any cracks, welds or missing parts to keep it from working then $75 is a good buy. that is one of the 519x series Craftsman vises that most of the members like a lot.
can you share any pictures of the one you are looking at? i had one that is now on another member's bench and i don't think he'll ever sell it. only reason i didn't keep it is because i already own a little bigger 5196 and 5197. that 5191 is a stout little 3 inch wide jaw vise that should last you for years if it's in decent shape. here's a few pictures of the one i owned.
can you share any pictures of the one you are looking at? i had one that is now on another member's bench and i don't think he'll ever sell it. only reason i didn't keep it is because i already own a little bigger 5196 and 5197. that 5191 is a stout little 3 inch wide jaw vise that should last you for years if it's in decent shape. here's a few pictures of the one i owned.
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dutchgray
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Yep but all British vices pretty much are copies of each other.
There's a bigger Woden like mine on Ebay at the moment for £100 ish.
Mine was 15miles away so I had to go for it, there is not so many to choose from down south. I don't have a Parkinson yet, or a Paramo so still got things to look out for.
drivesitfar
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Dutch: nice Woden vise and i didn't know that they made a quick release version too. do you like the Woden's, Parkinson's or the Record's quick release better or are they the same design?