IIRC some of the older Athol and others used a jaw coupling/dog clutch type hub that allowed the handle to be repositioned at any angle after the vise was tightened. A common example of this would be love joy couplings. Not sure if that one has it or not, but I know I have seen them before on some OLD vises. Given the large diameter of the screw end I think that one probably has that 'feature'.
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IIRC some of the older Athol and others used a jaw coupling/dog clutch type hub that allowed the handle to be repositioned at any angle after the vise was tightened. A common example of this would be love joy couplings. Not sure if that one has it or not, but I know I have seen them before on some OLD vises. Given the large diameter of the screw end I think that one probably has that 'feature'.
ganymede
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That's it. Patent # 1,012,226 by Laroy Starrett.
If you take it apart it looks like the very first ratchet adapters made by Snap On.
Outlawmws
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OK the Starrett Pat. is dated 1911, Which came first? 
jakemac
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The Egg.
wmr, your Monarch almost looks like it was converted to use on that base plate. does it have one or more nubs to engage the plate? Hmm, I don't see any holes in the vise flange... Maybe it's a plate from a different vise?
Hey Outlaw, thanks for the comments.
I'm pretty sure I t's original, everything seems tho match and there is a single nub cast in the vise body that engages the slots in the base.
It seemed like a neat design idea until I tried to find a good place to mount it. That's when I understood why that idea never caught on.
Cheers,
Tyler
GETRIDAONE
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I have a Athol 711 3 1/2" with the odd handle. You have to pull the handle out to disengage the teeth. There is a spring in it so it takes some effort and tends to bind a bit so you have to pull nearer the center. The Pat. date is stamped on the knob Dec. 19 1911 http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3478159&postcount=11264
I missed bidding on a 2 " one last week on E Bay. It ended @ 11:00PM, I forgot about it and went to sleep.
The final bid was like $90.00
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firemanast
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Finished my granddad's vise and yes the dynamic jaw is cracked. I am not going to be using it. It is for display only.
jdeck
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Recently picked up this 5 1/4 Craftsman Vise off ebay.
va.grouseman
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Hope all my fellow vise enthusiasts up there in New England are well prepared and braced for Mother Nature's furry.---And all the people in that area for that matter.---Looks like She picks on yaw a lot here lately.---My thoughts and prayers will be with you all.---Probably won't be to much shop work going on up there for the next few days.
topop101
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Can any one tell if I can use an all steel tank to set up an electrolysis soak if it is set up on a rubber mat?
ganymede
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Thank you !
My Wilton is the only one who needs help with the cold and is now dressed accordingly. ...
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WhoWhatNow
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I'm sorry but my vise is calling your vise names. It grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
oldldh
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Any snow shovelers---
Take your time, be careful...
Stay warm...
Take your time, be careful...
Stay warm...
ganymede
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I'm sorry but my vise is calling your vise names. It grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
The poor thing. At least get it a small tarp or cheap grill cover.
TreePointer
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I'm sorry but my vise is calling your vise names. It grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
Do you leave the vise out all year long? If so how does that work out? Any preventative measures you need to take? I've wanted to do that, and did for a while with my post vise, but honestly the scrappers worry me more than anything.
Outlawmws
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I'm sorry but my vise is calling your vise names. It grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
Not sure which is worse, the snow, or the damp under a cover...
drivesitfar
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TopPop: in theory i guess you could use a steel tank. some have used old cast iron tubs but it tends to eat them up. as long as you don't short it out and put the parts either hanging in the tank off of wires attached to a wood stick it should work. i'm planning on using a plastic storage container that Costco sells for $10 and just using rebar or scraps for the anodes. check out this thread if you have any questions which covers a lot of them.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237752&highlight=homemade+electrolysis
ALL: anybody have one of these ratcheting handles that Athol had on their vises? how does it work?
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237752&highlight=homemade+electrolysis
ALL: anybody have one of these ratcheting handles that Athol had on their vises? how does it work?
WhoWhatNow
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It is a very old 5" Prentiss that had a hard life. It has the standard crack down the center of the slide, the jaws are worn smooth, there is a ton of play in the dynamic jaw and every surface is deeply pitted. It was actually the first vise I purchased because of all you people. I had planned on selling it after I acquired a few more much nicer vises (vices) but I couldn't let it go. I wire brushed the rust off and gave every surface except the inside of the main nut and the screw several coats of primer and paint. Since there is so much play between the dynamic slide and body the paint actually tightened it up a little. In inside of the slide and main body were coated with a thick layer of marine grease. It is bolted to a 3/8" plate which is welded to the 1/4" X 3" square tube which is set 2' into the ground and cemented in.
She makes a great working vise for the really messy jobs I don't want to do inside the shop. This spring I want to run air and bring the electric closet to her so I can take full advantage of its remote location.
I had only been in place since mid summer but the marine grease has done its job. Every few months I plan on re-coating it with grease and touching up any chipped paint.
She makes a great working vise for the really messy jobs I don't want to do inside the shop. This spring I want to run air and bring the electric closet to her so I can take full advantage of its remote location.
I had only been in place since mid summer but the marine grease has done its job. Every few months I plan on re-coating it with grease and touching up any chipped paint.
Recently picked up this 5 1/4 Craftsman Vise off ebay.
Good score! I've got one just like it that I picked up a couple years ago at a garage sale. I was VERY happy to get it for $10, how did you do?
While I'm here I'll try to post a few more pics of my other vises:
Repaired Wilton bullet:
Bridgeport swivel base with re-purposed handle - I think it's from an old wood stove - it was "temporary" but I've been using it for 15 years!
Olympia from Eagle Hardware - the only vise I've ever bought new - Circa 1995:
Another shot of the Monarch:
WhoWhatNow
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Do you leave the vise out all year long? If so how does that work out? Any preventative measures you need to take? I've wanted to do that, and did for a while with my post vise, but honestly the scrappers worry me more than anything.
I was slightly concerned about scrapers but this is a quiet neighborhood and strangers are quickly noticed and frequently questioned. Small town.
That said I did use Allen head bolts and lock nuts to make it a little more difficult to easily remove.
topop101
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Good deal. When I get my dip tank set up I'll post some pic's. I have 29 vise's waiting
drivesitfar
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TopPop: yes please post up pictures on the electrolysis thread when you get the tank set up and start cooking those vises. so tell me (us) how does a new member acquire 29 vises or did you buy an old member's collection? any pictures of your vise family before you start the restorations?
torqueman2002
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During a recent swing through the Steel City for a Craftsman Block grinder (or 2), I picked up some extra shop tools, one of which is this small vise.
So, what is it? Any ideas?
So, what is it? Any ideas?
alan camby
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Another shot of the Monarch:
That is a interesting table. Are they connected with the tubes? If so, is there a story why?
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alan camby
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Awwww, isn't that cute. Someone knitted a vise cozy.
They make some kind of rust suppressing sock looking thing for riffles. I would like to have something like that for my Wilton 500 that lives in the damp pole barn.
Outlawmws
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During a recent swing through the Steel City for a Craftsman Block grinder (or 2), I picked up some extra shop tools, one of which is this small vise.
So, what is it? Any ideas?
Colten pat. Vise :
George A. Colton patent holder, No. 320,224. Patented June 16, 1885.
Examples marked H&B, "Inmarks" and unmarked exist.
ganymede
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It doesn't really 'ratchet' in the way we would all think, like a 3/8 drive handle for sockets. The hub and the screw are seperate pieces and each has lugs milled into them. When the lugs in the hub are engaged with those on the screw, turning the handle will move the slide in or out just like a regular vise. When you pull on the the hub the lugs will disengage and the handle can still rotate but the slide will not move.
Awwww, isn't that cute. Someone knitted a vise cozy.
after the storm clears I'll take it sledding.It's a slide-out extension. It's a piece of I beam with a couple of pipes welded to it. Slightly larger pipes are welded to the table and act as receivers.
I didn't build it but it comes in quite handy for longer work, drilling or flame cutting. There's a bit of unintentional "stiction" from tube misalignment that actually works well as clamp.
Scroll back a page or two and you can se it in a different pic for better perspective.
ganymede
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Not sure which is worse, the snow, or the damp under a cover...
I never pulled up a grill cover and had condensation, but I guess it might be a problem depending on where you live.
That said if I did have an outdoor vise it'd be covered with paint n greased up well.
Outlawmws
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Sorry, fast moving thread!
Yes it will work (with or without the rubber mat...) HOWEVER, the process will gradually eat away the tank.
Are you thinking a steel oil drum or the like? thin and what happens when it leaks? Think about that.
Got a truly heavy tank you can use? Go for it BUT plan on occasionally hanging something sacrificial in the tank and reversing polarity to clean it... (And how to drain it...)
topop101
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I have collected awhile. I just never mess around on computers much. Found this site looking for parts. I have a buddy that will machine parts for me when I can afford it. When I get some of them grouped up I'll post them up. It's pretty cool to find a group like this where thoughts are shared. Some of the pic's on here are REALLY nice. I found an appreciation for vises after buying a new craftsman many years ago. The first one I bought at a farm action and when compared the two I was "in aw". The craftsmanship put into the old ones , The working condition they built them in. Their legacy left behind deserves nothing less than respect.
topop101
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I was considering a piece of 24 " ....1/4 wall pipe and welding a base on it with wheels. I had thought of welding a ****** in with a ball valve ? I have a 3/4 stainless valve that I took out of my hot water tank when I went to a tankless system. Your thoughts?
Just go get a plastic barrel. Much easier, cheaper and safer in the long run.
Outlawmws
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Leave the SS piece out of it. Go get a cheap plastic valve. Use a black pipe ******, not galvanized... Put the drain maybe 3-4 " above bottom so it doesn't get plugged with sludge.
NEVER use SS, or plated parts for anodes, (in this case your tank) in an E tank setup.
topop101
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topop101
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Great advise as usual. Thanks.