Outlawmws
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Sure, if you fill it full of sawdust first... clean it out or dedicate a small one.
Heck they are wet/dry, put some water in the tank.
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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT The 12-Gauge Garage
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Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.
Sure, if you fill it full of sawdust first... clean it out or dedicate a small one.
Heck they are wet/dry, put some water in the tank.
OP
I've thought about putting an elbow there, at least. I guess the advantage of having all those tools together is that it would simplify a vacuum system. I'd just need some place to put the cannister.
The sander is the thing that generates the most debris. But it's not easily rigged for a vacuum.
The sander is the thing that generates the most debris. But it's not easily rigged for a vacuum.
Outlawmws
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It may not be the most convenient, but if it's plumbed, you can hook up only when you use them, or get a 1 gallon job and use that.
The belt sander just needs a tray, under it connected to the vac hose, and you can probably add a connection to the disc sander lower housing.
The belt sander just needs a tray, under it connected to the vac hose, and you can probably add a connection to the disc sander lower housing.
alpinewhite
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Speaking of dust from a sander, have you tried throwing some into your fireplace?
OP
That's something I'm thinking about.
Today, I got the home-made ID plate for the front of the thing. As you can see, it's printed onto an aluminum plate. The fine white print on black didn't come out very well. If I did it again, I'd use bolder type so the black wouldn't bleed in. But for a garage, it'll do fine.
If you read carefully, you can see my 'custom' warning text.
And here it is, ready for some use:
Today, I got the home-made ID plate for the front of the thing. As you can see, it's printed onto an aluminum plate. The fine white print on black didn't come out very well. If I did it again, I'd use bolder type so the black wouldn't bleed in. But for a garage, it'll do fine.
If you read carefully, you can see my 'custom' warning text.
And here it is, ready for some use:
sean Buick 76
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Awesome, I love it...
Outlawmws
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That's something I'm thinking about.
Today, I got the home-made ID plate for the front of the thing. As you can see, it's printed onto an aluminum plate. The fine white print on black didn't come out very well. If I did it again, I'd use bolder type so the black wouldn't bleed in. But for a garage, it'll do fine.
If you read carefully, you can see my 'custom' warning text.
Love the label mod!
Ksullivan
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I think the label is a great addition!
Shadowdog500
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Looks like you have grinders for every job. I'm up to three myself.
I've been doing online research the last few days on different dust collection systems for my Baldor grinder and have seen vacuum systems on a lot of units. There are also a lot of comments that it will start at fire, but I havent seen anything about an actual dedicated bench grinder dust collector fire. When I saw the Baldor dust collection system (shown below). It made me wonder how many grinder fires actually happen since the stuff is discharged into a bag.
Here is a non vacuum dust collector I found on a grinder that I may try to copy with a large ammo can. My dad used two olive oil cans sitting behind the discharge of his bench grinder for years and it worked fine.
Chris
I've been doing online research the last few days on different dust collection systems for my Baldor grinder and have seen vacuum systems on a lot of units. There are also a lot of comments that it will start at fire, but I havent seen anything about an actual dedicated bench grinder dust collector fire. When I saw the Baldor dust collection system (shown below). It made me wonder how many grinder fires actually happen since the stuff is discharged into a bag.
Here is a non vacuum dust collector I found on a grinder that I may try to copy with a large ammo can. My dad used two olive oil cans sitting behind the discharge of his bench grinder for years and it worked fine.
Chris
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Denwood
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Well, I can tell you from personal experience, that it's pretty easy to start a fire with a grinder, in my case a hand held one. The object of combustion was a pair of overalls.
Coincidently, I was wearing them at the time.
Learned to make better choices in work wear after that. Jack, the "easter egg" label is about perfect in my book
Coincidently, I was wearing them at the time.
Learned to make better choices in work wear after that
. Jack, the "easter egg" label is about perfect in my book
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BBChevro
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The new grinder looks great Jack, I love the "custom" label. 
Craptain
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I love the label on your block grinder. Is that template available?
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softailgarage
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Uh oh, looks like Jack has contracted Blockhead Fever. Nice job,I like it, nothing fancy, but clean. Nice job on the tag too!
Tim The Tool Man
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In my shop I was able to modify my more modern el-cheapo grinders for dust collection. The shop is more of a woodworking shop but I do do a modest amount of metal work and fabrication. So when I originally laid out the shop I plumed my dust collection system to each of my bench tools and my grinders. In hind sight I realized it wasn't well thought out plan because once I used the grinder with the vac system running and saw all those sparks getting sucked away all I could think of was hot metal sparks and fine saw dust probably don't mix so good! I have since set the hoses up to be temporarily attached to my shop vac as needed.
Anyhow, I really wanted to show how I initially achieved successful dust collection with the grinders. I hope this picture illustrates how I cut some holes in the back of the grinder side guards and used some PVC pipes, elbows, and tees to collect the dust. I scavenged an old vacuum cleaner hose from the side of the road on a garbage day to complete the connection.
Anyhow, I really wanted to show how I initially achieved successful dust collection with the grinders. I hope this picture illustrates how I cut some holes in the back of the grinder side guards and used some PVC pipes, elbows, and tees to collect the dust. I scavenged an old vacuum cleaner hose from the side of the road on a garbage day to complete the connection.
shortykorte
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That's something I'm thinking about.
Today, I got the home-made ID plate for the front of the thing. As you can see, it's printed onto an aluminum plate. The fine white print on black didn't come out very well. If I did it again, I'd use bolder type so the black wouldn't bleed in. But for a garage, it'll do fine.
If you read carefully, you can see my 'custom' warning text.
Is this a printed decal put on aluminum or printed directly on stock? Great ideal on the fine print.
OP
I'll check with the guy who originally made it. If it's okay with him, I'll link a copy.
Is this a printed decal put on aluminum or printed directly on stock? Great ideal on the fine print.
It's printed directly on aluminum. Details:
I got it printed by Bay Photo. Including shipping, it was about $15 -- which is steep relative to the cost of a second-hand grinder, but cheap considering how much the faded decal would have bugged me over the years.
It's a 4"x4" print with 1/8" rounded corners, printed with a gloss finish on aluminum. (Google how to get a 25% discount on your first order, if you use them.) Here's a link:
http://www.bayphoto.com/metal.../sin...and-prices.htm
I used the same type of metal print for the replacement Wilton ID plate I made for one of my vises.
But in that case, I just printed the stuff on a larger sheet and cut it out, which didn't work as well.
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Trey T
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Awesome mod to the name plate. I would like a template for print as well, Jack!
Fast914
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Tim, I was looking at your Slat Grid in your post....I bought some as well....mounted to the wall on my garage to better store rakes, shovels, trimmers etc.
I could not see how you hung your tools from your post....can you show a closer pic of what you are using for attachment. Much thanks, Grant
I could not see how you hung your tools from your post....can you show a closer pic of what you are using for attachment. Much thanks, Grant
Tim The Tool Man
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shortykorte
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Many thanks for the label info. hopefully I will find a block grinder, etc at swap meet.
OP
The guy who did the block grinder ID plate artwork agreed to let me share it with people. Unfortunately for most of you, it's in Adobe Illustrator format and requires some specific typefaces to be installed in your Mac computer for it to work. Obviously, that's a problem for just about everybody. But I think I can work out a kind of form where a guy can submit a request with the information they want on it and I can email them a high-resolution file that they can then get printed out as a decal or a metal plate or whatever they can figure out.
Give me a few days, and I'll see what I have in the file in terms of logos and such and I'll try to present some choices, and then I can make up some labels for anyone who wants them.
Give me a few days, and I'll see what I have in the file in terms of logos and such and I'll try to present some choices, and then I can make up some labels for anyone who wants them.
OP
An announcement: today my garage won the 'small category' award in Classic Motorsports' 'Show Us Your Shop' contest.
slik560
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Well, KUDOS....again.
FlyOverStateFarmboy
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I don't think your garage can even lose in any type of contest cuz it's just so perfect. Congrats!
Congrats!TAMPAGT07
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I don't think your garage can even lose in any type of contest cuz it's just so perfect.
It's gotta be the paint.... Jack uses a special green subliminal paint.... When you stare at the paint long enough you will see beautiful naked women... The judges don't even realize it, but they are drawn to Jacks garage becasue they are ***** bastards... Hell, that's why like it too...
BBChevro
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Congratulations on the win Jack.
rixtrix1
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An announcement: today my garage won the 'small category' award in Classic Motorsports' 'Show Us Your Shop' contest.
Never a doubt in my mind, Jack. You've just about got it nailed.
Duker
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I need to put my garage projects aside and make a road trip to meet Jack personally so that I can see the garage up close because if this keeps up pretty soon I will be standing behind the velvet rope, ticket in hand waiting for the tour that is only open from 8:00 to 3:00!!
Congrats Jack!.
OP
Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Thanks, guys.
I'm going to move a thread I posted elsewhere into this one -- archive it here.
I recently moved a C0 detector out to my garage, and I've been surprised at how quickly the levels go up when I run my car's engine, even for a few minutes, with the doors closed and the fan off.
For all of you who have closed windows and/or god insulation for the winter, make sure you think twice before running an engine or heater without monitoring C0 levels.
Here's a video:
My car does not have a catalytic converter, which makes the situation worse.
Concentration (parts per million) Symptoms
35 No adverse effects within 8 hours.
200 Mild headache after 2-3 hours of exposure.
400 Headache and nausea after 1-2 hours.
800 Headache, nausea and dizziness after 45 minutes; collapse after 2 hours.
1000 Loss of consciousness after 1 hour.
Source: U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Thanks, guys.
I'm going to move a thread I posted elsewhere into this one -- archive it here.
I recently moved a C0 detector out to my garage, and I've been surprised at how quickly the levels go up when I run my car's engine, even for a few minutes, with the doors closed and the fan off.
For all of you who have closed windows and/or god insulation for the winter, make sure you think twice before running an engine or heater without monitoring C0 levels.
Here's a video:
My car does not have a catalytic converter, which makes the situation worse.
Concentration (parts per million) Symptoms
35 No adverse effects within 8 hours.
200 Mild headache after 2-3 hours of exposure.
400 Headache and nausea after 1-2 hours.
800 Headache, nausea and dizziness after 45 minutes; collapse after 2 hours.
1000 Loss of consciousness after 1 hour.
Source: U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
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67carl
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
591 after 2 minutes?!
Was your door down and the engine running or was it up?
Sometimes I'll open the big door, start my car to warm it up (the Camaro) then go back inside for a few minutes. When I get ready to go back in the garage I usually take a deep breath, hold it then quickly into the garage, into the car then out into the driveway. It's noxious in there even with the door up. Can't imagine what the levels are.
I also installed a gable vent fan above the door and put a timer on it. Nice to have if I'm working in the garage and can vent fumes (car and others) out. There's a man door on the opposite side. When it's open and the fan is on it's a mini wind tunnel.
591 after 2 minutes?!
Was your door down and the engine running or was it up? Sometimes I'll open the big door, start my car to warm it up (the Camaro) then go back inside for a few minutes. When I get ready to go back in the garage I usually take a deep breath, hold it then quickly into the garage, into the car then out into the driveway. It's noxious in there even with the door up. Can't imagine what the levels are.
I also installed a gable vent fan above the door and put a timer on it. Nice to have if I'm working in the garage and can vent fumes (car and others) out. There's a man door on the opposite side. When it's open and the fan is on it's a mini wind tunnel.
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
This is a 400 sf garage with the door closed. I have a fresh air fan in the ceiling that's very similar to yours, but thought it would be interesting to see what would happen with no efforts to reduce carbon monoxide levels.
This is a 400 sf garage with the door closed. I have a fresh air fan in the ceiling that's very similar to yours, but thought it would be interesting to see what would happen with no efforts to reduce carbon monoxide levels.
laser3kw
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Hey Jack
your observations are in line with my recent situation.
My concern started with a lively discussion in the heater forum about using propane construction heater or bullet heaters and the threat of CO build up. That was the reason I purchased a CO detector. I confirmed that even running my construction heater for 5 hours at 30k btu the level approached 12ppm. That was a relief.
But, the unexpected thing was when I fired up a snowblower to check out. Running an engine indoors during the winter is something that has been done forever, even in repair shops. Most guys that work around engines know of the danger of running them inside and normally will take appropriate measures like cracking the door open, running exhaust fans, tail pipe hoses out the door.
What you video demonstrates is a number associated with time. Most never have that correlation, including myself.
I now check the number on my CO detector if I run an engine at all in my shop, with door open or not, Just to be aware of the level and when to "air it out" or just quit for a while. My CO detector took a long time to shut up after I quit for the day - even after I opened the overhead door for several minutes. Another important piece of information - it doesn't clear out as fast as you think.
Thanks for posting an important heads up.
Hey Jack
your observations are in line with my recent situation.
My concern started with a lively discussion in the heater forum about using propane construction heater or bullet heaters and the threat of CO build up. That was the reason I purchased a CO detector. I confirmed that even running my construction heater for 5 hours at 30k btu the level approached 12ppm. That was a relief.
But, the unexpected thing was when I fired up a snowblower to check out. Running an engine indoors during the winter is something that has been done forever, even in repair shops. Most guys that work around engines know of the danger of running them inside and normally will take appropriate measures like cracking the door open, running exhaust fans, tail pipe hoses out the door.
What you video demonstrates is a number associated with time. Most never have that correlation, including myself.
I now check the number on my CO detector if I run an engine at all in my shop, with door open or not, Just to be aware of the level and when to "air it out" or just quit for a while. My CO detector took a long time to shut up after I quit for the day - even after I opened the overhead door for several minutes. Another important piece of information - it doesn't clear out as fast as you think.
Thanks for posting an important heads up.
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Strouty
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Now we all know what happened if Jack turns up dead.
Now we all know what happened if Jack turns up dead.
Dick in Wisconsin
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Dumb question ...
We just bought a motorhome with a diesel generator and a diesel boiler (Webasto). We have a fire/smoke alarm, but no carbon monoxide detector.
Where should a carbon monoxide detector be mounted? High near the ceiling? or low near the floor? Or doesn't it matter?
We will be buying a Kidde CO detector before our next trip!
Dumb question ...
We just bought a motorhome with a diesel generator and a diesel boiler (Webasto). We have a fire/smoke alarm, but no carbon monoxide detector.
Where should a carbon monoxide detector be mounted? High near the ceiling? or low near the floor? Or doesn't it matter?
We will be buying a Kidde CO detector before our next trip!
laser3kw
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Get a CO detector with a readout. Those will show the level changing even before it sounds the alarm. I would get two one for the front and one for the rear. hang them at shoulder level. Co is near buoyant, it neither rises nor falls in air (correct this if inaccurate - it is what I was told).
Get a CO detector with a readout. Those will show the level changing even before it sounds the alarm. I would get two one for the front and one for the rear. hang them at shoulder level. Co is near buoyant, it neither rises nor falls in air (correct this if inaccurate - it is what I was told).
p_mori7
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Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Your generator & Webasto exhaust to the outside.
Your generator & Webasto exhaust to the outside.
OP
Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
I have also been told that there is no 'most effective' height for a C0 detector. What matters is that you have one.
Today I was doing a quick oil change on my BMW, and I decided to do a comparison test. Warming up the engine after the oil refill, I ran the car for 6 minutes on the lift with the doors closed and the fan off. The C0 level was zero when I started, and remained at zero for the entire 6 minutes.
I had warmed the car up before the oil change, so the catalytic converter was arguably doing more good than it would have from a cold start. But it does speak to the efficiency of catalytic converters at diminishing carbon monoxide.
I have also been told that there is no 'most effective' height for a C0 detector. What matters is that you have one.
Today I was doing a quick oil change on my BMW, and I decided to do a comparison test. Warming up the engine after the oil refill, I ran the car for 6 minutes on the lift with the doors closed and the fan off. The C0 level was zero when I started, and remained at zero for the entire 6 minutes.
I had warmed the car up before the oil change, so the catalytic converter was arguably doing more good than it would have from a cold start. But it does speak to the efficiency of catalytic converters at diminishing carbon monoxide.
Re: Winter Warning: Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
Good reminder for all. Thanks Jack.
Most "dirty" culprits likely snowblowers, lawnmowers, and 2-stroke for say a chainsaw.
Cheap insurance to have a detector in garage as well as house.
Good reminder for all. Thanks Jack.
Most "dirty" culprits likely snowblowers, lawnmowers, and 2-stroke for say a chainsaw.
Cheap insurance to have a detector in garage as well as house.